Chicago Cubs Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[Jntg4]

But according to CO, Wells was "unlucky".

Yep, a guy with 80 mph (les, I know I'm lowballing the number a little) FastBall with less than stellar control who can't keep the ball out opf the middle of the plate is unlucky when he gives up hits.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

But according to CO, Wells was "unlucky".

hahaha

remember that Friday game against the Cards that he was blown up for 5 runs in the first?? lots of unlucky stuff there..

he's barely a nice cheap option.. thats all.

 

[Jntg4]

hahaha

remember that Friday game against the Cards that he was blown up for 5 runs in the first?? lots of unlucky stuff there..

he's barely a nice cheap option.. thats all.

Did he even record an out that game?

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

8-14 4.26 ERA is unlucky?

is it because his # of SOs and WHIP are decent?


i don't think that changes the fact that at this point wells is not a rotation pitcher..he just isn't good enough...maybe the last guy in the rotation at best

 

[Jntg4]

Exactly. Some people are still high on his 2009 performance. Just some more Kool-Aid.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Did he even record an out that game?

Don't think he did..

 

[Capt. Serious]

hahaha

remember that Friday game against the Cards that he was blown up for 5 runs in the first?? lots of unlucky stuff there..

he's barely a nice cheap option.. thats all.

He gave up 209 hits. Unlucky baby.

 

[DewsSox79]

He gave up 209 hits. Unlucky baby.

it is only because the defense didnt get to those hits. haha

 

[Jntg4]

Nishioka bidder will be announced in the coming hours. The Cubs weren't rumored to have to have interest in him, but I hope they came in under-the-radar. After all, this is the RANDOM trade ideas thread.

 

[Jntg4]

Nishioka bidder will be announced in the coming hours. The Cubs weren't rumored to have to have interest in him, but I hope they came in under-the-radar. After all, this is the RANDOM trade ideas thread.

Never mind about the last part. Wrong thread.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Their "low" ERA. Wells sucks, 3.33 (Z) is good, but not ourtstandings, Dempst was decent, Silva sucked in the second half snd ended up in the 4's. I was more impressed with the back end of the pen than the rest of the staff.

Deal lord... why do you go by ERA? Look at his FIP for god's sake. Wells was just as good as 2009, better according to his xFIP. Sure Silva finished with a 4.22 ERA, but his FIP and xFIP were below 4.

But according to CO, Wells was "unlucky".

That's what I would call a .320 BABIP

8-14 4.26 ERA is unlucky?

is it because his # of SOs and WHIP are decent?


i don't think that changes the fact that at this point wells is not a rotation pitcher..he just isn't good enough...maybe the last guy in the rotation at best

No, no, no, no, no. You can not use W-L and ERA to dictate how good a pitcher is. Not at all. I don't give a shit about WHIP or raw K numbers. Look at his FIP, his K/9, his K/BB, his LD%, etc. Stats that matter.

No, he absolutely is a rotation pitcher. He is one of our best starters and he's cheap.

He gave up 209 hits. Unlucky baby.

So did CC Sabathia, so your argument has no merit to it once soever.

 

[Captain Obvious]

it is only because the defense didnt get to those hits. haha

Once the ball is in play, Wells has no effect on the ball. There is not a lot he can do about it. But, so what if he gave up 209 hits? Here is a list of pitchers who gave up that many or more

CC, Buehrle, Haren, Lackey, Pavano, HALLADAY, Brett Myers, Carpenter, Grienke, and Ervin Santana.

 

[Capt. Serious]

But but if it wasn't for Castro (example) making errors, Wells would be a special pitcher.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Once the ball is in play, Wells has no effect on the ball. There is not a lot he can do about it. But, so what if he gave up 209 hits? Here is a list of pitchers who gave up that many or more

CC, Buehrle, Haren, Lackey, Pavano, HALLADAY, Brett Myers, Carpenter, Grienke, and Ervin Santana.

All guys better than Wells. :lmao:

 

[Jntg4]

All guys better than Wells. :lmao:

@ the quote from CO you quoted: Isn't it the pitcher's job not to but it right in the middle to be driven far and isn't it the pitcher who is supposed to create weak contact so it CAN be fielded?

 

[Captain Obvious]

All guys better than Wells. :lmao:

That's the point, dumbass.

@ the quote from CO you quoted: Isn't it the pitcher's job not to but it right in the middle to be driven far and isn't it the pitcher who is supposed to create weak contact so it CAN be fielded?

Yes, it is their job and you have absolutely no way of proving that any of that happened.

 

[DewsSox79]

Deal lord... why do you go by ERA? Look at his FIP for god's sake. Wells was just as good as 2009, better according to his xFIP. Sure Silva finished with a 4.22 ERA, but his FIP and xFIP were below 4.



That's what I would call a .320 BABIP



No, no, no, no, no. You can not use W-L and ERA to dictate how good a pitcher is. Not at all. I don't give a shit about WHIP or raw K numbers. Look at his FIP, his K/9, his K/BB, his LD%, etc. Stats that matter.

No, he absolutely is a rotation pitcher. He is one of our best starters and he's cheap.



So did CC Sabathia, so your argument has no merit to it once soever.

are you talking about randy wells in the bold? please tell me you are not.

 

[Captain Obvious]

are you talking about randy wells in the bold? please tell me you are not.

I meant he's one of our 5 best starters.... but yes, I'm talking about him.

We only had 2 pitchers make more than 30 starts, Wells and Demp. They were about the same. Had Wells made the 2 more starts that Demp had, they would basically be identical in their FIP, xFIP, and WAR.

 

[DewsSox79]

I meant he's one of our 5 best starters.... but yes, I'm talking about him.

We only had 2 pitchers make more than 30 starts, Wells and Demp. They were about the same. Had Wells made the 2 more starts that Demp had, they would basically be identical in their FIP, xFIP, and WAR.

just stop.

 

[DewsSox79]

you have no idea how to evaluate pitchers using fip and other sabre stats while combining other stats. you need to research sabre and normal stats.