Bulls Game tomorrow [free tickets]

[Variable]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

52 names I believe is the max which is what the Hawks have. And, under the rule, of the 23 eligible Hawk players to be engraved all 23 are on. Bickell is just unlucky to have not played in one of the Final games. Sucks for him yeah no doubt, but there's really nothing deeper to read into other than he just wasn't eligible.

 

[agenthehe]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

Everyone can fight their points.



That was posted on NHL.com 3 years ago, they are "fun facts" I don't have to go through every NHL.com page and or article to point out that there are MANY flaws on there, their writers are no more perfect than any others. Hell I could probably find 5 hawk related articles in the last year that have a flaw in them on NHL.com sites.



The Hawks have the final say as to who was included, this is correct (unless they did something gross then the NHL can reject). As for the "cup rules" based on something I got back from someone with the NHL (and yes timing is great that I got the email today since I sent it over a month ago), the ONLY 2 and I will stress he said "unwritten rules" as they are not doccumented anywhere officially about the cup now a days other than memo's and what not are that they must be an intergial part of the cup winning organization and also if they played and or coached in a cup game they MUST be placed as a name on (including the backup or bench G as a player that played in the game since he in on bench).



Placement on the cup can be made for any player that was a part of the organization and or team the cup winning season. As for executives that is at the disgression of the cup team only needing that they be affiliated.

 

[Pez68]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

Bottom line is, if the organization wanted Bickell's name on the cup, it would have been. Obviously they didn't, and used his place for one of McDonough's **** sucker lackeys. It is what it is.

 

[Guest]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

Yea Jack he wasn't eligible. :dance:

 

[Guest]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

I could have sworn Eddie didn't make the "criteria" and the organization petitioned the NHL to have him added.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="Variable"]52 names I believe is the max which is what the Hawks have. And, under the rule, of the 23 eligible Hawk players to be engraved all 23 are on. Bickell is just unlucky to have not played in one of the Final games. Sucks for him yeah no doubt, but there's really nothing deeper to read into other than he just wasn't eligible.[/quote]



What we have here is . . . failure to communicate.



Can you not understand that there is no eligibility rule?



I'm sorry but I have a real problem with them leaving off someone who played during the playoffs so they could include more front office people, who never set foot on the ice until the PLAYERS won the freaking Cup.

 

[agenthehe]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

EXACTLY! I just spelled out there are not elegibility rules, not sure what people don't get, It was team choice.



The hawks for example could not put RK, as much as he payed over the years like a few of us who have had ST for over a decade, he's NOT ASSOCIATED in an official capacity. They could (and should IMO) have put Bickell on, he is associated in an official manner, he played in reg season and or playoff games so while he was not automatic because hd did not play in a cup game he could have been included (team choice).



By the OLD RULES when THERE WERE OFFICIAL RULES OF ELIGIBILTY Eddie had to be potitioned on, THOSE are the OLD rules.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

http://www.hhof.com/html/exscj04_33.shtml





[quote name="Hockey Hall Of Fame"]

To earn the status of getting your name engraved on the Stanley Cup, players must play at least 40 games through the regular season or one in the Cup final. Although not an official ruling, this standard helps dictate those who are considered part of the championship team.

[/quote]





The wording is pretty suggestive as to what is needed to be considered to have your name put on the cup before asking for a change to the standard.



Odd how both the NHL and the Hockey Hall of Fame suggest the same thing: "At least 40 regular season games or 1 game in the finals". Somehow I think those two might have a little weight as to the determination of which players are eligible to be on the cup...





Also, for the record it is the Cup trustees that have made the rule...and the Cup trustees are picked by the Hockey Hall of Fame, and the Trustees only designate that NHL teams can compete for the Cup, and it seems every reference to how to get your name on the Cup points to the expected rules, and I like chocolate.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="BiscuitintheBasket"]http://www.hhof.com/html/exscj04_33.shtml











The wording is pretty suggestive as to what is needed to be considered to have your name put on the cup before asking for a change to the standard.



Odd how both the NHL and the Hockey Hall of Fame suggest the same thing: "At least 40 regular season games or 1 game in the finals". Somehow I think those two might have a little weight as to the determination of which players are eligible to be on the cup...[/quote]



Yes, they carry weight. But they're not a code. They're more like guidelines. The Hawks could have put Bickell's name on the Cup if they'd wanted to despite this "guidance." Instead, they went for an overabundance of front office staff. That's what irks me. Bickell arguably contributed more to the Cup win than the folks responsible for publicity. That's all I'm saying.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="FlaHawkFan"]



Yes, they carry weight. But they're not a code. They're more like guidelines. The Hawks could have put Bickell's name on the Cup if they'd wanted to despite this "guidance." Instead, they went for an overabundance of front office staff. That's what irks me. Bickell arguably contributed more to the Cup win than the folks responsible for publicity. That's all I'm saying.[/quote]



Basically they are unwritten rules and an expected standard to follow. The Trustees and accept and reject and names submitted in any case, and that is their expected standard when submitting player names.



I totally agree that he should have been added. I just wonder that if Bickell's was submitted, would the trustees deem him ineligible by the expected standards.



In any case, I think he should have been submitted...and besides his name is easier to spell that Versteeg

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="BiscuitintheBasket"]



Basically they are unwritten rules and an expected standard to follow. The Trustees and accept and reject and names submitted in any case, and that is their expected standard when submitting player names.



I totally agree that he should have been added. I just wonder that if Bickell's was submitted, would the trustees deem him ineligible by the expected standards.



In any case, I think he should have been submitted...and besides his name is easier to spell that Versteeg[/quote]



It would have been interesting if the trustees had rejected him. It makes me wonder what would have happened if the Hawks had omitted someone who was clearly "entitled" to be on the Cup, i.e., someone who met the qualifications. Would they have been forced to include that player? (I honestly haven't read the rules so I apologize if they've been posted and I missed it.)



Are there any rules/guidelines for determining which members of the front office can be included? That would be fun to know.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="FlaHawkFan"]



It would have been interesting if the trustees had rejected him. It makes me wonder what would have happened if the Hawks had omitted someone who was clearly "entitled" to be on the Cup, i.e., someone who met the qualifications. Would they have been forced to include that player? (I honestly haven't read the rules so I apologize if they've been posted and I missed it.)



Are there any rules/guidelines for determining which members of the front office can be included? That would be fun to know.[/quote]



That seems to be the secret sauce, and quite frankly I am not so sure soooo many F/O people should be included in general.

 

[Guest]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

I must have missed something stated else where but didn't the article Jack posted say:

But a league spokesman said a few years ago a resolution was passed that the winning team can choose 52 names to put on the Cup.

So it sounds like the rule used to be 40/1 games but they have since changed it. Bickell deserves to have his name on there before a lot of F/O people, but I don't know of any players he should be a head of.

 

[Guest]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

Article about Tallon, the Cup and his Ring.



http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/01/1851621/panthers-notebook-gm-dale-tallon.html

 

[agenthehe]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="R K"]Article about Tallon, the Cup and his Ring.



http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/01/1851621/panthers-notebook-gm-dale-tallon.html[/quote]

nice article Ron.

 

[puckjim]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="R K"]Article about Tallon, the Cup and his Ring.



http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/01/1851621/panthers-notebook-gm-dale-tallon.html[/quote]



Now I'm not a McDonough basher by any means, but I thought it interesting that the players prodded Tallon to come up to celebrate with the 'Cup.



I wonder if they hadn't done that, would management have arranged it?

 

[Guest]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="puckjim"]



Now I'm not a McDonough basher by any means, but I thought it interesting that the players prodded Tallon to come up to celebrate with the 'Cup.



I wonder if they hadn't done that, would management have arranged it?[/quote]



Not a chance in hell. The players respected Tallon, while Mcdonough did not.



The players knew who built the team that won the Stanley Cup. They all understand it's a business and ultimately run like any other business.



The new guy comes aboard and screws all the people currently working there. Johns perfect for that. He's no different than a lot of CEO's out there other than he's not the CEO.

 

[puckjim]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

Unfortunately, I suspect you are correct. Any traces of the old regime probably grate on current management.



I wonder if it is at the end? I mean, McD et al basically turned over everyone left from WWW's days. Will these "newbies" eventually get McD'ed, or will he be as loyal to his guys as $Bill was to his?

 

[fanof19]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="puckjim"]



Now I'm not a McDonough basher by any means, but I thought it interesting that the players prodded Tallon to come up to celebrate with the 'Cup.



I wonder if they hadn't done that, would management have arranged it?[/quote]



nope. they didn't even invite him to the dinner where everyone got their rings, and he didn't get a day with the Cup, so that should answer that question for you.

 

[Guest]

Re: Interseting about Bickell not being on cup...

[quote name="fanof19"]



nope. they didn't even invite him to the dinner where everyone got their rings, and he didn't get a day with the Cup, so that should answer that question for you.[/quote]





Was a nice article though. Shows the boys cared immensely for him. And still do.



Was odd Dudley said no to Buff, Ladd, Sopel and Eager. I know three of them played that night but it was preseason.