Can anyone honestly look at the rosters of the 4 Championship teams that competed to be in the Super Bowl, and think we're only a Caleb Williams away?

[Chief Walking Stick]

I completely agree with you that your QB does set the ceiling more than any position, but you also need to understand you need good coaching to unlock your QB's ability to raise that ceiling, and you need weapons around him and protection in front of him if you want any hope of winning a Super Bowl.

Everyone right now is loving on Pat Mahomes as the best in the game and rightfully so - did you see what he said recently?

He said when he got to KC, Andy Reid didn't try to change him too much. Instead, they figured out what he was good at and accentuated that. Those are Pat's own words.

I know Fields gets ragged on, but he's had back to back offensive minds try to change the type of QB he is instead of letting him play his way and handling it like Andy Reid did.

And if the Bears move on from Fields, I honestly hope it isn't Caleb Williams. I see way, way, WAY too much Jeff George in him. All the talent in the world, but a mindset that will prevent him from ever ingratiating himself to his team and organization.

What I don't want is the Bears to be in 1st round playoff hell. Where quarterbacks who are "just good enough" get you to the first round, maybe a playoff win, and then out, making the organization think they are a lot closer than they are.

I understand the risk of betting everything on Fields improving under new coaching though, so I've come around to wanting the Bears to trade the #1 pick for a haul, and use the second rounder they get back for whomever the best QB available is, and I am hoping for Penix in that situation. Because at least Penix is a pure passer, which is a different game than what both Fields and Caleb are - those two have VERY similar games, which is why the pissing contest over the two cracks me up - Fields would rack up numbers against Bumblefuck University too. If you want a different QB, I say get someone who is a different style.

Just my take.

Ain't no one reading that essay that you drooled out of your brane lmao

 

[Weebey Brice]

An elite QB elevates a team. We saw the Texans go from a disaster to a playoff contender in the span of one year after drafting a QB.

 

[PhilEBuster]

An elite QB elevates a team. We saw the Texans go from a disaster to a playoff contender in the span of one year after drafting a QB.

Only on a Bears board - in a city where there hasn’t been a quarterback worth a damn in over 30 years - could one face opposition trying to get the best quarterback possible . . .

 

[Weebey Brice]

Only on a Bears board - in a city where there hasn’t been a quarterback worth a damn in over 30 years - could one face opposition trying to get the best quarterback possible . . .

I just can’t think how anyone aftering watching Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre kick this organizations ass for three decades could look at Jordan Love during the playoffs and go like “Yeah we”re fine, let’s pass up on one of the more talented QB prospects and get a HaUL”. It’s pure delusion or just deflection because they don’t want to get disappointed again. Only explanation.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I just can’t think how anyone aftering watching Aaron Rodgers and Brett Favre kick this organizations ass for three decades could look at Jordan Love during the playoffs and go like “Yeah we”re fine, let’s pass up on one of the more talented QB prospects and get a HaUL”. It’s pure delusion or just deflection because they don’t want to get disappointed again. Only explanation.

Don't you have some widow to make cry?


Or you just can't handle that we don't think Caleb Williams is as good as you guys believe he is?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Don't you have some widow to make cry?


Or you just can't handle that we don't think Caleb Williams is as good as you guys believe he is?

This is going to end of being the worst take of all of your worst takes, which is all of them.

Lololol

 

[gpphat]

Don't you have some widow to make cry?


Or you just can't handle that we don't think Caleb Williams is as good as you guys believe he is?

Is this fat **** still acting as if he has a clue....hey Grimace, don't you have a twitter account to plagiarize as your own thought?

 

[bears51/40]

Only on a Bears board - in a city where there hasn’t been a quarterback worth a damn in over 30 years - could one face opposition trying to get the best quarterback possible . . .

In a way I can understand that way of thinking. These are the quarterbacks I have seen start for the Bears since I became a fan.

Bill Wade
Rudy Bukich
Jack Concannon
Bobby Douglass
Gary Huff
Bob Avellini
Mike Phipps
Vince Evans
Jim McMahon
Mike Tomczak
Jim Harbaugh
Steve Walsh
Erick Kramer
Dave Krieg
Shane Matthews
Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Kordell Stewart
Craig Krenzel
Rex Grossman
Kyle Orton
Jay Cutler
Matt Barkley
Mitch Trubisky
Justin Fields

After this group of meh, after never seeing even a top 10 quarterback, I can see the group think of the haul and building around a below average QB. In this draft the Bears have the chance to change this horrid history of Quarterbacks, and people still don't want to take that chance. The Haul or a chance for a history altering QB. Pick a lane............I have.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

In a way I can understand that way of thinking. These are the quarterbacks I have seen start for the Bears since I became a fan.

Bill Wade
Rudy Bukich
Jack Concannon
Bobby Douglass
Gary Huff
Bob Avellini
Mike Phipps
Vince Evans
Jim McMahon
Mike Tomczak
Jim Harbaugh
Steve Walsh
Erick Kramer
Dave Krieg
Shane Matthews
Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Kordell Stewart
Craig Krenzel
Rex Grossman
Kyle Orton
Jay Cutler
Matt Barkley
Mitch Trubisky
Justin Fields

After this group of meh, after never seeing even a top 10 quarterback, I can see the group think of the haul and building around a below average QB. In this draft the Bears have the chance to change this horrid history of Quarterbacks, and people still don't want to take that chance. The Haul or a chance for a history altering QB. Pick a lane............I have.

You also know Ryan Leif was a history-making quarterback as well as JaMarcus Russell - historic all time busts.

And you guys want the next one...

 

[Bearcub13]

Only on a Bears board - in a city where there hasn’t been a quarterback worth a damn in over 30 years - could one face opposition trying to get the best quarterback possible . . .

Well, Mr. Buster, you think you understand what is going on, but you don't. The controversy, in your mind is "why doesn't everybody agree with me?" So to prove you are a toddler in adult clothes (I am making an assumption on that one, who knows what kind of clothes you wear )you throw everybody else under the bus. Classy...

 

[bears51/40]

You also know Ryan Leif was a history-making quarterback as well as JaMarcus Russell - historic all time busts.

And you guys want the next one...

How many historically great quarterbacks do you want me to list Manning, and Rodgers come to mind. All these years the Bears have played it safe, and you continue to want them to do so. Your way simply has not worked.

 

[PhilEBuster]

You also know Ryan Leif was a history-making quarterback as well as JaMarcus Russell - historic all time busts.

And you guys want the next one...

Ryan Leif? . . .

 

[Bearcub13]

How many historically great quarterbacks do you want me to list Manning, and Rodgers come to mind. All these years the Bears have played it safe, and you continue to want them to do so. Your way simply has not worked.

Rodgers was drafted with the 24th pick....23 teams did not think he was the real deal. There is no magical QB equation tha takes the risks out of draft picks.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Ryan Leif? . . .

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

How many historically great quarterbacks do you want me to list Manning, and Rodgers come to mind. All these years the Bears have played it safe, and you continue to want them to do so. Your way simply has not worked.

Come back to me with how many of those greats were drafted with the #1 overall pick in the last 30 years. Only people who come to mind are the Mannings - otherwise all those greats weren't taken with the first overall pick...

Pretty much kills your argument of needing to take a QB with #1 overall or else you're afraid of greatness (which is a stupid fucking argument made by stupid fucking people who have the brain of a child).

 

[DB012031]

I don’t want to defend Shanahan too much. But I will say…he at least has gotten his team to the Superbowl a couple of times. But yeah, he has outsmarted himself in the big game now 3 times, once as OC and twice as HC.

I also think people forget the story on Reid pre-Mahomes. He was 0-4 in NFC games in PHI before finally making it to a Superbowl and he lost. For the first like 5 years at KC, they didn’t even make it to the conference championship game. They only took off on building this dynasty when Mahomes became the full time starter in 2018.

Yep. Mahomes was the missing piece as Kansas City was already a playoff team before he got there. I think too many people overlook the great situation that Mahomes walked into: Playoff ready team, Very solid offensive minded coach. Very solid Defensive Coordinator. It was just a matter of time.

People act like if the Bears drafted Mahomes we would have had the same success. We have had shit coaching for years, horrible roster management and construction, terrible offensive coordinators, the list goes on. The cold hard truth is that if we had drafted Mahomes, no one would be talking about him. He'd be either an average QB, at best, or hell, he'd be out of the league due to concussions...

 

[bears51/40]

Rodgers was drafted with the 24th pick....23 teams did not think he was the real deal. There is no magical QB equation tha takes the risks out of draft picks.

I agree there is always risk in the draft..............but there is also reward. If a GM is afraid of that risk, you would not want him working for your team would you.

 

[remydat]

Yep. Mahomes was the missing piece as Kansas City was already a playoff team before he got there. I think too many people overlook the great situation that Mahomes walked into: Playoff ready team, Very solid offensive minded coach. Very solid Defensive Coordinator. It was just a matter of time.

People act like if the Bears drafted Mahomes we would have had the same success. We have had shit coaching for years, horrible roster management and construction, terrible offensive coordinators, the list goes on. The cold hard truth is that if we had drafted Mahomes, no one would be talking about him. He'd be either an average QB, at best, or hell, he'd be out of the league due to concussions...

Trubisky is not out of the league. More likely if we drafted him we win the SB in 2018. There is no scenario where Mahomes does worse than Trubisky did in 2018 IMO. If Trubisky could get 27 TDs on the 2018 Bears with Matt Nagy then Mahomes could certainly get 35-40 IMO.

 

[1ke]

Are you serious? 7-8 players on defense away? WTF dude. Have you not paid attention to how many resources they have already put in that defense in the last 2 years?

I posted this previously, but here it is again:

• 2nd round picks on Gordan, Brisker, Dexter, Stevenson, Sweat (2nd round pick plus the contract for Sweat)
• 3rd round pick on Pickens
• FA money to Edmunds, Edwards, Walker, Jones, Billings

The Bears need to add a pass rusher to the defense and it is ready to compete in the playoffs.

They need depth everywhere, but I would argue that is true of every team in the NFL. You always need or want more depth.

Really, if you pay much attention to what kind of teams make the playoffs then in my opinion it becomes rather obvious:

The teams with elite QB's are pretty much always in the playoff hunt. It really does make a difference when you have that guy that can make the plays when you need them. I have no idea if Williams is going to be one of those guys, but he seems to have the tools that he could become one. For various reasons, so far it doesn't look like Fields is one of them.

Beyond that, teams that have a good run of staying healthy, especially to key starters, can make a run at the playoffs or in the playoffs. I think I read a while back that about half the teams change in the playoffs from year to year. And a lot of it often comes down to which team was able to stay healthy in a given year.

I would argue that the last couple of Bears teams that made the playoffs fall into that category. They were good teams that stayed healthy, their depth wasn't really tested, and they were able to make the playoffs. And then they can't get back into the playoffs due to injuries along with not having an elite QB when they have had those good teams.

Obviously, QB is a key starter and if your elite QB gets hurt, you're probably fucked. I think the Colts had that famous quote regarding Manning on that for why they didn't give reps to the back-up. It was along the lines of "If 18 gets hurt, we're fucked. And we don't practice fucked".

I think the Bears need.....

A quality DT to go next to Dexter.
A big boy prospect DE opposite of Tez.
A proper FS for obvious reasons

That's defense alone and I didn't even get to the depth part or the specialist part. Like a pure pass rushing specialist either edge or inside.

Guard
Center
WR 2....

TE 2
Maybe a Tackle
WR 3

That's six huge needs. So yes.... 8 players short of competitive playoff runs

 

[bears51/40]

Come back to me with how many of those greats were drafted with the #1 overall pick in the last 30 years. Only people who come to mind are the Mannings - otherwise all those greats weren't taken with the first overall pick...

Pretty much kills your argument of needing to take a QB with #1 overall or else you're afraid of greatness (which is a stupid fucking argument made by stupid fucking people who have the brain of a child).

Afraid of greatness at Quarterback...........what Bears fan has ever seen greatness in any QB they have ever drafted? I am all for taking a shot at greatness at that position this year.

As for the quarterbacks in the time frame you gave. I would say that there are five I would say are or were great quarterbacks. Two that are out and out busts that never lasted more than a year or two. Two more that had injuries that forced them from the league, one who was rookie of the year. Also, two of those busts were on expansion teams. Two more quarterbacks that went #1 overall that I would label TBD.