Chicago Cubs (31-51) @ New York Mets (45-38) July 6-8

How many games do the Cubs win?


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Rice Cube

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was talking to my dad while you guy posting about trading


For Castro to be traded it would have to the biggest overpay of MLB history. How many 22 y/o 2 time all stars have there been traded in MLB? im going to say 0

Just because he may be available for trade doesn't mean he's going to be traded :lol: As most have said it would take a ridiculous pricetag for them to even consider it.
 

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was talking to my dad while you guy posting about trading


For Castro to be traded it would have to the biggest overpay of MLB history. How many 22 y/o 2 time all stars have there been traded in MLB? im going to say 0
It won't happen because teams would have to give up a ton to make it worthwhile consider Castro's production, age, and contract status. The reason you never say never is because if a team like Baltimore comes to you and offer Dylan Bundy and Manny Machado (not that it would happen) then you have to at least think about it.
 

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Just because he may be available for trade doesn't mean he's going to be traded :lol: As most have said it would take a ridiculous pricetag for them to even consider it.

Anyone can be avaible so called. But there are untouchables in the league. Castro is one of them cause no one would pay the price
 

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It won't happen because teams would have to give up a ton to make it worthwhile consider Castro's production, age, and contract status. The reason you never say never is because if a team like Baltimore comes to you and offer Dylan Bundy and Manny Machado (not that it would happen) then you have to at least think about it.

i wouldnt do Castro for those 2. What have they proven? Nothing. They are good in minors, guess what so have been alot of other players who come to MLB and sucked. 22 y/o SS that have been to All Star game twice is very rare. Not sure if its ever been done before.
 

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Reed Mantle is batting over .300 now. Sweet! Why do we call him Reed Mantle around here?
 

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Anyone can be avaible so called. But there are untouchables in the league. Castro is one of them cause no one would pay the price

Not being willing to pay the price is different than being untouchable. You listen to any offer that makes your team better. The price for Castro would be higher than what any team would give up so I don't think you have to worry about Castro going anywhere soon.
 

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who pitches 9th? Marmol for 1 more outing before break or Camp?
 

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Not being willing to pay the price is different than being untouchable. You listen to any offer that makes your team better. The price for Castro would be higher than what any team would give up so I don't think you have to worry about Castro going anywhere soon.

so your saying there is 0 untouchables in MLB?
 

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i wouldnt do Castro for those 2. What have they proven? Nothing. They are good in minors, guess what so have been alot of other players who come to MLB and sucked. 22 y/o SS that have been to All Star game twice is very rare. Not sure if its ever been done before.
Seriously dude Bundy has the potential to be an ace. You aren't going to get more guys that are proven in a deal. That is what the trade is for, but the possibility of landing a guy that could be a front line starter would make me think about moving Castro.
 

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so your saying there is 0 untouchables in MLB?

I'm saying that because of how much a team game baseball is that no matter the talent level every player could be moved in a deal that makes the team better. I think there are quite a few players who price is so ridiculously high that you could call them untouchable, but this idea that you don't listen to offers on anyone is silly.
 

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Seriously dude Bundy has the potential to be an ace. You aren't going to get more guys that are proven in a deal. That is what the trade is for, but the possibility of landing a guy that could be a front line starter would make me think about moving Castro.

Il take a PROVEN 22 y/o 2 time All Star over a Potential guy anytime.
 

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I'm saying that because of how much a team game baseball is that no matter the talent level every player could be moved in a deal that makes the team better. I think there are quite a few players who price is so ridiculously high that you could call them untouchable, but this idea that you don't listen to offers on anyone is silly.

You really think WSN listen to offers for Strasburg or Harper. Not a chance
 

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You really think WSN listen to offers for Strasburg or Harper. Not a chance

I think it is dumb not too. If the Angels were to offer Mike Trout and Jered Weaver wouldn't you take it for either?
 

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Il take a PROVEN 22 y/o 2 time All Star over a Potential guy anytime.

And you are going to be very unhappy over the course of the next couple of seasons as the Cubs routinely trade proven guys for potential. That is the way you get better though because that is how you add talent.
 

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I think it is dumb not too. If the Angels were to offer Mike Trout and Jered Weaver wouldn't you take it for either?

LAA would never offer that. So thats just a horrible argument
 

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Everything that has ever been said is that the guy puts in the work. The "dozens" of times that he didn't hustle resulted in at most a few bases lost over the course of the past five seasons. And seriously unless the guy was the 40-40 guy every year people were going to be pissed off because he was paid to be that guy. Yes Cubs fans love their gritty, grindy white guys but lets not pretend that peoples opinion of players isn't heavily shaped by the money they are paid.

Not running as he should on non-homers alone has cost him at least 12 bases in just 2010-2011. Not running to first on slow grounders cost him at least 17 hits last year alone, and several of them inning-ending and potential rally-ending. I'm not talking about plays he had virtually no chance to reach that extra base even if he busted out of the box like a bullet train. I'm talking about him trotting out of the box when he thought he hit a HR... only to watch it hit the wall and him end up at 1st... not second. I'm talking slow grounders hit deep into the hole at SS... that even my 78 year-old grandmother could out run... yet he didn't get within 5 steps of the bag before the ball beat him. I understand he lost his legs in 2007, and I'm not expecting him to run out every ground ball. However, I do expect him to put up at least average effort... and to bust his rear when the opportunity arises. Until this season, that was nonexistent.

That's more than "a few bases total", and that just the two years prior to this one. His loafing began in 2008.

Yes, those people who actually pay attention to a guy's salary when he's playing like crap... as Soriano has... would be frustrated with his performance. I personally view his contract as Jim Hendry committing career suicide, not Soriano's fault. Hendry was the moron that offered the deal when there were signs at the time Soriano should not have been signed. The fact is, the Cubs were the only team to offer Soriano more than 5 years... and more than $14M per. EVERYONE else in the MLB saw the pitfalls... that only Hendry managed to not notice. However, the majority of the fans wouldn't know how much he's making now if the media didn't print it at least twice a week... and the sports talk and news people didn't mention it 20 times a day. Most fans don't pay that kind of attention. They pay attention to standings. They pay attention to effort during the games, not practice.

That said, if Soriano actually looked as if he was putting up the effort he should have been... his support would have been much stronger. If he had actually put in the effort, his production would have been much stronger. If he had played the past 3-4 years as he has this year, his support would be much stronger. I understand his teammates and coaches "have his back" in terms of his effort. Yet, if you watched the games over the past 4 years... it's obvious that any and all of this "work" and "effort" that he puts in is during practice. He certainly hasn't done it during the game. And... his work ethic... was one of the reasons the Rangers were desperate to get rid of him. They stated he was lazy and uncoachable after he was sent to Washington.
 

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And you are going to be very unhappy over the course of the next couple of seasons as the Cubs routinely trade proven guys for potential. That is the way you get better though because that is how you add talent.

vet proven guys 30+ yes you trade for potential. You dont trade 22 y/o for potential. Thats my argment
 

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Down to the last 2 outs of no Cubs baseball for next 4 days.
 
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