CBS Mock - Free Agency Update

[TL1961]

Latest CBS mock...

1. Nyg- Cam Ward
2. Cle- Travis Hunter
3. Tenn- Abdul Carter
4. Nep- Will Campbell
5. Jax- Mason Graham
6. Lvr- Ashton Jeanty
7. Nyj- Tetaiora McMillan
8. Car- Jihad Campbell
9. N.O- Armand Membou






...Thoughts?

 

[DC]

Cole gunna be pissed! Maybe even choke Hoge out!

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

The #10 and the #41 to move up and get Abdul Carter.

 

[SugarWalls]

The UDFA blocking TE? Are you using him as an example of what a consensus top 20 first round draft pick will do?

How about since you don’t like my example of pitts you share some historical data that supports your opinion of drafting a TE very high

 

[Probie2429]

Good teams in the NFL run their offenses through their TEs. This would be a luxury pick but a good one if you feel Warren is legit.

 

[dabears70]

Bye Bye Tyler Warren.

Bears re-sign TE Stephen Carlson​

MSN

 

[playthrough2001]

I've got a bad 2014 Bears Draft vibe with Ryan Poles running the show.

Every offseason it's the same. Poles will start off with a couple solid moves that makes you think he finally gets it, then he follows that up by giving a 3 sack DE 16 million dollars a year to replace the last 3 sack DE that he just cut.

Then gives over 14 million dollars a season to a 32 year old(in April) DT that was still such a difference maker at a vital position that Atlanta released him out right.

It's as if Ryan Poles is trying to build a dollar store version in one offseason of what Campbell and Johnson spent 2 years of building from the inside out with young draft talent before they used a first round pick on Gibbs, or heaven forbid a TE.


Ryan Poles IS going to f%ck this up and its not hard to tell because he already is.

Biff is spot on with his Fletcher Cox comparison to Walter Nolen dead to rights. Ryan Poles is going to pass in Nolen so that he can reach for a GUARD, SHADE DT or waste a pick on a HB.

Poles is going to pass on yet another real difference maker like Carter and Bowers for a.solid player instead because he's the "football guy" running the franchise into the ground while viewing his correct critics and skeptics a bunch of grunts in the Mom's basements making "outside noise".

Someone should open up a pinned draft thread so everyone can enter a final mock and then lock it after the draft and UDFA then revisit the thread after the season to see how it goes. Can Ryan Poles draft better than Mom's basement.

I bet you multiple posters make him look foolish


For the love of GOD, Kevim.Warren DO NOT extend this putz if they haven't already.

I guess drafting Walter Nolen will make him an instant genius.

Do you think Poles added Dayo in a vacuum? Don’t you think Dennis Allen had a big say with this pick up?

 

[dabears70]

Jaquan Brisker responds to CeeDee Lamb calling Bears trash​

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1900268084658934053

 

[dentfan]

Who? Warren?

I made a post in a thread earlier but it looks like it got deleted. It was talking about taking Golden at #10. So I'll re-type it here, cause it makes sense when considering any pass-catching position with #10.

I think it's a pretty safe bet to think that the Bears will have a similar target distribution as the Lions the last couple years. Just for time's sake, looking at last year, the Lions had 522 targets in the passing game total:

Amon-Ra had 141. Williams had 91. LaPorta had 83. Gibbs and Montgomery had 101 combined. That left only 106 for everyone else, Tim Patrick being the next highest at 44. #2 TE Brock Wright had 16 targets on the season. So where would any high-level pass catcher slot in without significantly cutting into the targets of anyone else? They wouldn't. You could expect Moore and Odunze to dominate targets from the WRs (as they should) while Kmet dominates TE targets and Swift + whoever else is at RB (probably a rookie of some sort) get those RB targets.

Pass catcher should probably not be in consideration until the 3rd round at the earliest where you're looking to bring in competition for Tyler Scott, at least at this point.

I think you’re backing me away from the ledge on this. It’ll probably be a rush end, and they can hopefully draft Bech in the 3rd.

 

[Xplosive]

How about since you don’t like my example of pitts you share some historical data that supports your opinion of drafting a TE very high

Do you think history has anything to do with what will happen in sports? There are too many variables to draw absolute conclusions.

The game is changing so what you can draw from history is that more TEs are being drafted and utilized in modern offenses.

 

[modo]

No way they draft a TE at 10

Edge is too important and there are viable choices there. So is WR.

 

[napo55]

No way they draft a TE at 10

Edge is too important and there are viable choices there. So is WR.

Depends on the players available at 10. Is Warren equivalent to Travis Kelce? If so, he would be under serious consideration. Other than Mahomes, Kelce has probably been the most valuable player on the Chiefs.

Will there be Edges or WRs at 10 who would be equally or even more valuable to the Bears? What is the quality of players at 39 and 41 likely to be at those positions?
This is the process that should be followed.

 

[I Just Want To Read]

Former QB is also a major plus in Johnson's system.

 

[Xplosive]

2024 Top Tight End Performance...

1. Brock Bowers - 1207 Yscr - 153 targets
2. Trey Mcbride - 1148 Yscr - 147 targets
3. Geroge Kittle - 1106 Yscr - 94 targets

4. Jonnu Smith - 883 Yscr - 111 targets
5. Travis Kelce - 824 Yscr - 133 targets
6. Sam Laporta - 726 Yscr - 83 targets
7. Tucker Kraft - 713 Yscr - 70 targets

8. Mark Andrews - 678 Yscr - 69 targets
9. Hunter Henry - 674 Yscr - 97 targets
10. Mike Gesicki - 665 Yscr - 83 targets
11. Zack Ertz - 664 Yscr - 91 targets
12. Pat Freirmuth - 653 Yscr - 78 targets
...
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...
...
25. Cole Kmet - 474 Yscr - 55 targets


***2023 Cole Kmet - 721 Yscr - 90 targets***
2nd on the team in snaps with 878 and 2nd on the team with 90 targets versus only 61 targets for Darnell Mooney
(DJ Moore 1st with 136 tgts)


What you see here is that Cole Kmet's best year was the one year when he was getting an excessive amount of targets compared to the third option (#2 WR Mooney). Even with the offense forcing additional targets his way, he still only had an average amount of production compared to what the best TE's are getting.

The Kmet hype is overblown, he is good but not elite. He won't be getting excessive targets with Rome Odunze and DJ on the team, not to mention D'Andre Swift who had 52 targets last season as well. Kmet might end up getting 10-20 more targets and perhaps end up with about 650-700 yards next season in a better scheme if used properly. He's still a long way from being one of the top TE's in the NFL but he isn't terrible either.

With that said, Warren has a much higher ceiling and versatility than Kmet does. Another TE will also help in pass protection which is more useful than a 5'8 211lb running back that can't block and will have to split time with Swift anyway.

 

[Nelly]

2024 Top Tight End Performance...

1. Brock Bowers - 1207 Yscr - 153 targets
2. Trey Mcbride - 1148 Yscr - 147 targets
3. Geroge Kittle - 1106 Yscr - 94 targets

4. Jonnu Smith - 883 Yscr - 111 targets
5. Travis Kelce - 824 Yscr - 133 targets
6. Sam Laporta - 726 Yscr - 83 targets
7. Tucker Kraft - 713 Yscr - 70 targets

8. Mark Andrews - 678 Yscr - 69 targets
9. Hunter Henry - 674 Yscr - 97 targets
10. Mike Gesicki - 665 Yscr - 83 targets
11. Zack Ertz - 664 Yscr - 91 targets
12. Pat Freirmuth - 653 Yscr - 78 targets
...
...
...
...
25. Cole Kmet - 474 Yscr - 55 targets


***2023 Cole Kmet - 721 Yscr - 90 targets***
2nd on the team in snaps with 878 and 2nd on the team with 90 targets versus only 61 targets for Darnell Mooney
(DJ Moore 1st with 136 tgts)


What you see here is that Cole Kmet's best year was the one year when he was getting an excessive amount of targets compared to the third option (#2 WR Mooney). Even with the offense forcing additional targets his way, he still only had an average amount of production compared to what the best TE's are getting.

The Kmet hype is overblown, he is good but not elite. He won't be getting excessive targets with Rome Odunze and DJ on the team, not to mention D'Andre Swift who had 52 targets last season as well. Kmet might end up getting 10-20 more targets and perhaps end up with about 650-700 yards next season in a better scheme if used properly. He's still a long way from being one of the top TE's in the NFL but he isn't terrible either.

With that said, Warren has a much higher ceiling and versatility than Kmet does. Another TE will also help in pass protection which is more useful than a 5'8 211lb running back that can't block and will have to split time with Swift anyway.

I don't think anyone is looking for Kmet to be Travis Kelce or anything. He shouldn't be anything more than a 3rd option along with a sure-handed, big red zone target with Moore and Odunze as options 1A and 1B. He just needs to be solid. Considering the money invested in him, it's unlikely we draft a guy at #10 to basically relegate Kmet to obscurity.

 

[bamainatlanta]

2024 Top Tight End Performance...

1. Brock Bowers - 1207 Yscr - 153 targets
2. Trey Mcbride - 1148 Yscr - 147 targets
3. Geroge Kittle - 1106 Yscr - 94 targets

4. Jonnu Smith - 883 Yscr - 111 targets
5. Travis Kelce - 824 Yscr - 133 targets
6. Sam Laporta - 726 Yscr - 83 targets
7. Tucker Kraft - 713 Yscr - 70 targets

8. Mark Andrews - 678 Yscr - 69 targets
9. Hunter Henry - 674 Yscr - 97 targets
10. Mike Gesicki - 665 Yscr - 83 targets
11. Zack Ertz - 664 Yscr - 91 targets
12. Pat Freirmuth - 653 Yscr - 78 targets
...
...
...
...
25. Cole Kmet - 474 Yscr - 55 targets


***2023 Cole Kmet - 721 Yscr - 90 targets***
2nd on the team in snaps with 878 and 2nd on the team with 90 targets versus only 61 targets for Darnell Mooney
(DJ Moore 1st with 136 tgts)


What you see here is that Cole Kmet's best year was the one year when he was getting an excessive amount of targets compared to the third option (#2 WR Mooney). Even with the offense forcing additional targets his way, he still only had an average amount of production compared to what the best TE's are getting.

The Kmet hype is overblown, he is good but not elite. He won't be getting excessive targets with Rome Odunze and DJ on the team, not to mention D'Andre Swift who had 52 targets last season as well. Kmet might end up getting 10-20 more targets and perhaps end up with about 650-700 yards next season in a better scheme if used properly. He's still a long way from being one of the top TE's in the NFL but he isn't terrible either.

With that said, Warren has a much higher ceiling and versatility than Kmet does. Another TE will also help in pass protection which is more useful than a 5'8 211lb running back that can't block and will have to split time with Swift anyway.

you are typing a lot for something that just isn’t happening lol. Good job at using the #1 or #2 receiving options on most teams to a guy who stays in to block most of the time and also was the 4th option on his team. I really don’t get your point here but it’s funny watching you trying to convince everyone that Warren will be selected at #10 or is even worth considering. He’s a 5th year player, which is not necessarily a good thing. Bowers was elite in his 3rd year while Warren was easily not elite until this past season. 5th year players that dominate in college don’t usually dominate in the NFL. There is a long history of 5th year dominant players —regardless of any position— that don’t have the success they did in their 5th year in college. Just let it go already.

 

[Les Grossman]

Kmet should be getting like 800 yards and 10 TDs a year. He really should be an effective chain mover and easy outlet for CW.

But our OCs have completely ignored him from the gameplan week in and week out

 

[Xplosive]

I don't think anyone is looking for Kmet to be Travis Kelce or anything. He shouldn't be anything more than a 3rd option along with a sure-handed, big red zone target with Moore and Odunze as options 1A and 1B. He just needs to be solid. Considering the money invested in him, it's unlikely we draft a guy at #10 to basically relegate Kmet to obscurity.

I doubt they would relegate him to obscurity. He would probably still get more targets this season 70/50 possibly. Warren is just more versatile and adds things that Kmet can't do.

Last season there were 566 attempts for the Bears (Detroit had 551)

DJ had 141 targets and Rome had 101... I expect closer to 130/130 for both this season = 260 targets (2500 yrds)
Swift = 50 targets (400 yds)
Kmet = 70 targets (700 yds)
Warren = 50 targets (600 yds)
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430 targets

(130 left to go around)
WR3 - 60 targets (500 yds)
WR4 - 40 targets (400 yds)
RB2 - 30 targets (200 yds)

Caleb Williams = 560 attempts 5,300 yds passing (Franchise QB confirmed)

****Of course these are rough estimates, for exampel: Kmet isn't likely getting 700 yards off of 70 targets when it took him 90 to get 700 yards in the past. Caleb will still end up over 4,000 yards however with this type of variety in receiving options.****

 

[Xplosive]

Kmet should be getting like 800 yards and 10 TDs a year. He really should be an effective chain mover and easy outlet for CW.

But our OCs have completely ignored him from the gameplan week in and week out

Based on what, exactly? He was peppered with 90 targets and barely got 700. He got almost every redzone toss up that year. He is not an 800 yd 10 TD receiving option and won't be the #2 option in this offense unless there are multiple injuries.

 

[Nelly]

I doubt they would relegate him to obscurity. He would probably still get more targets this season 70/50 possibly. Warren is just more versatile and adds things that Kmet can't do.

Last season there were 566 attempts for the Bears (Detroit had 551)

DJ had 141 targets and Rome had 101... I expect closer to 130/130 for both this season = 260 targets (2500 yrds)
Swift = 50 targets (400 yds)
Kmet = 70 targets (700 yds)
Warren = 50 targets (600 yds)
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430 targets

(130 left to go around)
WR3 - 60 targets (500 yds)
WR4 - 40 targets (400 yds)
RB2 - 30 targets (200 yds)

Caleb Williams = 560 attempts 5,300 yds passing (Franchise QB confirmed)

I certainly wouldn't be upset with that. Moore/Odunze/Warren might be able to challenge for best 2WR/1TE combo in the league if things go well for us but I still think Kmet gets this year to prove himself in a real, big boy offense before we go spending a top 10 pick on a tight end. Personally, I think DE is the most likely position we target at #10. Poles just said in his press conference that you can never have too many pass rushers and we really still only have 3 DTs and 3 DEs you would want playing any significant snaps. Add a DE with big-time potential and you can move Odeyingbo and Sweat all over the line to try to create some mismatches.