Can anyone honestly look at the rosters of the 4 Championship teams that competed to be in the Super Bowl, and think we're only a Caleb Williams away?

[Les Grossman]

Just because Caleb Williams wouldn't be the starter in this scenario, doesn't automatically mean we're going to Tyson Bagent.

This is the kind of inane arguing that I was referring to when I said its easy to infer things from some of the bullshit that gets spouted here.

I said that to represent a low level investment in the QB position.

It could be CHI drafting Maye or Daniels as well. They have to get the QB position right.

You should seek help for your CW obsession. It’s sad, but you mention him the most on this board.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

As Bill Walsh use to say, by start 24-25 you should know what you have a QB. They'll show you who they are within that window. The players that start off really slow and go on to have sustainable success at that position post that are few and far between. Not impossible but improbable. Fields has 38 career starts. The hump he needs to jump over is a magical one.

 

[MDB111™]

People like to hide behind this. But look at how the people who are arguing for Caleb Williams are acting. Look how many of you guys propped up CJ Stroud.

You guys act like as long as you don't literally say the exact words That we can just ignore your actions and your past posts and past behaviors As if it's impossible to infer what you guys believe from those.

I hate to break it to you, but when you have a track record of certain posts, it's pretty damn easy to infer what you think even if you're not being honest about it.

Why are you so upset?

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

If they get the right QB they are 1 off-season away from a legitimate playoff team.

I disagree.

If you look at it clear-eyed, compared to the Super Bowl teams, the Bears at a bare minimum need (taking QB out of it for argument's sake):

* Another Edge Rusher
* A true 3 Technique
* Depth behind the line across the board
* Resign JJ
* Draft another top Corner (I like the rookie but he's depth material right now)
* A Starting Center
* An Upgrade to Right Guard (Nate Davis is good vs average teams, but get's destroyed by premium pass rushers)
* An Upgrade to Left Tackle (I will continue to say this until Braxton Jones stops getting pushed into his quarterback regularly)
* A Decent Swing Tackle
* Solid backup interior line depth - usually someone who can play center and both guard spots
* 2 more very good WRs at a minimum, preferably one of them being a top tier WR to take pressure off of DJ Moore
* Depth all around the team on offense and defense, generally.

There are some things you can try - like moving Darnell Wright to LT, Jones to RT for a year to get swing tackle experience, sign a free agent center and then draft one to take his place, and hope that all works out on the line, but there's no guarantees it will. Either way, the Bears are at least 2 draft behind, if not 3 from being a team that can compete to win a Super Bowl, legitimately.

 

[dbldrew]

If they get the right QB they are 1 off-season away from a legitimate playoff team.

Maybe but probably closer to 2-3 years away, all depends on how quickly the QB develops. Most good QBs take a pretty big leap forward by year 3, although if he is a fast learner then you might be right

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I said that to represent a low level investment in the QB position.

It could be CHI drafting Maye or Daniels as well. They have to get the QB position right.

You should seek help for your CW obsession. It’s sad, but you mention him the most on this board.

You realize half of it was bait to trigger Cultists like you right? And I never fail to make a catch, so who has the obsession now?

 

[HeHateMe]

He's just a weak thin-skinned ***** who's looking for any excuse to get me banned.

Lol, you have tits, and 90% of the board on ignore because they hurt you.

 

[MDB111™]

Lol, you have tits, and 90% of the board on ignore because they hurt you.

Nope. You got baited. He owns you.

Benny da bul dance.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

You realize half of it was bait to trigger Cultists like you right? And I never fail to make a catch, so who has the obsession now?

You’re so creative

 

[vabearsfan15]

We got destroyed by GB. I don’t think beating a divisional team is a great barometer of overall success.

Further, playoff games are a completely different animal than regular season.

Sure, it was a disappointing performance against the Packers with the playoffs on the line. But at the same time we only lost 17-9 at Lambeau against a team that clobbered the #2 seed and almost took down the #1 seed of the NFC. There is obviousky a gap there, but its not as big as some on here make it out to be. Additionally, we have more assetts at our disposal than most teams to improve pur roster and close that gap.

 

[Bearcub13]

Because I really want to get the pulse on this.

This isn't about Caleb Williams vs Justin Fields, so if you want to turn it into one of those threads, **** you.


Just objectively tell me, in your opinion, do you really think all this roster is missing is Caleb Williams and off we go to the Super Bowl?


Because that's how a lot of you guys are talking, and when I compare the Bears' roster to the 49ers, Lions, Chiefs and Ravens and shit, even the Packers, the Bears still have some significant holes.

And the reason I even bring this up, is because I suspect the same people who will say "well, even with Williams, of course the Bears have holes that need to be filled before we can compete for a Super Bowl) were some of the same people looking at CJ Stroud and using him as justification for drafting Williams, because somehow a magical QB can just carry people to Super Bowls, even though CJ Stroud did NOT do that for his team, and got absolutely SMOKED when playing a legit team in the Ravens.

So which is it? Pick a lane.

Because those of us who want the haul, see an opportunity to close a 2-3 year talent gap in a single draft with the picks and players we'd be getting back, plus see a San Fransisco team that almost won a Super Bowl with a QB who wasn't exactly God's gift to quarterbacking.

 

[Bearcub13]

ers blew on Trey Lance Because I really want to get the pulse on this.

This isn't about Caleb Williams vs Justin Fields, so if you want to turn it into one of those threads, **** you.


Just objectively tell me, in your opinion, do you really think all this roster is missing is Caleb Williams and off we go to the Super Bowl?


Because that's how a lot of you guys are talking, and when I compare the Bears' roster to the 49ers, Lions, Chiefs and Ravens and shit, even the Packers, the Bears still have some significant holes.

And the reason I even bring this up, is because I suspect the same people who will say "well, even with Williams, of course the Bears have holes that need to be filled before we can compete for a Super Bowl) were some of the same people looking at CJ Stroud and using him as justification for drafting Williams, because somehow a magical QB can just carry people to Super Bowls, even though CJ Stroud did NOT do that for his team, and got absolutely SMOKED when playing a legit team in the Ravens.

So which is it? Pick a lane.

Because those of us who want the haul, see an opportunity to close a 2-3 year talent gap in a single draft with the picks and players we'd be getting back, plus see a San Fransisco team that almost won a Super Bowl with a QB who wasn't exactly God's gift to quarterbacking.

You have to wonder if those three first round draft picks the 49ers blew on Trey Lance were coming back to haunt them last night???

 

[Les Grossman]

Sure, it was a disappointing performance against the Packers with the playoffs on the line. But at the same time we only lost 17-9 at Lambeau against a team that clobbered the #2 seed and almost took down the #1 seed of the NFC. There is obviousky a gap there, but its not as big as some on here make it out to be. Additionally, we have more assetts at our disposal than most teams to improve pur roster and close that gap.

The GB game wasn’t nearly as close as the score indicated. Not trying to be disrespectful, but referencing the score might lead one to believe that you didn’t actually watch the game.

The only noteworthy win CHI had last year was against DET. Just one.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

The GB game wasn’t nearly as close as the score indicated. Not trying to be disrespectful, but referencing the score might lead one to believe that you didn’t actually watch the game.

No we watched it. The score is still 17-9. Main culprit was obviously the offense mustering under 200 yards of total offense all game.

OC is gone and more than likely the QB as well

 

[bamainatlanta]

Which is a total anomaly for them. They are super young on that side of the ball. It's not going to stay that way.

They aren’t exactly that young.

 

[wazzupi]

Because I really want to get the pulse on this.

This isn't about Caleb Williams vs Justin Fields, so if you want to turn it into one of those threads, **** you.


Just objectively tell me, in your opinion, do you really think all this roster is missing is Caleb Williams and off we go to the Super Bowl?


Because that's how a lot of you guys are talking, and when I compare the Bears' roster to the 49ers, Lions, Chiefs and Ravens and shit, even the Packers, the Bears still have some significant holes.

And the reason I even bring this up, is because I suspect the same people who will say "well, even with Williams, of course the Bears have holes that need to be filled before we can compete for a Super Bowl) were some of the same people looking at CJ Stroud and using him as justification for drafting Williams, because somehow a magical QB can just carry people to Super Bowls, even though CJ Stroud did NOT do that for his team, and got absolutely SMOKED when playing a legit team in the Ravens.

So which is it? Pick a lane.

Because those of us who want the haul, see an opportunity to close a 2-3 year talent gap in a single draft with the picks and players we'd be getting back, plus see a San Fransisco team that almost won a Super Bowl with a QB who wasn't exactly God's gift to quarterbacking.

So we are only drafting Caleb Williams !? Is that what you’re saying… we are forfeiting our other picks and we are just throwing the rest of the cap space funds into an ROA ? Like what are we talking about…. fucking stupid thread.

 

[Myk]

Who said the Bears are going to go to the Super Bowl immediately after drafting Williams?

No one that I know of. The idea that Williams is a wasted draft pick because the rest of the team needs upgrades as well doesn’t mean you default to a quarterback who’s had his chance and failed. It’s a process.

#calebonthecranium, MJ. You’ve got it bad . . .

But they do refuse to want an offense around Williams. They want to keep repeating the same failed 40 year plan the Bears have been on.
No protection and target talent excuses allowed. It's only the QB that matters.

You could get Williams and an offense but the above refuse to go along with that. They want to continue getting a QB and then focusing all the talent to defense.
We've been basically repeating this for 40 years, and hard repeating it for 15 years.

 

[gpphat]

I have been in the camp of trading the #1 and rolling with Fields for at least one more year. A lot of that though is lack of confidence in Flus and feeling the Bears can get a haul for that #1 which could setup the eventual new coaching staff with a lot of ammo to be successful out the gate. But while I feel Poles should trade the #1, I 100% get why he would take his shot with Williams. The Bears still have the #9 pick plus the rest of the draft and cap space to build around Williams. Throw in what they could potentially get for Fields and while the Bears won't be SB contenders next year, they will hopefully be set up to get there.

But my biggest issue is Flus, I think it was a mistake keeping him and will hate seeing Williams have to learn a whole new system his 2nd year. I have seen this episode before and it has yet to end well for the Bears.

I think either strategy, keeping Fields and trading the #1 or draft Williams and trading Fields, can be successful. It just hinges on Flus.

 

[bamainatlanta]

I have been in the camp of trading the #1 and rolling with Fields for at least one more year. A lot of that though is lack of confidence in Flus and feeling the Bears can get a haul for that #1 which could setup the eventual new coaching staff with a lot of ammo to be successful out the gate. But while I feel Poles should trade the #1, I 100% get why he would take his shot with Williams. The Bears still have the #9 pick plus the rest of the draft and cap space to build around Williams. Throw in what they could potentially get for Fields and while the Bears won't be SB contenders next year, they will hopefully be set up to get there.

But my biggest issue is Flus, I think it was a mistake keeping him and will hate seeing Williams have to learn a whole new system his 2nd year. I have seen this episode before and it has yet to end well for the Bears.

I think either strategy, keeping Fields and trading the #1 or draft Williams and trading Fields, can be successful. It just hinges on Flus.

Keeping Flus might be the biggest mistake Poles ever makes.

 

[Nelly]

Keeping Flus might be the biggest mistake Poles ever makes.

There was no better time than now to make a move and offer Ben Johnson a whole bunch of money to come here and get Caleb Williams to play with. Instead, we might be doing what we did with Fields, giving Williams a lame-duck coach and then switching everything around on him again. I hope not, but it's looking like that could happen. Poles better go all-in around Williams from a roster standpoint this offseason.