Bulls/Griz still talking

[WearShades]

i think the counter argument is that mayo has a higher potential. Right now i think taj is a little below what he's going to end up as in terms of ceiling. If taj improves his jumper and his post moves, he's a really good role player. He's a borderline starter on some teams, but he's not a go too offensive player. On defense he's a good player, but he's foul prone.

The only worry is that will oj mayo ever reach his potential.

I disagree on the potential argument. While Gibson probably is what he's going to be, I don't think Mayo has the high ceiling he was thought to have coming out of college. Most of the hype on him is based off the "next Lebron" talk that started when he was a 14 year old. He physically matured very early (he had the beard he has now when he was a sophomore in high school) and that's part of why he was so dominant so young. He went into his freshman year at USC the expected number one overall pick and ended up dropping off because he wasn't particularly great. Went third, and hasn't shown he's much more than a bench player or fringe starter. It's his third year in the NBA, and a five years since he last was playing like he might one day be a star. It's time to re-evaluate his ceiling. I don't think it's particularly high.

 

[pinkizdead]

I don't think oj mayo will be a star. I think his ceiling should be a solid contributor/borderline all star.

 

[NealKleren]

I would trade Taj for Mayo,Taj is a good solid role player but to trade him for Mayo to upgrade and SG would be worth it imo. You dont want to overvalue Taj,Im not saying I dont like him or that he isnt good but to get rid of Taj for an upgrade at sg is well worth it. If we could give them Bogans as well to make room for cap for Mayo as well I hope that would happen along with it if that was the trade.

 

[pinkizdead]

i sAw this on blog a bull. a commenter isn't so high on mayo. I don't know if you can use +/- like this. I'm not sure. Any thoughts?

League exec who has spoken with Bulls says Bulls are still talking to Grizz regarding Mayo. Says... - Blog a Bull

was messing around the other day and compiled these from basketballvalue.com

"2yr" is the 2yr adjusted plus minus statistic and "1yr" is the 1 year adjusted plus minus statistic

Player -----> Lee Bogans Mayo

Period 2yr 1yr 2yr 1yr 2yr 1yr

2010-2011 -1.96 -0.28 Rockets -2.87 -5.61 Bulls -6.11 -6.95 Griz

2010 Plyffs -4.72 -5.85 Spurs

2009-2010 -1.17 -0.7 Nets -3.53 -4.74 Spurs -4.67 -10.58 Griz

2009 Plyffs -1.58 -1.34 Magic

2008-2009 -0.24 -1.15 Magic -0.05 -2.85 Mgc, MI 1.21 -1.7 Grz
Any of you stat heads want to comment so I can shoot you down and provide my own interpretation?

 

[Shakes]

I love the idea of adjusted plus/minus, the problem is the sample size of an NBA season or two just doesn't work. There is so much noise in adjusted plus/minus that 80% of the league are within the error margin of each other.

 

[WearShades]

I would trade Taj for Mayo,Taj is a good solid role player but to trade him for Mayo to upgrade and SG would be worth it imo. You dont want to overvalue Taj,Im not saying I dont like him or that he isnt good but to get rid of Taj for an upgrade at sg is well worth it. If we could give them Bogans as well to make room for cap for Mayo as well I hope that would happen along with it if that was the trade.

I don't believe you're overvaluing Taj, but you're definitely overvaluing Mayo. He's, at best, a fringe starter and you're asking to trade away your first big man off the bench who's playing at a much, much higher level plus Bogans (not that trading Bogans is a problem).

When some think of Mayo, they think of the third overall pick in the 2008 draft and not what he is today. He's barely shooting 40%, plays better with the ball in his hands than not, and is overall very inefficient. He's a bad fit for the Bulls on top of that. If the Bulls are trading Taj at all, that should net them a much, much better player than Mayo.

 

[pinkizdead]

When some think of Mayo, they think of the third overall pick in the 2008 draft and not what he is today. He's barely shooting 40%, plays better with the ball in his hands than not, and is overall very inefficient. He's a bad fit for the Bulls on top of that. If the Bulls are trading Taj at all, that should net them a much, much better player than Mayo.

i didn't know any of that. seriously? shooting 40%?

 

[X]

I don't think oj mayo will be a star. I think his ceiling should be a solid contributor/borderline all star.

Just to clarify...you think OJ will be on Deng's level?

 

[pinkizdead]

Just to clarify...you think OJ will be on Deng's level?

well my opinion of him comes from the media and here-say. Unlike some, i don't have enough free time to watch memphis games. If he's shooting 40% from the field, i don't think you should give up too much for the guy. I should probably look up the stats for him. May be he will be up to deng's level, may be he won't.

 

[NealKleren]

I don't believe you're overvaluing Taj, but you're definitely overvaluing Mayo. He's, at best, a fringe starter and you're asking to trade away your first big man off the bench who's playing at a much, much higher level plus Bogans (not that trading Bogans is a problem).

When some think of Mayo, they think of the third overall pick in the 2008 draft and not what he is today. He's barely shooting 40%, plays better with the ball in his hands than not, and is overall very inefficient. He's a bad fit for the Bulls on top of that. If the Bulls are trading Taj at all, that should net them a much, much better player than Mayo.

Trust me I dont overvalue OJ Mayo. Is he our final answer at sg? No way. I think some new scenery would help him though.But I'm saying is to give up a bench player to upgrade a starting position in general is worth it,thats what I mean by that(depenidng on of course who the player is). TBH if we dont upgrade at the SG position before the deadline it wouldnt bother me. Now come summer time and we still dont have a better sg than Bogans then we'll have a problem lol. I like all the ideas that are floating around for the Bulls at sg whether that would be a d leaguer that might be worth a shot,Parker,Mayo,or someone else. Im really not that big on Lee and wouldnt trade Taj for him though.

 

[pinkizdead]

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right now, you can't find too much of a difference between oj mayo and keith bogans. I'd stay pat with bogans. If anyone knows of a reason why the stats shouldn't be given weight feel free to let me know.

Is conley a bad distributer? Is oj mayo the focus of the offense? is he a bad catch and shooter? Or are his attempts down from his regular averages?

the guy is coming of the bench right? may be he's not good at that role. He might not be getting the ball in the right spots. Whose they're back up pg? do they run the ball through him?

 

[pinkizdead]

NBA.com : O.J. Mayo Career Stats Page

here look at this. his fg% is down and so are his minutes and games started. I'm not saying O.J. is the great Affallo( I'm not being sarcastic. i love this guy's game), but he's a decent starter.

 

[pinkizdead]

Wasn't mayo's dad involved in a homicide earlier this year? The drug screening, Now a dui, going to the bench, this certainly hasn't been his year.

 

[pinkizdead]

Wasn't mayo's dad involved in a homicide earlier this year? The drug screening, Now a dui, going to the bench, this certainly hasn't been his year.

O.J. Mayo's father charged with attempted murder - ESPN Not the typical 'paxson' guy.

 

[Shakes]

i didn't know any of that. seriously? shooting 40%?

He's been terrible this year. Why did you think the Griz wanted to trade him?

 

[pinkizdead]

He's been terrible this year. Why did you think the Griz wanted to trade him?

he had relatively productive years before this one.


I'm just guessing here, but, part of that is on them. they moved the guy to the bench with gervais vasquez at the point. Mayo moved from being the 2nd 3rd option to being the first option and having a crappy pg.

My first choice is still go after affallo with all your resources. If that doesn't work, move on to mayo.

also i think the grizzlies might want to trade, because they're a really bad organization. The pau gasol trade was a bad decision. The Conley signing was horrible. The *** signing was badish. Trading mayo is just another bad decision.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I'd MUCH rather have Arron Afflalo.

 

[pinkizdead]

If denver is open to dealing him, i think we should go all in. I wish he had performed terribly tonight. Sadly he went off for 21 on 7-12 shooting. That fucking bastard. It's almost like he's doing this on purpose.

 

[WearShades]

Trust me I dont overvalue OJ Mayo. Is he our final answer at sg? No way. I think some new scenery would help him though.But I'm saying is to give up a bench player to upgrade a starting position in general is worth it,thats what I mean by that(depenidng on of course who the player is). TBH if we dont upgrade at the SG position before the deadline it wouldnt bother me. Now come summer time and we still dont have a better sg than Bogans then we'll have a problem lol. I like all the ideas that are floating around for the Bulls at sg whether that would be a d leaguer that might be worth a shot,Parker,Mayo,or someone else. Im really not that big on Lee and wouldnt trade Taj for him though.

Saying Taj is only a bench player is misleading. He's averaging just under 23 minutes a game and there isn't another player on the team that can replace those minutes. I'm not against trading Taj if the deal is right but none of the guys mentioned are worth him. Given the extra room under the cap the Bulls have now, they should be able to absorb a contract of a decent 2 guard w/o giving up much. Taj isn't going to be part of a deal.

 

[Shakes]

Saying Taj is only a bench player is misleading. He's averaging just under 23 minutes a game and there isn't another player on the team that can replace those minutes.

Boozer 32/Noah 8/Deng 8 (with a new SG Brewer/Korver play more SF letting Deng play some PF AND still cut his overall minutes)
Noah 28/Asik 10/Thomas 10 (give these 10 to Asik next year with Thomas gone)

Done.