Bulls vs Heat Game 4 Discussion

[houheffna]

So we're not allowed to be upset after our team crashes and burns to our probably soon to become (or already has become) rival? We can't be upset that our little Cinderella story is all but over? I must say then, you are a far stronger man than me, Houston Smith. Props.

Who says I'm not upset? Who says I'm not disappointed?

 

[Glide2keva]

Wow bro not cool Wade put up his middle finger to the Bulls

So?

I'm close friends with members of his family, we grew up one block from each other. He's my favorite player in the league and was before Rose got here.

It's not a bandwagon thing, I'd root for Wade if he was on the T-Wolves.

If the Bulls lose out, then it's about my neighborhood and Wade.

He may have turned down the Bulls and had some words he was wrong for saying, but I was at his draft party and his Championship party he had here in 06. I root against him when he plays the Bulls, but that's the only time I do. I hate lebron, not Wade.

 

[BeringStrait]

Who says I'm not upset? Who says I'm not disappointed?

I think it's because most fans want to have a moment or two of intense anger/frustration/sadness before we become calm & objective/realistic again (if the fans want to, that is). It's like a release of all of the anxiety that built up while watching the games.

 

[nwfisch]

I'm not so much asking for objectivity. Just some sort of rational intelligent thought.

Still you're looking to a Chicago sports message board for this. I'm sorry, you're not going to find it here for the most part, or on any other teams message board.

 

[houheffna]

Still you're looking to a Chicago sports message board for this. I'm sorry, you're not going to find it here for the most part, or on any other teams message board.

I disagree...I think there is less objectivity with Bulls fans than with most other big city teams...

 

[nwfisch]

I disagree...I think there is less objectivity with Bulls fans than with most other big city teams...

I'm sure there are homers on every other teams message board? This is my first and only experience so far with a message board, and there are great posters here who aren't objective. I don't see why people come here looking for objectivity.

 

[Glide2keva]

I'm sure there are homers on every other teams message board? This is my first and only experience so far with a message board, and there are great posters here who aren't objective. I don't see why people come here looking for objectivity.

Well some people think they are national commentators and don't live in the moment. Those types of "fans" I can't stand.

 

[houheffna]

I'm sure there are homers on every other teams message board? This is my first and only experience so far with a message board, and there are great posters here who aren't objective. I don't see why people come here looking for objectivity.

I said less objectivity...the percentages are diverse. Its not about whether you are subjective or objective, its about acceptance of others position in a debate. When you are a grown ass man who comes on a forum and your only rebuttal is "you are not a Bulls fan..." because a fan may criticize Derrick Rose, it gets to be a bit incessant.

Calling sound thinkers national commentators is a poor excuse for being basketball Special person in my opinion. That is like saying "you shouldn't think rationally unless you are getting paid to think rationally". People who think like that in sports or any other subject matter that spurs debate is an idiot and would be better off talking to themselves.

 

[nwfisch]

I said less objectivity...the percentages are diverse. Its not about whether you are subjective or objective, its about acceptance of others position in a debate. When you are a grown ass man who comes on a forum and your only rebuttal is "you are not a Bulls fan..." because a fan may criticize Derrick Rose, it gets to be a bit incessant.

Calling sound thinkers national commentators is a poor excuse for being basketball Special person in my opinion. That is like saying "you shouldn't think rationally unless you are getting paid to think rationally". People who think like that in sports or any other subject matter that spurs debate is an idiot and would be better off talking to themselves.

I see what you're saying now, but there will be "homers" everywhere, especially on message boards. If people don't like them, just don't respond.

 

[FirstTimer]

Well some people think they are national commentators and don't live in the moment. Those types of "fans" I can't stand.

I do live in the moment. I'm as dissappointed as any fan the Bulls are losing this series. Just because I don't jump all over refs or the opponents, or the opposing fan base doesn't mean I'm any more or less a fan than anybody else.

As I said before you can feel free to express yourself however you want after a loss, but I'd rather not get hung up on ranting about "Lebitch", how Wade is a traitor, or Bosh is *** etc.

In the end most of the bitching done on this board over this series comes off as nothing more than butt hurt sour grapes and incredibley hypocritical.

People like to claim Chicago teams have great fanbases, with most of the posts here over the last 12 hours I have yet to see proof of that.

Sorry if me actually wanting to discuss the strategy of the game, the Bulls poor shooting, matchup issues, and the Bulls personnel issues etc(you know the real reasons the Bulls are losing) comes off as "commentatorish". Most of the stuff going on around here comes off as nothing more than what I mentioned a few sentences ago....Those are the type of fans I can't stand.

 

[houheffna]

I see what you're saying now, but there will be "homers" everywhere, especially on message boards. If people don't like them, just don't respond.

If a homer or a pragmatist or whoever says something I don't agree with...on a forum, why shouldn't I challenge them on it? What's wrong with that? Homers can say the most outlandish stuff and excuse it as passion. I let people know how I feel.

Why shouldn't I ask someone why they are critical of one player but when a Chicago Bull does it, they are less critical? Is that being a fan or irrational thinking?

 

[FirstTimer]

I see what you're saying now, but there will be "homers" everywhere, especially on message boards. If people don't like them, just don't respond.

To turn it around..if the homers don't like being called out on it...then maybe they shouldn't post something that can be responded to in the first place.

It works both ways.

 

[Glide2keva]

Not everything is for debate, sometimes people want to vent and people that act like national commentators don't allow people to do those things. We'll get back to the debate, that's fine, but to not be engaged in it other than to casually observe and only speak negatively about the team you're supposedly a fan of isn't cool in my book.

Calling people Special person because they don't act like they work for ESPN isn't cool either.

 

[nwfisch]

If a homer or a pragmatist or whoever says something I don't agree with...on a forum, why shouldn't I challenge them on it? What's wrong with that? Homers can say the most outlandish stuff and excuse it as passion. I let people know how I feel.

Why shouldn't I ask someone why they are critical of one player but when a Chicago Bull does it, they are less critical? Is that being a fan or irrational thinking?

There's nothing wrong with disagreement and debate, I love it and so do you.

I'm not saying you can't ask, in fact go ahead, it makes it fun, but you can't be surprised and or upset if people respond the same way they always do.

 

[FirstTimer]

and only speak negatively about the team you're supposedly a fan of isn't cool in my book.

Who has done that?

Calling people Special person because they don't act like they work for ESPN isn't cool either.

And claiming people aren't fans because they don't fly off the handle and act stupid over every little thing even when its wrong isn't either.

I don't think I've called anyone here Special person during this entire Heat thing. Show me the post where I did and I will retract it but I really don't recall doing so.

 

[Sunbiz1]

I do live in the moment. I'm as dissappointed as any fan the Bulls are losing this series. Just because I don't jump all over refs or the opponents, or the opposing fan base doesn't mean I'm any more or less a fan than anybody else.

As I said before you can feel free to express yourself however you want after a loss, but I'd rather not get hung up on ranting about "Lebitch", how Wade is a traitor, or Bosh is *** etc.

In the end most of the bitching done on this board over this series comes off as nothing more than butt hurt sour grapes and incredibley hypocritical.

People like to claim Chicago teams have great fanbases, with most of the posts here over the last 12 hours I have yet to see proof of that.

Sorry if me actually wanting to discuss the strategy of the game, the Bulls poor shooting, matchup issues, and the Bulls personnel issues etc(you know the real reasons the Bulls are losing) comes off as "commentatorish". Most of the stuff going on around here comes off as nothing more than what I mentioned a few sentences ago....Those are the type of fans I can't stand.

I'm sure by now it has occurred to you that all sports MB's share the same issues. For one, the average age of posters is under 30...with a good portion thereof under 25. So for the most part, you're dealing w/people that have limited knowledge of the subject matter. What I do like about this site is that I can say things like, "Miami is full of transvestites" and other assorted insults I cannot post on Facebook!.

With that said, this loss was about as much of a team loss as I have seen. When there were 8 seconds left, I posted in this thread to NOT give Rose the ball. Why even bother calling a T/O to draw up a play that resulted in 4 guys standing around?...let alone a play any 10 year old could guess.

 

[clonetrooper264]

If a homer or a pragmatist or whoever says something I don't agree with...on a forum, why shouldn't I challenge them on it? What's wrong with that? Homers can say the most outlandish stuff and excuse it as passion. I let people know how I feel.

Why shouldn't I ask someone why they are critical of one player but when a Chicago Bull does it, they are less critical? Is that being a fan or irrational thinking?

And if you say stuff that others don't agree with, they have the same right to respond. Granted it may not be in a way that you like (ie not objective enough or irrational or whatever), but to be fair not everyone can keep rationality and objectivity when they see their team completely fail to a hated rival. I've been pretty freaking pissed off the past 3 games and I've probably said some stupid stuff because of it. I'm letting you guys know how I feel, as stupid as some of it may sound, and I don't think I should get slammed because of it. You will have your opinion and I will have mine and others will have others are there is probably no chance that we're going to agree on everything. You can't call people basketball Special person for being passionate the same we can't call you not a Bulls fan for being critical.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm sure by now it has occurred to you that all sports MB's share the same issues.

Not OS



Just kidding.

I hate that place.

For one, the average age of posters is under 30...with a good portion thereof under 25. So for the most part, you're dealing w/people that have limited knowledge of the subject matter. What I do like about this site is that I can say things like, "Miami is full of transvestites" and other assorted insults I cannot post on Facebook!.

Very true..but then again if you want to post it then yo uhave to deal with the reprocussions and responses to it in an open forum.

Being a fan doesn't have to equate to ranting idiotically. That's meatballish stuff. Like I said earlier, Chicago fans like to think/say/brag they are one of the best fan bases in America. All I'm expecting is that they back it up.

With that said, this loss was about as much of a team loss as I have seen. When there were 8 seconds left, I posted in this thread to NOT give Rose the ball. Why even bother calling a T/O to draw up a play that resulted in 4 guys standing around?...let alone a play any 10 year old could guess.

Agreed. Chicago doesn't have the guys needed to execute a low 1-4 set...so it just becomes useless ISO up top.

 

[FirstTimer]

And if you say stuff that others don't agree with, they have the same right to respond. Granted it may not be in a way that you like (ie not objective enough or irrational or whatever), but to be fair not everyone can keep rationality and objectivity when they see their team completely fail to a hated rival.

That's not the point really CT. The point is now that houf isn't getting a response on subject it's become peopel questioning other guys "fanhood" because they haven't plugged needled into the CCS Lebron voodoo doll.

I mean we seriously have fans of this team saying they don't like rational objective fans. Srsly?

It's a bg circle we can all respond to eachothers post however...But the issue is houf and I's posts are actuall yon the subject of basketball at the start and why the Bulls are failing and why everyone needs to realize it. It's not like we are ONLY telling people to settle down, we are offering backup as to why and trying to get the point across from a basketball point of view...the responses haven't even been to the actual basketball part of the discussion but as to why we aren't fans they like because we aren't flipping out.

It doesn't make any sense.

I don't think I should get slammed because of it.

Who here has "slammed you" and how? I also don't think that flying off the handle cussing about James and Wade and Bosh really accomplishes anything or is even meaningful because most of it is off base and just wrong. I don't feel like I should bite my keyboard on the issue just because some fans want to have tantrum time.

Something about opinions and assholes yada yada yada.

You can't call people basketball Special person for being passionate .

That's not why houf said someone was. Houf never intimated that being passionate about ones team is equal to being basketball Special person. He was saying basketball retards use "passion" as an excuse or a cover for being basketball Special person. An "all poodles are dogs but not all dogs are poodles" kind of thing.

You took his comment the wrong way.

 

[clonetrooper264]

That's not the point really CT. The point is now that houf isn't getting a response on subject it's become peopel questioning other guys "fanhood" because they haven't plugged needled into the CCS Lebron voodoo doll.

I mean we seriously have fans of this team saying they don't like rational objective fans. Srsly?

It's a bg circle we can all respond to eachothers post however...But the issue is houf and I's posts are actuall yon the subject of basketball at the start and why the Bulls are failing and why everyone needs to realize it. It's not like we are ONLY telling people to settle down, we are offering backup as to why and trying to get the point across from a basketball point of view...the responses haven't even been to the actual basketball part of the discussion but as to why we aren't fans they like because we aren't flipping out.

It doesn't make any sense.

I agree that sometimes people need to calm down a little, but it's a bit much to ask for some people because that's how they are. It's not like no one here has said what the Bulls need to improve on except you two. And just to play the devil's advocate, when a passionate fan in the midst of watching his team fail before his eyes sees someone come in and point out mistakes (not to say that it is wrong for you to do that), that person probably isn't going to respond well. If you're really pissed off about something and someone else just kind of adds to the problem, a natural response is to lash out at the person. It might all be misdirected anger, but it's not like Chicago fans are the only people out there that do that.

Who here has "slammed you" and how? I also don't think that flying off the handle cussing about James and Wade and Bosh really accomplishes anything or is even meaningful because most of it is off base and just wrong. I don't feel like I should bite my keyboard on the issue just because some fans want to have tantrum time.

Something about opinions and assholes yada yada yada.

I am thankful to say that I haven't been slammed personally, but I've seen other guys get slammed and most of the time I don't agree with it. I agree that to call those 3 all kinds of names is off base, but again in times of frustration, most people are going to cuss out whatever they're pissed off at.

That's not why houf said someone was. Houf never intimated that being passionate about ones team is equal to being basketball Special person. He was saying basketball retards use "passion" as an excuse or a cover for being basketball Special person. An "all poodles are dogs but not all dogs are poodles" kind of thing.

You took his comment the wrong way.

Fair enough, I read it wrong. Woke up an hour ago and I guess my reading skills haven't fully woken up. xD