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Actually, no, it couldn't have anything to do with it, since BABIP doesn't look at home runs, seeing as how they are very, very rarely "in play".
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Actually, no, it couldn't have anything to do with it, since BABIP doesn't look at home runs, seeing as how they are very, very rarely "in play".
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you made me lol
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I don't care that no one agrees with me. I'm not "taking it out" on anyone. Sorry.
I want elaborated WHY it won't happen.
That's true. I totally overlooked that. But, if anyone seriously thinks that Shields will be that bad again, they need to get checked into a home.
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Elaborate for God's sake. We all use the English Language, use it.
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Trade Shields? You can never have enough arms
^^^ please tell me you didnt get this idea from that article.
i dont have to elaborate, because you are pulling shit out of the sky. you live in this make believe world where every rumor that has a player on a "trading block" is coming to the cubs, and than you want people to elaborate on why we think they wont....you make no sense at all. it is just a dumb arguement. period.
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The dude is prone to giving up HR's. I've seen him pitch alot.
He leaves the ball up too much & pays for it with the gopher balls.
He was 13-15 on a damn good Rays team for god sakes.
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I did not actually. It was posted on PSD months ago. I just chose to post it now, because we were talking about it, earlier.
You're right, you don't have to elaborate, but if you're gonna facepalm someone, you better have something to back it up.
I don't think he's coming to the Cubs. It's a god damn rumor so I fucking posted it. It's so we can have something to talk about. If you have a fucking problem with that, you go tell Rush. I just fucking talked to him about you and making this place better. That's what we all want isn't it? How does being a god damn nazi help the site out? You should be encouraging the posting of rumors, for god's sake.
You really represent the site in a very shitty manner and I am not going to promote this site to good posters I know. Sorry, Rush, but this shit is ridiculous. We all come here to talk about sports, not look at Obama's head.
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yeah because im the problem, maybe you should look in the mirror.
you get bent when people dont agree with you and than you act like a child.
where is this james shields to the cubs link? is there a link? because if there isnt i told you to put random ideas in the "random thread"
now run along and tell rush i was mean to you.
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Wow, you are really using W-L to dictate how good a pitcher he is? Really? That is about as ignorant as it gets. The offense and defense factor into whether or not a pitcher wins or not too.
So what if he gives up a lot of homeruns? So what? Lilly gives up a lot of homers and he was pretty good for us for 2+ years.
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No, it's the lack of an explanation that pisses me off. All you have to do is explain your point, is that really too much to ask on a SPORTS FORUM? I don't think it is.
There is no link, it's an idea. I apologize that I am not a mod and that I can not move posts.
You say I act like a child? Look in the mirror.
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FanGraphs of James Shields
112 IP vs LHB's, he gave up 130 hits.
91.1 IP vs RHB's, he gave up 116 hits.
LHB's hit .311 off him while RHB's hit .292
September/October he gave up 50 hits in just 32 innings.
He gets outside in the summer in Wrigley, teams will tee off on his ass.
112 IP vs LHB's, he gave up 130 hits.
91.1 IP vs RHB's, he gave up 116 hits.
LHB's hit .311 off him while RHB's hit .292
September/October he gave up 50 hits in just 32 innings.
He gets outside in the summer in Wrigley, teams will tee off on his ass.
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because I dont think the cubs are getting james shields....you need an explanation? it is an opinion bro, what dont you get?
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Right, because ERA and WHIP are the most up to date stats.
Don't both to look at his 3.67 K/BB, his 8+ K/9, his 4.24 FIP, and his 3.72 xFIP... in the fucking AL East. ERA and WHIP < FIP and xFIP
If he were to move to the NL Central, he would kill. How can you honestly say that he wouldn't?
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That's great, except using the quantity of hits and BA are about as outdated as stats get.
How do you know that? You don't know what days the wind will be blowing in and the days it will not.
EDIT: You get him in the NL and he will be facing lesser offensive teams, too.
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That's not necessarily true. He's played his entire career in a park that, over the last three seasons, has depressed HR output by about 10%, more than likely playing a part in his low HR/FB numbers. Now, considering he'd be moving to Wrigley, a park that over the last three years has boosted HR output by about 10%, meaning that we could reasonably expect him to give up a few extra home runs, just based on the change in park alone.
What makes matters worse is the fact that Shields, for his career, has predominantly been a fly ball pitcher, with a career GB/FB of 1.15, only once giving up 25% more grounders than he did fly balls, and twice already has he come dangerously close to giving up as many FB's as he has GB's. A pitcher can get away with these kinds of things when he is pitching in Tropicana Field and has an OF consisting mainly of Carl Crawford and BJ Upton, but the outlook would be bleak in taking that same pitcher and moving him to Wrigley with an OF that has Alphonso Soriano on patrol, and others not named Carl Crawford and BJ Upton.
So in the end, we have a pitcher moving from a pitcher's park to a hitter's park, and that pitcher just happens to give up a lot of fly balls, and would conceivably be giving them up with a questionable at-best defensive OF behind him. His strikeout abilities would be a nice addition, but there's a whole lot else that isn't in his favor in coming to the Cubs.
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Yeah, but playing in Wrigley allows him to work with Larry Rothschild everyday.
I really think you are putting too much value in him playing at Wrigley. He would make about 16 starts at home. He would only end up giving up 4 or 5 more home runs. But, on the road, he would be playing lesser talent, which could easily make his HR totals go down by 4 or 5.
The homeruns might make .2 wins difference in WAR, but the change from AL East to NL Central is about a win difference.
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Why are we debating something that someone suggested on PSD months ago? That's almost like getting rumors from Bleacher Report.
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