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You are once again ignoring key points I've made in my previous post about Wade not being that type of scorer anymore. Come on.

Shaq back in 2006 was so much better than Bosh right now, it should make your head spin. James Posey was younger and had some explosiveness back then and wasn't out of shape like he was now. Shaq said it himself- 'if we don't have Posey, we don't win that title.' And he was a rugged and tough defender. Antoine Walker was always overrated. But he was a formidable bench player to spark them. Udonis Haslem is still on the Heat, and is their best rebounder. But he will be marginalized here in 2011 due to Bosh's presense. Jason Williams and even an old Gary Payton were not scrubs. Alonzo Mourning was still a force to be reckoned with... without him, they don't win that '06 title.

All of that is great, my point was they won a title using the Atlanta Hawks offense...that was all, why the damn roll call? I know the roster, and don't agree with your assessments of some of them, but it doesn't matter. The central player was Wade. And in the finals, that is who got the ball every possession. And isolated on every possession damn near. That was their gameplan. I am not talking about the season. I am talking about the NBA finals. He beat a team singlehandedly using that style.
 

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Naw, i said the same thing to doug on facebook last night. There's something up with boston. I'm not sure what it is. I don't agree with doug that it's the perkin's trade, cause boston was a really good team this year w/o perk.

It's something else. Boston lost last night's game cause of a fluke. Rondo and davis made some really dumb mistakes down the stretch. That's not going to happen often.

What is peculiar about boston is the way they're playing. Something seems off. Right now, boston seems vulnerable to .500 teams. Miami seems invincible against anyone but elite teams. In the playoffs i expect miami to amp it up on offense. Miami's game plan against boston has to be get garnett into foul trouble. If that happens, they'll be golden. Whose going to guard the paint then? Shaq? He's a foul machine. Big baby? i dont see it.
 

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All of that is great, my point was they won a title using the Atlanta Hawks offense...that was all, why the damn roll call? I know the roster, and don't agree with your assessments of some of them, but it doesn't matter. The central player was Wade. And in the finals, that is who got the ball every possession. And isolated on every possession damn near. That was their gameplan. I am not talking about the season. I am talking about the NBA finals. He beat a team singlehandedly using that style.

Yes, I understand that. And my point was that the style was not nearly as similar as you are trying to make it seem. Unlike the current Hawks or Heat now, they had a low-post force. They also had a steady balance of offense down-the-stretch, which these Heat do not have. Wade can no longer take over games at will. Small part of that is because Wade has lost half a step since '06. But most of it is because LeBron James is now there to eat into his shots. And now they need to decide who is going to be "the scorer" down the stretch. And if they choose LeBron, they better (imo) let somebody ELSE be the PG on that team on offense!

My main point again, there is a difference.

And it's not like I am making Posey, Walker, Mourning, GP, and J-Will into All-stars with my assessment. I'm just saying none of those guys were scrubs.

Besides Wade, James, Bosh, Haslem, and maybeee Bibby... who on this current Heat team is not a scrub? Tell me that?
 

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Rami, good points on Garnett and Perkins. I'll add that Ray Allen is having a much better year statistically than last year and his shooting%/3pt% is at a career high. He's basically shooting 46% from 3. I really like the Celtics depth, only problem is is that theyre so beat up.

EDIT: Never mind on my post about the Heat. Rami nailed it.
 

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Naw, i said the same thing to doug on facebook last night. There's something up with boston. I'm not sure what it is. I don't agree with doug that it's the perkin's trade, cause boston was a really good team this year w/o perk.

It's something else. Boston lost last night's game cause of a fluke. Rondo and davis made some really dumb mistakes down the stretch. That's not going to happen often.

What is peculiar about boston is the way they're playing. Something seems off. Right now, boston seems vulnerable to .500 teams. Miami seems invincible against anyone but elite teams. In the playoffs i expect miami to amp it up on offense. Miami's game plan against boston has to be get garnett into foul trouble. If that happens, they'll be golden. Whose going to guard the paint then? Shaq? He's a foul machine. Big baby? i dont see it.

I'll grant you that Miami could play smarter on offense when it comes time for the playoffs. But it is no surprise at all that Miami is dominating those sub-.500 teams. I, like most people, predicted the Heat to have the best record in the NBA this season. And that was largely due to the fact that Miami is so athletic that they can run like 15 teams out of the gym and dunk over everybody.

I agree with Doug that the KP trade does hurt them. But Jeff Green is also a solid defender. And I actually think the trade helps Boston on offense. KG will become more assertive as a result, too. And he's a lot healthier than he was for the last 2 seasons.

If Shaq gets back (and they do need Shaq to beat the Lakers), they will not miss Perkins a whole lot because of the defensive rebounding he brings...
 

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Shaq's foul rate is kind of like kurt thomas. he's going to get beat, and beat often. Unfortunately for boston, He doesn't have the kurt thomas savy. Even worse for boston, they have to rely on that guy. I just don't see it happening. I hope you're right though. I think we'll have a much better chance to beat boston than we will the heat.

in spite of our bet, i'm rooting for boston in the miami/boston game.
 

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Dont argue with Houff, he watches the games with his own eyes.
 

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Shaq's foul rate is kind of like kurt thomas. he's going to get beat, and beat often. Unfortunately for boston, He doesn't have the kurt thomas savy. Even worse for boston, they have to rely on that guy. I just don't see it happening. I hope you're right though. I think we'll have a much better chance to beat boston than we will the heat.

in spite of our bet, i'm rooting for boston in the miami/boston game.

As for me, I predicted Boston would win the championship and that the Lakers would be their only real obstacle (despite thinking falsely that MIA would have the best reg. season record).

I still think that the Lakers are a whole different animal than anything that Boston would need to face in the Eastern Conference. And now the OKC Thunder have joined that club.

The good thing about Shaq for Boston is that he actually has a low-post game to utilize and he will marginalize Bynum. If BOS needs to have KG guard Bynum for 35-40 minutes and Jeff Green and Davis guard Gasol... it's all over for the Celtics.

But do I think Boston can get away with no Shaq against a team like Miami or even Chicago? Yes. It's not as guaranteed as it once was... but yes... and I still have Boston as a slight favorite over Chicago to win the East because of that.

As for MIA-vs-Boston... Boston has a lot of the athletic ability that Miami has and a lot more actually basketball skill. And a way better bench. That's why I think Boston will easily handle Miami in 5 or 6 games.
 

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I couldn't disagree with the title more. The Heat haven't beaten Boston or Chicago in 6 games combined. If they beat Boston in the first round, then they will be the Bulls competition, assuming the Bulls take care of Indiana and Orlando/Atlanta.
 
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More than just that, how many total pts did we win by? less than ten? I think it's around 8-10. How do you feel about that? I'm not super confident about it.
 

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The W is all that matters, a one point win counts the same as a blowout.
 

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The W is all that matters, a one point win counts the same as a blowout.

That is not the point...people assume beating Miami is some afterthought because the Bulls beat them three times...its not going to be that easy...
 

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That is not the point...people assume beating Miami is some afterthought because the Bulls beat them three times...its not going to be that easy...


The Miami team has played 0 playoff games together as currently constructed. Right now, it looks like they'll play either New York or Philly. New York did beat Miami on Miami's home court with Carmelo Anthony.

I can't take Miami seriously until they win a playoff series.

We all have seen what Boston can do, and by their strong playoff past, I see them as a bigger threat right now.

I love the Bulls, but they've got a lot to prove in the playoffs and a lot to live up to this year now.
 

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The Miami team has played 0 playoff games together as currently constructed. Right now, it looks like they'll play either New York or Philly. New York did beat Miami on Miami's home court with Carmelo Anthony.

I can't take Miami seriously until they win a playoff series.

We all have seen what Boston can do, and by their strong playoff past, I see them as a bigger threat right now.

I love the Bulls, but they've got a lot to prove in the playoffs and a lot to live up to this year now.

but you take the bulls seriously? and the celtics seriously? do they teach logic in dubuque? all those teams had a serious change to their line ups.
 

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The Bulls don't have much to prove in the playoffs, really.

The Heat threw a championship celebration before they played one game together. lebron spouting off "not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7"

The Bulls are playing with house money.
 

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That is not the point...people assume beating Miami is some afterthought because the Bulls beat them three times...its not going to be that easy...
Are you on the Miami Championship Cruise or something?

I don't see how you're "Bulls" fan, yet mostly everything you say is anti-Bulls/Rose
 

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Are you on the Miami Championship Cruise or something?

I don't see how you're "Bulls" fan, yet mostly everything you say is anti-Bulls/Rose

I am a grown man who don't think like a damn child like you do. I don't believe you are 25 years old, let alone watching the league for that long. I am an objective thinker, a realist, I have given the Bulls and Rose props many times. I don't have to kiss ANYBODY'S ass to admit greatness or superiority. It is what it is. If you grow up a bit, maybe you can have a more mature approach to the game...
 

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