CBS Mock - Free Agency Update

[Kurtosis]

I won’t let this slander of a fellow St. Viator Lion stand.

 

[Xplosive]

I certainly wouldn't be upset with that. Moore/Odunze/Warren might be able to challenge for best 2WR/1TE combo in the league if things go well for us but I still think Kmet gets this year to prove himself in a real, big boy offense before we go spending a top 10 pick on a tight end. Personally, I think DE is the most likely position we target at #10. Poles just said in his press conference that you can never have too many pass rushers and we really still only have 3 DTs and 3 DEs you would want playing any significant snaps. Add a DE with big-time potential and you can move Odeyingbo and Sweat all over the line to try to create some mismatches.

Poles also said: But, I'm happy with where we are right now... So I think its safe to say he just doesn't want to give away his draft plans in a press conference. The key for me is that Warren is unique in his ability to play in multiple formations. As a former QB he is a dangerous option in the wildcat formation and although he is the same size as Kmet he is much more agile and also can run the ball like a fullback.

If they pass on him in the first there are other strictly receiving options available in later rounds but none of them have that versatility. On the other hand the DE/DT options that fit Dennis Allen's scheme are all similar and can be found in round two or later. The Bears can easily get Warren in round 1 and then T. Williams/L. Jackson/D. Alexander/Tuimoloau/A. Collins... etcetera.

Just because they take Warren it doesn't mean they can't find a backup DE3 that has just as much upside as whoever is there at #10.

 

[bamainatlanta]

lol at this thread.

 

[TL1961]

It seems that TE is one of the positions hardest to gauge, though it seems it should be easiest.

Top TE's go in mid rounds and TE's drafted #4 - I'm looking at you, Kyle Pitts - barely make an impact.

#10 is too high for any TE, and I worry that Warren won't be a great NFL TE. I would not want him at #10, and maybe not at #20.

 

[SugarWalls]

Poles also said: But, I'm happy with where we are right now... So I think its safe to say he just doesn't want to give away his draft plans in a press conference. The key for me is that Warren is unique in his ability to play in multiple formations. As a former QB he is a dangerous option in the wildcat formation and although he is the same size as Kmet he is much more agile and also can run the ball like a fullback.

If they pass on him in the first there are other strictly receiving options available in later rounds but none of them have that versatility. On the other hand the DE/DT options that fit Dennis Allen's scheme are all similar and can be found in round two or later. The Bears can easily get Warren in round 1 and then T. Williams/L. Jackson/D. Alexander/Tuimoloau/A. Collins... etcetera.

Just because they take Warren it doesn't mean they can't find a backup DE3 that has just as much upside as whoever is there at #10.

remember that one time you were the biggest haul advocate and claimed the bears would keep JF RB1? I remember it well

 

[pseudonym]

Cole Kmet had the highest catch % in the nfl the last two years. Literally the most reliable target in the NFL.

He was top 15 in both separation yardage and cushion yardage.

If you watch the tape he is open plenty but caleb is either blind or waldron didnt scheme for him.

Big Johnson will have him have a career year

Agree

 

[pseudonym]

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...Thoughts?

Banks, Mykel, Warren, Booker—there are options.

 

[--CyBear--]

My issue with this is that guy is a lot like Kmet, probably with a little better route running but short arms. If I want that extra TE (3rd WR) type I trade down and take Loveland. If Loveland is there in 2, it's not unlikely that BJ wants him. He's said this is a different O then Detroit but he used a lot of 2 TE sets instead of extra WR on 3rd down in Detroit and Loveland is the better route guy with a much greater catch radius.

 

[Nelly]

My issue with this is that guy is a lot like Kmet, probably with a little better route running but short arms. If I want that extra TE (3rd WR) type I trade down and take Loveland. If Loveland is there in 2, it's not unlikely that BJ wants him. He's said this is a different O then Detroit but he used a lot of 2 TE sets instead of extra WR on 3rd down in Detroit and Loveland is the better route guy with a much greater catch radius.

Loveland seems like a surefire round 1 talent.

 

[Nelly]

Poles also said: But, I'm happy with where we are right now... So I think its safe to say he just doesn't want to give away his draft plans in a press conference. The key for me is that Warren is unique in his ability to play in multiple formations. As a former QB he is a dangerous option in the wildcat formation and although he is the same size as Kmet he is much more agile and also can run the ball like a fullback.

If they pass on him in the first there are other strictly receiving options available in later rounds but none of them have that versatility. On the other hand the DE/DT options that fit Dennis Allen's scheme are all similar and can be found in round two or later. The Bears can easily get Warren in round 1 and then T. Williams/L. Jackson/D. Alexander/Tuimoloau/A. Collins... etcetera.

Just because they take Warren it doesn't mean they can't find a backup DE3 that has just as much upside as whoever is there at #10.

If we didn't already have a good tight end getting paid 12 million AAV then you'd have me sold. But I just think it's not a great use of resources. If you expect warren to make a big impact then that means Kmet is relegated to minimal targets as a guy who doesn't particularly excel at blocking.

 

[--CyBear--]

Loveland seems like a surefire round 1 talent.

I think so as well and why the trade down part but I've learned that Drafts can fall funny. Point was more that BJ/Poles would have a hard time passing on the guy IF he was there in 2.

 

[Xplosive]

If we didn't already have a good tight end getting paid 12 million AAV then you'd have me sold. But I just think it's not a great use of resources. If you expect warren to make a big impact then that means Kmer is relegated to minimal targets as a guy who doesn't particularly excel at blocking.

I think 2 TE sets with Kmet and Warren will be unpredictable. Having two 6'6" athletic and physical guys that can both block will help the run game...

I don't know many defenses that will be able to cover DJ/Rome/Kmet/Warren. I think that's what Ben-J wants, the ability to do multiple things out of the same lineup looks.

 

[msadows]

Kmet should be getting like 800 yards and 10 TDs a year. He really should be an effective chain mover and easy outlet for CW.

But our OCs have completely ignored him from the gameplan week in and week out

This is what imploder doesnt understand

Kmet is not the focal point of this offense, its supposed to be odunze this year.

All 3 of the guys have different talents, which is what you need in a succesful offense. Getting warren would be like getting a fatter slower version of odunze.

WE ALREADY HAVE OUR TE #2 IMPLODER @ILoveDick

 

[Xplosive]

I think so as well and why the trade down part but I've learned that Drafts can fall funny. Point was more that BJ/Poles would have a hard time passing on the guy IF he was there in 2.

Loveland is much smaller and coming off a shoulder injury. He would definitely contrast better with Kmet but that may or may not be a good thing.

 

[Xplosive]

Getting warren would be like getting a fatter slower version of odunze.

 

[msadows]

Are you blackrainbows ALT? Cause he spent all last offseason telling us odunze is a tight end.

If so we dont need another tight end. May as well make a case to draft Tet from Arizona

 

[--CyBear--]

Loveland is much smaller and coming off a shoulder injury. He would definitely contrast better with Kmet but that may or may not be a good thing.

He's taller with a huge catch radius. It's a good thing if this O is similar to the last year's Lions. He's 6.6/250 with 32.75" arms. Warren plays a little stiff by comparison is .5" shorter with 31.25" arms and 5 more pounds. He's more like Kmet that we already have. Either could go before the other depending on what a team wants.

 

[--CyBear--]

This is what imploder doesnt understand

Kmet is not the focal point of this offense, its supposed to be odunze this year.

All 3 of the guys have different talents, which is what you need in a succesful offense. Getting warren would be like getting a fatter slower version of odunze.

WE ALREADY HAVE OUR TE #2 IMPLODER @ILoveDick

Not saying this would happen but the roll would be quasi 3rd WR and Loveleand fits that better.

 

[msadows]

He's taller with a huge catch radius. It's a good thing if this O is similar to the last year's Lions. He's 6.6/250 with 32.75" arms. Warren plays a little stiff by comparison is .5" shorter with 31.25" arms and 5 more pounds. He's more like Kmet that we already have. Either could go before the other depending on what a team wants.

Ben Johnson already said he's going to build the offense based on the strong suits of his players. The only guarantee is that we will run the ball a lot, but I'm not sure we need guys who fit the mold of the lions skill players.

Feels nice to (hopefully) have an offensive mind who understands you don't fit a square peg into a round hole and instead evolve your scheme to what the players strengths are. The years we had these geniuses like martz who would say they cant work with a certain player type are hopefully long over.

 

[msadows]

Not saying this would happen but the roll would be quasi 3rd WR and Loveleand fits that better.

And as I've noted many a time here, BJ typically just features his main weapons. I think the #3 WR is the guy we just signed yeterday

The #2 TE mostly just blocks, and the #3 WR mostly just runs clear routes and blocks. There are years of evidence to this during his time in detroit.

He gets his main options open so no need to have weapons all over the field if guys are doing there jobs. Based on tape last year I so no reason to be confident kmet cant work in this offense, its not his fault caleb did not see his checkdowns/shallow routes and waldron didnt feature TE's in his scheme.

If we still needed a #2 option and didnt draft Rome there would be a lot more merit to a guy like loveland or warren, but with both of those guys it just seems overkill