Can anyone honestly look at the rosters of the 4 Championship teams that competed to be in the Super Bowl, and think we're only a Caleb Williams away?

[Mighty Joe Young]

Afraid of greatness at Quarterback...........what Bears fan has ever seen greatness in any QB they have ever drafted? I am all for taking a shot at greatness at that position this year.

As for the quarterbacks in the time frame you gave. I would say that there are five I would say are or were great quarterbacks. Two that are out and out busts that never lasted more than a year or two. Two more that had injuries that forced them from the league, one who was rookie of the year. Also, two of those busts were on expansion teams. Two more quarterbacks that went #1 overall that I would label TBD.

My point is, you don't find greatness. Greatness finds you. Its all luck. All you can do as a team is to put a QB in the best position to become great - if you are a team that drafts a guy only to try and change him to fit a system, you'll never find greatness. And unfortunately, the Bears just have had a long line of offensive coaches who tried to change QBs to fit their systems rather than fit their systems around what a QB does well.

 

[PhilEBuster]

They say the musicians on the Titanic continued to play even as the ship went down, their music providing a deceptively dignified backdrop to the screams of those coming to terms with their eventual end.

What instrument do you play, @Mighty Joe Young? . . .

 

[bears51/40]

My point is, you don't find greatness. Greatness finds you. Its all luck. All you can do as a team is to put a QB in the best position to become great - if you are a team that drafts a guy only to try and change him to fit a system, you'll never find greatness. And unfortunately, the Bears just have had a long line of offensive coaches who tried to change QBs to fit their systems rather than fit their systems around what a QB does well.

For once I can agree............the Bears have never put Fields in an offense that fits his strengths. That staff is still in place, the only changes are the names of the offense staff. Same shit..........different shovel. At least Waldron has worked with Williams the last few off seasons through Shanahan's QB Collective. If you like Fields give him a fresh start with a different team.

 

[Xplosive]

In a way I can understand that way of thinking. These are the quarterbacks I have seen start for the Bears since I became a fan.

Bill Wade
Rudy Bukich
Jack Concannon
Bobby Douglass
Gary Huff
Bob Avellini
Mike Phipps
Vince Evans
Jim McMahon
Mike Tomczak
Jim Harbaugh
Steve Walsh
Erick Kramer
Dave Krieg
Shane Matthews
Cade McNown
Jim Miller
Kordell Stewart
Craig Krenzel
Rex Grossman
Kyle Orton
Jay Cutler
Matt Barkley
Mitch Trubisky
Justin Fields

After this group of meh, after never seeing even a top 10 quarterback, I can see the group think of the haul and building around a below average QB. In this draft the Bears have the chance to change this horrid history of Quarterbacks, and people still don't want to take that chance. The Haul or a chance for a history altering QB. Pick a lane............I have.

McMahon was very good, too many injuries...

Harbaugh was good, old roster with inferior receiving options...

Kramer was good, OLine, roster and coaching inferior...

Cutler was very good, OLine inferior and talent inconsistent..

Fields is good, OLine receivers and coaching have been inferior.

It's not 30 years of terrible QBs, but it has been 30 years of terrible offensive lines, receivers, and coaching that has been the real problem.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

For once I can agree............the Bears have never put Fields in an offense that fits his strengths. That staff is still in place, the only changes are the names of the offense staff. Same shit..........different shovel. At least Waldron has worked with Williams the last few off seasons through Shanahan's QB Collective. If you like Fields give him a fresh start with a different team.

I think if you look at the coaches they brought in, all of them now have experience developing talent. I think they finally have a decent staff for this in place - for Fields or whomever.

 

[Canth]

I think the Bears need.....

A quality DT to go next to Dexter.
A big boy prospect DE opposite of Tez.
A proper FS for obvious reasons

That's defense alone and I didn't even get to the depth part or the specialist part. Like a pure pass rushing specialist either edge or inside.

Guard
Center
WR 2....

TE 2
Maybe a Tackle
WR 3

That's six huge needs. So yes.... 8 players short of competitive playoff runs

I see what you are saying now. I thought you had been saying they needed 7-8 new starters just on defense - hence my wtf.

So yeah, in general I agree with what you are saying. I just think they have enough cap space and draft picks already to be able to address most of those needs while still keeping pick #1 and assuming they get at least a 2nd rounder for Fields.

 

[EDPeezy]

The Bears don’t need 8 players to compete. Complete bullshit acting like every competitive team with Super Bowl aspirations is loaded at every position and has depth at every position. Every body has weaknesses. The Chiefs suck at WR. Their tackles were shit all year and they overpaid for them. They could have easily lost the Ravens and 49ers games. The 49ers special teams is maybe the worst in the league. Buffalo can’t run the ball. Detroit‘s defense isn’t very good.

People try to make ridiculously stupid claims or absolutes like “unless we have so and so we can never win.” Of course you can, “if we don’t get A,B and C it impossible to win a Super Bowl.” Like every freaking team that has ever won a Super Bowl has Pro Bowlers and All Pro’s at every level of the offense and defense. Do you not have eyes? Have you ever watched a game? I’m not going to spend all day going through Super Bowl winners and pointing out their weaknesses. I shouldn't have to anyway. There’s no way you haven’t watched flawed teams make big playoff runs and even win Super Bowls.

 

[UChiLAbear]

McMahon was very good, too many injuries...

Harbaugh was good, old roster with inferior receiving options...

Kramer was good, OLine, roster and coaching inferior...

Cutler was very good, OLine inferior and talent inconsistent..

Fields is good, OLine receivers and coaching have been inferior.

It's not 30 years of terrible QBs, but it has been 30 years of terrible offensive lines, receivers, and coaching that has been the real problem.

Bill Wade was very good, Rudy Bukich was very good and Papa Bear did him wrong, Concannon was a Cutler type not knowing which QB would show up but had the arm like Cutler, besides the ones you mentioned. Plus, there are probably 15-20 more in that time frame that started at least 1 game. His list is actual on the short side.

 

[1ke]

I see what you are saying now. I thought you had been saying they needed 7-8 new starters just on defense - hence my wtf.

So yeah, in general I agree with what you are saying. I just think they have enough cap space and draft picks already to be able to address most of those needs while still keeping pick #1 and assuming they get at least a 2nd rounder for Fields.

Haha.

I was thinking to myself is that really that outrageous??

All good, and I agree with you. I think FA will solve a solid chunk of the issues and clean some things up making the draft easier to predict.

 

[remydat]

My point is, you don't find greatness. Greatness finds you. Its all luck. All you can do as a team is to put a QB in the best position to become great - if you are a team that drafts a guy only to try and change him to fit a system, you'll never find greatness. And unfortunately, the Bears just have had a long line of offensive coaches who tried to change QBs to fit their systems rather than fit their systems around what a QB does well.

What an asinine statement. It is pretty lucky if you find Brock Purdy with the last pick in the draft. It is not luck if you take the consensus top QB with the first pick and he becomes a stud.

 

[bears51/40]

Bill Wade was very good, Rudy Bukich was very good and Papa Bear did him wrong, Concannon was a Cutler type not knowing which QB would show up but had the arm like Cutler, besides the ones you mentioned. Plus, there are probably 15-20 more in that time frame that started at least 1 game. His list is actual on the short side.

That list was based on the quarterbacks who started the bulk of each season. Bill Wade had a good year on the 1963 championship team, Rudy Bukich had a career year in 1965. Very good for the Bears for one year only. Cutler due to his talent was the most frustrating QB in Bears history. All that talent and he lost as many games as he won in his career. He could have and should have been so much more. On that list Jim McMahon was my favorite QB,,,,,,...# 5 pick the Bears got that one right. Rookie of the year, Super Bowl champ. Done in by injuries, some of them self inflicted by being too reckless but not the one that ended his career.

 

[bears51/40]

McMahon was very good, too many injuries...

Harbaugh was good, old roster with inferior receiving options...

Kramer was good, OLine, roster and coaching inferior...

Cutler was very good, OLine inferior and talent inconsistent..

Fields is good, OLine receivers and coaching have been inferior.

It's not 30 years of terrible QBs, but it has been 30 years of terrible offensive lines, receivers, and coaching that has been the real problem.

Let's just say we will agree to disagree on most of those names, except Jim McMahon.

 

[truthbedamned]

Things that can be done to improve the Bears that don't include the Big Haul.

Use free agency............DE, C, Safety, WR would be a good start.
Trade Fields for a mini haul.
Use two top ten picks for Quality over Quantity starting with the quarterback position.
Use the rest of the draft for BPA.
Use post draft to help fill the bottom of the roster.

Wait wait wait. Fields isn't good enough to be a Bear but he is good enough to trade for a minihaul?

God....joining cults is not a good thing. Rarely ends well.

 

[jsu34]

There are possible teams that may overpay for Fields.

But in all this QB and offense discussion, let's not forget that KC has a much better overall team than people are giving them credit for.

For instance, their D held the #1, 2, 4, and 6 ranked offense under 20 points in the playoffs (15.5 to be exact).

Time to give them credit for having more than just a GOAT level QB, which they do have and makes them near impossible to beat.

 

[inchibearfan]

Wait wait wait. Fields isn't good enough to be a Bear but he is good enough to trade for a minihaul?

God....joining cults is not a good thing. Rarely ends well.

I think he will get a second round pick, much more equivalent to Sam Darnold. If he was good, the Bears would be getting multiple first round picks for compensation.

 

[TexasBearfan]

i'm spent at this point, i watched a bunch of caleb williams the last couple days and he's rarely on schedule although who would know the Oline is horrendous....he looks to me like Kyler Murray and Justin Fields had a baby.....I don't think Fields wins us a super bowl but the scary thing i noticed is Williams throws up a lot of prayers. fields is a way better deep ball guy.

my initial feeling, neither is our guy.....at this point i'm like sign kirk cousins, take the haul AND trade fields

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

i'm spent at this point, i watched a bunch of caleb williams the last couple days and he's rarely on schedule although who would know the Oline is horrendous....he looks to me like Kyler Murray and Justin Fields had a baby.....I don't think Fields wins us a super bowl but the scary thing i noticed is Williams throws up a lot of prayers. fields is a way better deep ball guy.

my initial feeling, neither is our guy.....at this point i'm like sign kirk cousins, take the haul AND trade fields

So let me get this straight... your solution is to trade the QB half the fanbase loves, skip on a potential generational QB on a rookie contract and then sign 36 year old Cousins coming off a torn Achilles for probably $30M+?

Did I get this right?

 

[UChiLAbear]

That list was based on the quarterbacks who started the bulk of each season. Bill Wade had a good year on the 1963 championship team, Rudy Bukich had a career year in 1965. Very good for the Bears for one year only. Cutler due to his talent was the most frustrating QB in Bears history. All that talent and he lost as many games as he won in his career. He could have and should have been so much more. On that list Jim McMahon was my favorite QB,,,,,,...# 5 pick the Bears got that one right. Rookie of the year, Super Bowl champ. Done in by injuries, some of them self inflicted by being too reckless but not the one that ended his career.

I must have missed the part of your post that read..."who started the bulk of each season"....if I missed it, then it's on me. Never liked or cared for Cutler...the other 3 mentioned in this post have rings. Wade had a few good years.

 

[truthbedamned]

Good to see you learned something from your Qanon days.

Says the guy wearing a MAGA hat.

Says the two biggest trolls and liars on the site. Good job

 

[bamainatlanta]

Gentlemen, no politics please