building a PC and I have some questions...

[botfly10]

I'm excited for you man. Love picking out parts and building pcs.

I have been toying with the idea of water cooling just because I want to plan and build it. If the shit wasn't so expensive, I'd do it in a second.

 

[ytsejam]

I've been eying the In Win D Frame Mini:

 

[ytsejam]

This is what I am considering:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tR8YZL

(this setup swaps out my 1tb SSD from laptop)

A bit much or just right?

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

This is what I am considering:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tR8YZL

(this setup swaps out my 1tb SSD from laptop)

A bit much or just right?

If you have that much money to spend I wouldnt settle for a 4 thread cpu, go with an i7.

Wish, I could simply make things easy by doing that. I find myself flipping to the other side again having watched a number of vids where all four cores of an i5 are being maxed out by recent games while 8 core amds only hit around 75%, at most, on the first core and are under 50% on the rest. Plus a number of recent games have actually listed 8 core amds as the recommended cpu. My gut is still telling me that having more weaker cores going forward will actually put the fx chips ahead of the faster intels when it comes to gaming. From the beginning i felt amd was the way to go but then I kept seeing people recommend intel instead so I started second guessing myself and now Im stuck going in circles. On the one hand an 1150 build will offer an upgrade to an i7, but for a whole lot more money which by the time I would upgrade 12 cores will be the norm lol, whereas on the other hand the fx chip might be all you need for far less. Or hell, I could go 6300 for now oced to a 6350 and still have an upgrade path available to an 8 core fx if need be... and in the end that would still only cost about 50 bucks more than the i5 out the gate. but it is old tech.

shit, one minute im all hyped up for an intel build, then a fx, then an intel, so and and so forth...

just go i7 jam.

 

[botfly10]

Thats how they get you man, lol

I think there is a lot of bullshit around cpu's bottle necking games tho. Also, with your setup, I think you are going to be hitting the limit of you gpu before your cpu anyway. And keep in mind that you can always turn settings down. At the end of the day, there is going to be tradeoffs if you are trying to stay on budget. But the more you keep looking at shit, the more you will question your shit and want to keep bumping your specs up.

I think that deal you found for the i5 4590 and mobo combo is an excellent performance per dollar value. Don't think you are gon beat that value wise.

Check this out:

[video=youtube;DAgpvWc4VBM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAgpvWc4VBM[/video]

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

Thats how they get you man, lol

I think there is a lot of bullshit around cpu's bottle necking games tho. Also, with your setup, I think you are going to be hitting the limit of you gpu before your cpu anyway. And keep in mind that you can always turn settings down. At the end of the day, there is going to be tradeoffs if you are trying to stay on budget. But the more you keep looking at shit, the more you will question your shit and want to keep bumping your specs up.

I think that deal you found for the i5 4590 and mobo combo is an excellent performance per dollar value. Don't think you are gon beat that value wise.

Check this out:

[video=youtube;DAgpvWc4VBM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAgpvWc4VBM[/video]

I wish someone would make a vid like that now using recent heavily multithreaded games that truly take advantage of +4 cores.

But yeah, good point, gpu would likely be an issue long before the cpu in either build. plus Im having trouble letting go of a mitx build. And I wouldnt even need to worry about a 1080p monitor then, for everyday desktop use the old one will suffice and since the mitx is portable i can just lug it into the other room and game on the main tv.

back on the intel wagon. lol

 

[ytsejam]

I hear ya. I'm now leaning that way. (If I even build this beast I don't need)
I'm AMD guy by nature and the FX- 955O looks so badass but uses so much power and I really dig the mini ITX d frame mini case.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

I hear ya. I'm now leaning that way. (If I even build this beast I don't need)
I'm AMD guy by nature and the FX- 955O looks so badass but uses so much power and I really dig the mini ITX d frame mini case.

Yeah, if youve been following the thread youll have seen that I started off wanting to go amd, and have been flip flopping back and forth between a fx cpu or an i5. I love that I can get a 8 core fx and mobo for less than just the an i5 and would likely go that route if not for the fact that the tech is going on half a decade old. I wish I had built a pc a year or two back, Id have felt much more comfortable going amd. And theres no way im waiting a year or more for zen.

its looking like an i5, though its proving to be a pain to find a 750w psu for the 280 measuring 140mm to fit the case I want, that isnt expensive as hell to boot. People say you can go with less watts than the recommended for gpus but I rather not risk it.

oh, and if you dig the fx 9000 series, it seems that youd be better off just getting a 8350, a solid mobo, and cooler and then OCing that bad boy to around 5.0ghz. unless you just wanted to go crazy and spend money for fun, to hell with stability and longevity, then you could go to extremes to cool the 9000 and push it as far as it could go.

 

[xer0h0ur]

I've been eying the In Win D Frame Mini:

UGH! SKEET SKEET! Solid pipe water cooling is like porn to me. Its the only thing I haven't attempted yet in water cooling and its flat out aesthetically BOSS.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

I have another question... how long after a new platform is released are the components to build a system based on the outgoing one available? will 1150 mobos and cpus be phased out asap or will they remain on the market for a while?

 

[xer0h0ur]

Are you referring to manufacturing or availability? They move on from manufacturing parts fairly quickly but availability of parts usually takes a while to dwindle. Although I have seen some LGA 2011 boards already fetching a price premium. It really varies from part to part.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

Are you referring to manufacturing or availability? They move on from manufacturing parts fairly quickly but availability of parts usually takes a while to dwindle. Although I have seen some LGA 2011 boards already fetching a price premium. It really varies from part to part.

I meant availability. thanks.

Also, do you, or does anyone, know if theres actually any difference between the standard hd 7950 and the standard r9 280?

 

[xer0h0ur]

Other than the higher clock speed on the 280 I can't think of any other differences off the top of my head. Far as I know they both support the same features and power consumption should be around the same.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

Other than the higher clock speed on the 280 I can't think of any other differences off the top of my head. Far as I know they both support the same features and power consumption should be around the same.

do you know why 500w is the minimum wattage for the 7950, and 7970, but 750w is the minimum for the 280?

 

[xer0h0ur]

I can't explain why they would bump their recommended PSU requirements. I just know that there isn't a chance in hell you need a 750W PSU for just a 280. Now if you were to crossfire 280's then yeah you would be needing that if not a bit more for extra headroom. Even if you're overclocking your CPU and that 280 I still can't see it tripping the OCP on a 500W PSU unless its a cheapo unit.

For comparison's sake, I am running an overclocked 4930K, overclocked 290X and a overclocked 295X2 with a custom water cooling loop and my power consumption at load is a shade over 1000W but I never have seen it even hit 1100W. (Firestrike, Firestrike Extreme, Firestrike Ultra, gaming in general or stress testing with AIDA64 Extreme). Personally I wouldn't worry with using a single 280 on a 500W PSU.

So with an overclocked CPU and three power hungry overclocked GPUs, mobo, pump, case lighting and misc other bullshit I still get reasonable power consumption. I measure at the wall outlet using a Kill-A-Watt meter. Them shits are cheap and convenient.

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

when I first decided on going with a 280 I was figuring on a solid 500-650 watt psu cutting it but then I saw that 750w requirement and was like "wtf?"

 

[xer0h0ur]

Yeah, they also overkill the requirements for the 295X2 when in reality its not even the wattage that it needs so much as the amperage. You should be perfectly fine with that 500-650W PSU and if its not I will eat my hat.

 

[botfly10]

I have another question... how long after a new platform is released are the components to build a system based on the outgoing one available? will 1150 mobos and cpus be phased out asap or will they remain on the market for a while?

They can last a couple years if its a popular platform. However, I have noticed that often they don't seem to really drop in price that much.

 

[botfly10]

I just realized I can sell my i7 4770k on ebay for around $280. So I just picked up a i7 4790K on sale for $315 and will be upgrading this weekend, then selling my used shit on ebay. WOOOT $35 upgrade!

 

[Monsieur Tirets]

They can last a couple years if its a popular platform. However, I have noticed that often they don't seem to really drop in price that much.

I was wondering because I just realized microcenter sells xeon e3 1231v3s for 200 bucks and thats a damn good deal, but since I want to wait and see what happens with skylake I wasnt sure if doing so could result in missing out on the opportunity to build a 1150 based rig. But like you said, since prices dont really change, a skylake build might be the way to go anyway.