Chase Daniel and Trey Wingo destroying narratives regarding Justin fields

[msadows]

Fields is toast. Do you really think the Bears want to pay 40-50 million a year to a QB that runs 10-12 times a game? Fields has already missed 10 games in 2 1/2 years. This is a Daniel jones situation all over again if they Bears pass on Williams.

I watched the video. Chase Daniel’s just said if they build around Fields he can be a top 10-15 QB. Who the heck wants that? That’s his ceiling? Being average????

I want an elite QB for once. Bears deserve it. Caleb can be a top 5 QB. I’ll take my chances with greatness vs mediocrity for a few years until fields body breaks down from injury from running the football

Your stupid rant would make sense if the league MVP didnt also run 12+ times a game and have less than 4k passing yards.

Idiots need to stop looking at the stat box and look at the stress a player puts on an opposing defense. First downs and T.O.P is what you should be looking at.

 

[Anytime23]

I'd keep the qb who's career has proven him to be in the 20th+ to 30th+ ranked qb in every passing metric

He just needs better wr, te, oline, oc, hc and weather.....oh....and a rules change to make game 3q not 4q since he somehow becomes even worse in the final 15 mins

If he plays well this weekend will you disappear like you did after den/was like the cowardly twat that you are?

 

[r1terrell23]

How is Justin playing like a top 10 QB? Atlanta was a very good game. Arizona was meh. Cleveland was bad and so was Minnesota. He made a huge leap from terrible to below average. That's good for him, but people are flat out lying about how he has played. I'm not sure why there is this mission to protect Fields when he is average on his best days. The ceiling is irrelevant if you like to party on the floor.

 

[jive]

Your stupid rant would make sense if the league MVP didnt also run 12+ times a game and have less than 4k passing yards.

Idiots need to stop looking at the stat box and look at the stress a player puts on an opposing defense. First downs and T.O.P is what you should be looking at.

But that would require actually watching the game and committing hours instead of minutes.

 

[greg23]

As always, you missed the point.

Can you add to your point the haul the bears will get by trading fields; since he's in a trajectory to become a top 10 qb: and add those players to the roster for the new qb

 

[msadows]

How is Justin playing like a top 10 QB? Atlanta was a very good game. Arizona was meh. Cleveland was bad and so was Minnesota. He made a huge leap from terrible to below average. That's good for him, but people are flat out lying about how he has played. I'm not sure why there is this mission to protect Fields when he is average on his best days. The ceiling is irrelevant if you like to party on the floor.

Because its clear improvement, and if his shitty teammates like scott, mooney and tonyan could catch then his stats would also match the clear improvement.

 

[msadows]

Can you add to your point the haul the bears will get by trading fields; since he's in a trajectory to become a top 10 qb: and add those players to the roster for the new qb

They would get a haul for caleb tho, and when caleb busts they can use that #1 pick in 2025 to draft your mom.

 

[greg23]

Because its clear improvement, and if his shitty teammates like scott, mooney and tonyan could catch then his stats would also match the clear improvement.

His clear improvement since week 11 still lands him in the 20's and 30's for all qb passing metrics

 

[Britbuffguy]

I'm not against keeping Fields but please, please, link a recent comparison of Fields to Wilson. If not, lube that ass because your pulling out some whoppers.

Cowheard said the Wilson thing, so yeah, I've seen the Fields' haters using it already. More so on Facebook groups.

Also, it's YOU'RE, as in YOU ARE PULLING....god that shit bothers me.

 

[Britbuffguy]

His clear improvement since week 11 still lands him in the 20's and 30's for all qb passing metrics

When you ignore the damage he does on the ground. Too many dummies stuck back in the 90s. Times are changing how the QB position is played.

 

[remydat]

I can see all sides, but the “You don’t know what you have in a college player” is the laziest damn take when talking about whether to move on from someone.

Is there ever a circumstance when a team should ever draft any player ever?

After all, most drafted players bust.
After all, we’ve seen later drafted players succeed, so why draft toward the top?
After all, I’m scared that this guy won’t be as good.


It’s your job to get the evaluation right, so get the evaluation right.

If you think one of the QBs in this draft can be better than Fields, draft him. If not, don’t.

It’s your job to find Mahomes and pass on Trubisky.

It’s your job to find Stroud and pass on Young.


Enough with being scared that guys won’t work out. It’s the Bears’ brass fucking job to get this shit right. And “We don’t know what this guy will be” doesn’t cut it.

I think the point is you know Fields can start in the NFL whereas there is a 60-65% chance Williams will bust.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Can you add to your point the haul the bears will get by trading fields; since he's in a trajectory to become a top 10 qb: and add those players to the roster for the new qb

No by trading the 1st overall putz

 

[truthbedamned]

Fields is toast. Do you really think the Bears want to pay 40-50 million a year to a QB that runs 10-12 times a game? Fields has already missed 10 games in 2 1/2 years. This is a Daniel jones situation all over again if they Bears pass on Williams.

I watched the video. Chase Daniel’s just said if they build around Fields he can be a top 10-15 QB. Who the heck wants that? That’s his ceiling? Being average????

I want an elite QB for once. Bears deserve it. Caleb can be a top 5 QB. I’ll take my chances with greatness vs mediocrity for a few years until fields body breaks down from injury from running the football

How do you know? He can just as easily be Ryan Leaf.

 

[Toast88]

I think the point is you know Fields can start in the NFL whereas there is a 60-65% chance Williams will bust.

That’s with literally any pick when compared to the guys who have already shown they can play in the NFL.

They picked Fields because they believed he could play in the NFL. What if they had passed on Fields because there’s a chance he could’ve busted?

Get the evaluation right. Get the picks right.

 

[remydat]

That’s with literally any pick when compared to the guys who have already shown they can play in the NFL.

They picked Fields because they believed he could play in the NFL. What if they had passed on Fields because there’s a chance he could busted?

Get the evaluation right. Get the picks right.

No not everyone on your roster has shown they can start in the NFL. Further if you already have a guy that can start at the position then the question is whether it is worth trying to upgrade at a position you already have a solid starter vs drafting at a poistion where you are weaker.

 

[Toast88]

Here are some NFL quarterbacks, since some people seem to be forgetting:

Patrick Mahomes
Justin Herbert
CJ Stroud
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Kirk Cousins
Jordan Love
Matt Stafford
Kyler Murray
Trevor Lawrence
Tua Tagovailoa
Lamar Jackson
Bryce Young
Deshaun Watson
Jalen Hurts

 

[Toast88]

No not everyone on your roster has shown they can start in the NFL. Further if you already have a guy that can start at the position then the question is whether it is worth trying to upgrade at a position you already have a solid starter vs drafting at a poistion where you are weaker.

Now you’re talking about evaluation, which is what I’m in favor of.

That’s different from saying, “We can’t draft this guy because we’re not 100% certain he’ll be better than what we have.”

If you’re making a list of pros and cons with draft picks, “We don’t know for sure he can be a good NFL player” is on every single draft pick’s con list.

So when you’re giving a reason to keep someone or draft someone to potentially replace, “We don’t know what they are at the pro level” is an extremely lazy take and is not evaluation.

 

[remydat]

Here are some NFL quarterbacks, since some people seem to be forgetting:

Patrick Mahomes
Justin Herbert
CJ Stroud
Joe Burrow
Josh Allen
Kirk Cousins
Jordan Love
Matt Stafford
Kyler Murray
Trevor Lawrence
Tua Tagovailoa
Lamar Jackson
Bryce Young
Deshaun Watson
Jalen Hurts

Here are the first QBs drafted the last 10 years.

Young - Really struggled
Pickett - Really struggled
Lawrence - Above average starter
Burrow - Near elite QB
Murray - Hit or miss
Mayfield - Failed on his first team
Trubisky - Bust
Goff - Above average starter
Winston - Bust
Bortles - Bust
Manuel - Bust
Luck - Above average starter
Newton - Above average starter
Bradford - Bust

So that is 5 out of 14 success rate IMO or 6 out of 14 if you include Murray. So 36-43% success rate with no SBs winners. Rhe last SB winner to be the first QB drafted was Stafford and he did it on his new team. The last won to win a SB for the team that drafted him is Manning.

 

[Toast88]

I'd keep the qb who's career has proven him to be in the 20th+ to 30th+ ranked qb in every passing metric

He just needs better wr, te, oline, oc, hc and weather.....oh....and a rules change to make game 3q not 4q since he somehow becomes even worse in the final 15 mins

It all comes down to two types of people:

*People who want a quarterback who makes people around him better.

*People who want a quarterback who everyone else makes better.

 

[remydat]

Now you’re talking about evaluation, which is what I’m in favor of.

That’s different from saying, “We can’t draft this guy because we’re not 100% certain he’ll be better than what we have.”

If you’re making a list of pros and cons with draft picks, “We don’t know for sure he can be a good NFL player” is on every single draft pick’s con list.

So when you’re giving a reason to keep someone or draft someone to potentially replace, “We don’t know what they are at the pro level” is an extremely lazy take and is not evaluation.

That was not the only reason listed and it is entirely valid to note that if the guy you already have is good enough to start and win with that replacing him with a high draft pick with a 60% bust rate may not be the best idea.