Coaching Incompetence Showing Up Again

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They announced the starting center? When?

If you believe there is still a competition for the starting center, doesn't it seem a little unfair for the guy that's competing for the job to be forced to play another position instead?

It's pretty obvious that if Nate Davis wasn't "injured" Bates wouldn't be in at guard and Shelton wouldn't be in as the starting center.

Instead of your rookie QB building chemistry with the actual starting center he is working with the backup for the majority of reps

 

[msadows]

Reason #1789027 ESPN sucks

PFF had them #11, also think they had the bears db's ranked like 19th.

LOL

 

[bamainatlanta]

Rams wanted to change their blocking scheme this year. They wanted to go with maulers, Shelton is a zone blocking C. Their board did mention he would get ran through on many plays though but he was great at 2nd level blocks and getting blocking assignments right. But it seems he won’t be taking on DT’s 1 on 1 since he can get rekt

 

[run and shoot]

Coleman Shelton's listed at 6'5" 285lbs, most NFL centers are around 300lbs so Ryan Bates (6'4 302lb) at least fits that profile. Shelton is undersized and has been getting dominated. He should only be the backup, and should not be getting most of the reps with Caleb just because Nate Davis doesn't like practice.

If Ja'Tyre Carter, Bill Murray, or Jerome Carvin aren't better options to play right guard, why are they even on the roster?

This "Top 10" offensive line the Bears are supposed to have is basically the weakest group on the team at this point. Even more so than the Defensive line, which at least seems to have quality starters like Billings & Sweat, a reliable vet like Walker, plus encouraging young players like Dexter & Booker.

Get it together 's

Coleman Shelton's listed at 6'5" 285lbs, most NFL centers are around 300lbs so Ryan Bates (6'4 302lb) at least
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Shelton can easily put on / add 15lbs of muscle through proper diet and weight training. Heck, I did it once, yrs ago. The Bears training staff ought to be able to get this done.

 

[msadows]

Rams wanted to change their blocking scheme this year. They wanted to go with maulers, Shelton is a zone blocking C. Their board did mention he would get ran through on many plays though but he was great at 2nd level blocks and getting blocking assignments right. But it seems he won’t be taking on DT’s 1 on 1 since he can get rekt

so hes lucas patrick w/ more experience?

 

[bamainatlanta]

so hes lucas patrick w/ more experience?

I don’t think Lucas was good at any damn thing.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

so hes lucas patrick w/ more experience?

Patrick has started like 20 more games.

If you want to wallow in it might as well go all the way!

 

[msadows]

Patrick has started like 20 more games.

If you want to wallow in it might as well go all the way!

I dont count the burrs games.

So same experience, both come from "good offenses" and both cant block the guy in front of them.

Sounds like @bamainatlanta is selling me on this coleman guy ;(

 

[DefNextYear]

Coleman Shelton's listed at 6'5" 285lbs, most NFL centers are around 300lbs so Ryan Bates (6'4 302lb) at least
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Shelton can easily put on / add 15lbs of muscle through proper diet and weight training. Heck, I did it once, yrs ago. The Bears training staff ought to be able to get this done.

Shelton can "easily" put on 15 lbs of muscle with a proper diet of PEDs... actually... still probably wouldn't get it done.

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

I was told Bates and Shelton were both the answers at C lmao.

 

[Washington]

Jay Hilgenberg played at 265lbs and the Bears won in 1985 so I guess your point is valid. On the other hand, everyone has been talking about how Caleb is under constant pressure so far in camp and there have been multiple reports that Shelton has been getting beaten consistently.

Maybe a competent coaching staff doesn't move the starting center out of his position to replace the right guard instead of using one of the actual backup guards. If Shelton was actually good the Rams would have been looking to keep him instead of replacing him with a 338lb 2nd year player.

Times were very different on the OL back in those days. Look at these weights of the starters on that team. That line was dominant. No line is remotely that size today, even in college ball.

Covert - 277
Thayer - 271
Hilgenberg - 265
Becker - 271
Van Horne - 281

 

[UChiLAbear]

Blocking technique, angles, footwork, lateral movement, 2nd level blocking, double team blocking and sliding to the next level are vastly more important than if a C is 285 or 300 lbs. It's not even close. You can thank me later. lol

 

[DanielCCSBears]

Does 15 lbs matter that much?

Nope it doesn't so long as he plays with good technique and knows how to block with good leverage. Add to it knowing the line calls and adjustments within the scheme he's played in before and he's a good option. .

Is he ideal? No.

Should they have drafted a center instead of a punter? Yeah probably.

Would they be better off with a rookie at center? No.

They have three picks within the first two rounds next year. So hopefully Shelton is decent for a couple of years and then he can turn it over to a good developmental player.

The biggest thing helping the offensive line would be Booker looking like he's an Alex Brown type of DE and Gervon Dexter being as as Henry Melton was at his peak for the next decade. That would stabilize the entire defensive line and then let them focus on building the offensive line over the long term.

What the Bears need is two decent years from Bates and Shelton. They don't have to be world beaters just be good enough so they don't have to start two rookies in 2025.

The Bears need four young guys on both sides of the ball to be average to above average.

 

[msadows]

Nope it doesn't so long as he plays with good technique and knows how to block with good leverage. Add to it knowing the line calls and adjustments within the scheme he's played in before and he's a good option. .

Is he ideal? No.

Should they have drafted a center instead of a punter? Yeah probably.

Would they be better off with a rookie at center? No.

They have three picks within the first two rounds next year. So hopefully Shelton is decent for a couple of years and then he can turn it over to a good developmental player.

The biggest thing helping the offensive line would be Booker looking like he's an Alex Brown type of DE and Gervon Dexter being as as Henry Melton was at his peak for the next decade. That would stabilize the entire defensive line and then let them focus on building the offensive line over the long term.

What the Bears need is two decent years from Bates and Shelton. They don't have to be world beaters just be good enough so they don't have to start two rookies in 2025.

The Bears need four young guys on both sides of the ball to be average to above average.

How much did j'marcus webb weight?

 

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Coleman Shelton's listed at 6'5" 285lbs, most NFL centers are around 300lbs so Ryan Bates (6'4 302lb) at least
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Shelton can easily put on / add 15lbs of muscle through proper diet and weight training. Heck, I did it once, yrs ago. The Bears training staff ought to be able to get this done.

Shelton can "easily" put on 15 lbs of muscle with a proper diet of PEDs... actually... still probably wouldn't get it done.

so for u....it's not body weight

 

[DefNextYear]

so for u....it's not body weight

Not sure I understand what this reply is supposed to mean.

 

[run and shoot]

Coleman Shelton's listed at 6'5" 285lbs, most NFL centers are around 300lbs so Ryan Bates (6'4 302lb) at least
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Shelton can easily put on / add 15lbs of muscle through proper diet and weight training. Heck, I did it once, yrs ago. The Bears training staff ought to be able to get this done.

Shelton can "easily" put on 15 lbs of muscle with a proper diet of PEDs... actually... still probably wouldn't get it done.

so for u....it's not body weight

Not sure I understand what this reply is supposed to mean.

I mentioned above.... "Shelton can easily put on / add 15lbs of muscle through proper diet and weight training."

proper diet i.e. weight gain supplements & weight training.

you came back with PED's ( which is illegal).....followed by you saying "actually... still probably wouldn't get it done"

Hence my question.......so for u....it's not body weight ?
In other words, regardless of weight/ size, it sounds like u don't see Shelton as a good fit at the center position....is that correct or do mean, in your opinion he can't add on 15lbs legally ??

BTW.....yes, one can add on lots of weight through weight gain supplements & weight training. I know from personal experience.

 

[JGONBORICUA14]

Connor Williams was chillin without a team up until a few days ago, that was the play that needed to happen

 

[bamainatlanta]

I dont count the burrs games.

So same experience, both come from "good offenses" and both cant block the guy in front of them.

Sounds like @bamainatlanta is selling me on this coleman guy ;(

I’m not selling anyone on Coleman, just stating that a C doesn’t need to be 300lbs. It really depends on the scheme. I’d prefer a larger C as it seems McVey wants to change his blocking as well.

 

[DefNextYear]

I mentioned above.... "Shelton can easily put on / add 15lbs of muscle through proper diet and weight training."

proper diet i.e. weight gain supplements & weight training.

you came back with PED's ( which is illegal).....followed by you saying "actually... still probably wouldn't get it done"

Hence my question.......so for u....it's not body weight ?
In other words, regardless of weight/ size, it sounds like u don't see Shelton as a good fit at the center position....is that correct or do mean, in your opinion he can't add on 15lbs legally ??

BTW.....yes, one can add on lots of weight through weight gain supplements & weight training. I know from personal experience.

Oh, you didn't have the question mark the first time, but with the clarification, here is what I meant:

It has nothing to do with Shelton... per se. I think it is quite impossible for a 29 year old male who has been lifting weights for probably over a decade to "easily put on/ add 15lbs of muscle". Even loaded with tons of gear, 15 lbs of muscle on a physically already muscular male is a very tall ask. That type of muscle mass added is usually only doable by someone who hasn't even looked at a weight before in their lives.

I have no opinion of Shelton as a player really other than what others have told me about him. Seems like he's a fairly average guy who has been on successful teams. Don't hate him... don't love him. Don't have a strong opinion at all really and hopefully he does alright for us.