comparing after 2011 season to now

[Boobaby1]

that would actually be a steal if you can get him for just 7 yrs at 25 per..

i know you said nothing less then..
i think he gets pujols type figures where it will be 10 yrs ranging between 25-30, question is what teams out there have that type of money to spend ?
doubt the angels open the wallet again... Dodgers ? yankees ? cubs ? surprise team ?

I would run away from a contract like that for Cano. Don't get fooled by Yankee numbers. They are notoriously stacked throughout the line-up with many guys on, and scoring tons of runs.

Cano has a good average, slugging, and OBP now, but if you suddenly put him behind Rizzo and he has no protection, what will that do to his numbers? They simply won't pitch to him.

Be cautious of giving a lengthy and expensive contract of that magnitude to a guy that has hit over 30 homers once, and drove in over 100 RBI's twice in his career.

 

[Cubs2008]

Cano has a good average, slugging, and OBP now, but if you suddenly put him behind Rizzo and he has no protection, what will that do to his numbers? They simply won't pitch to him.

Don't you think Rizzo is coming along?

 

[chibears55]

I would run away from a contract like that for Cano. Don't get fooled by Yankee numbers. They are notoriously stacked throughout the line-up with many guys on, and scoring tons of runs.

i would too and i dont see the cubs getting into a bidding war for him.. im sure they might make an offer but it wont be crazy

cano will prob. get a crazy offer from someone though because he in his prime he a .300 hitter who hit 30+ last yr and is well on his way to another 30+ HR yr
be interesting to see if he ends up at 3B eventually

 

[Boobaby1]

Boo, you're probably right about all that. But don't we need to finally go after guys like that again if we're going to be serious about winning?

The Cardinals signed Matt Holiday to a 7 year deal at the age of 30. That seems to be working out okay for them. Also, I think with a new TV deal just around the corner I think MLB contracts are going to have to be looked at in a different light.

If Cano can be productive through 4 or 5 years of a 7 year deal, wouldn't it be worth it, especially if he was serviceable for the other 2 or 3?

Also, I was originally very happy with the Soriano contract. I then turned on him through 09-11 when he was swinging at everything bounced up to the plate. Now, looking at the body of the deal, it really has been a good deal. he gave the Cubs a good chance of winning for a few years, was mediocre for a couple, and if the Cubs were good around him now he'd be a nice complementary player. If you added a guy like Cano now, Soriano could be a real nice 5 or 6 hitter even next year.

I agree there needs to be a game changer offensively, probably two. And yes, he fits the part at a position that we have very little hitting at. In fact, I think the lack of offense is just as much to blame for the losses this year as the bullpen, but the bullpen is taking most of the heat.

But really, Choo and Beltran would do the same thing, fill 2 voids for the same price, and the Cubs more than likely would only be on the hook with Beltran for 2 years.

Choo, Castro, Rizzo, Beltran, and Soriano isn't a bad hitting bunch in my opinion.

 

[SilenceS]

I agree there needs to be a game changer offensively, probably two. And yes, he fits the part at a position that we have very little hitting at. In fact, I think the lack of offense is just as much to blame for the losses this year as the bullpen, but the bullpen is taking most of the heat.

But really, Choo and Beltran would do the same thing, fill 2 voids for the same price, and the Cubs more than likely would only be on the hook with Beltran for 2 years.

Choo, Castro, Rizzo, Beltran, and Soriano isn't a bad hitting bunch in my opinion.

Cano is great but the Cubs got some second base prospects and who knows if we have to move Castro there in the future. By all means, I want Cano but it come with a limit. He isnt Miguel Cabrera or someone with a bat like that. I would really like Choo and then another bat. I

 

[Cubs2008]

I agree with that. I also don't know that I'm necessarily hung up on Cano either. I'm really trying to make the point that it's time to spend some money. I would argue though that Cano would be a bigger upgrade by far over Barney then Beltran and Choo would be over Dejesus and Schierholtz. I definitely don't agree with the notion that Cano will get a Pujols like deal.

 

[Boobaby1]

I agree with that. I also don't know that I'm necessarily hung up on Cano either. I'm really trying to make the point that it's time to spend some money. I would argue though that Cano would be a bigger upgrade by far over Barney then Beltran and Choo would be over Dejesus and Schierholtz. I definitely don't agree with the notion that Cano will get a Pujols like deal.

Nor do I. Those mega deals are usually for iconic power hitters.

One thing with the two I mentioned is that they both have really good OBP's, Choo can hit for a decent average and have 17-22 HR potential, Beltran even at his age is still in the 25-30 HR potential, and both are good on the base paths.

Neither would block the farm, and Soriano will be leaving soon also.

It will be interesting to say the least what the off-season will bring, or not bring for that matter.

 

[SilenceS]

Nor do I. Those mega deals are usually for iconic power hitters.

One thing with the two I mentioned is that they both have really good OBP's, Choo can hit for a decent average and have 17-22 HR potential, Beltran even at his age is still in the 25-30 HR potential, and both are good on the base paths.

Neither would block the farm, and Soriano will be leaving soon also.

It will be interesting to say the least what the off-season will bring, or not bring for that matter.

It also can change by the end of year. I know a lot of people gave up on Brett Jackson but he has really controlled his K rate lately and is starting to rake since coming off the DL. We have to see what we have in him by the end of the year. It is sink or swim for him this year. Good thing about him though is he can play all 3 OF spots so it gives you versatility.

 

[Boobaby1]

Don't you think Rizzo is coming along?

Sure he is. He reminds me of Lance Berkman for some reason. Although he is not the hitter for average that Lance was, I think he has as much power potential. Ironically, they kind of run the same too. I could live with that.

 

[Boobaby1]

It also can change by the end of year. I know a lot of people gave up on Brett Jackson but he has really controlled his K rate lately and is starting to rake since coming off the DL. We have to see what we have in him by the end of the year. It is sink or swim for him this year. Good thing about him though is he can play all 3 OF spots so it gives you versatility.

And I've read enough of your posts to know that you have always liked B-Jax. Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either to have Beltran, Jackson, and Choo in the outfield if B-Jax can stay up in the big leagues. Just gives them more options, and you know the Cubs are still trying to deal Soriano if they can net something positive for him.

 

[SilenceS]

Can we trade our whole team just for Cabrera! Dude is on a different stratosphere.

 

[Boobaby1]

Can we trade our whole team just for Cabrera! Dude is on a different stratosphere.

He and Pujols are/were elite in their prime. I remember Pujols being just as tough with 2 strikes, as he was on a 3-0 count. He seemed like he was having to make contact with a watermelon. Amazing!

I am hoping for the day that the Cubs can have one of those types come through the system.

 

[SilenceS]

Pujols I have always believed to be older than what he says. He has really aged the past couple of years. Pujols was/is amazing but Cabrera has two home runs tonight that I have no idea how he hit them out. The last of the three was amazing. A 96 MPH fastball tailing into him. He was able to pull his hands in drop the bat head and stroke it to dead center. I dont think anybody else in baseball could have hit that out. People should also learn how to hit like him. He is so quiet at the plate, no wasted movement.

 

[Boobaby1]

Pujols I have always believed to be older than what he says. He has really aged the past couple of years. Pujols was/is amazing but Cabrera has two home runs tonight that I have no idea how he hit them out. The last of the three was amazing. A 96 MPH fastball tailing into him. He was able to pull his hands in drop the bat head and stroke it to dead center. I dont think anybody else in baseball could have hit that out. People should also learn how to hit like him. He is so quiet at the plate, no wasted movement.

I believe Pujols struggles every year with his Plantar Fasciitis. It is something that I know friends of mine say is excruciatingly painful, and rest and treatments daily and not using it is the way to heal it. I'm sure he stretches it every day when he plays baseball which doesn't help. Ever wonder why he runs like he is stepping on egg shells?

I remember in 03' when they played the Cubs in the NLCS, and the commentators had raved that Cabrera was going to be a good hitter. I don't think they thought he would be this good.

 

[CSF77]

With Hendry I disagreed with the first round picks and a lack of dedication to building up the farm. That is something that I believe that needed to be done.

With Theo I disagreed with not extending A-Ram. There were no 3B on the market and he opted out of his 1 year option. Instead of making a 3 year offer he pulled a arb to get a comp pick.

To me that was a huge f-up. Vitters was a year away and was far from a sure thing even then. The answer was even a bigger joke. Stewart had 1 ok year that on paper was worse then A-Ram in 2010 which he got torched by some posters on CBS.

Now year 1:
Trading Cash for Rizzo. I liked it due to Cash's injury track record.

Letting Shark start. Liked it. I felt he was never given a shot to adjust to it at the major league level. It probably had more to do with him maturing though.

Trading Z for Vogel...didn't care. Z was on the down turn. Vogel was a turd. So dangerous turd for a AAAA turd. Don't care still.

Not signing Fielder... Ties to Rizzo. Didn't mind it and with no DH to fall back on....

Trading Marshall for Wood etc. Wood has been doing fine as a 4-5 starter. Not complaining.


This year they addressed the rotation. They needed to replace Dempster and Maholm. They did that. I did not agree with signing Baker to a 1 year as he was coming off injury and 5 mil seemed like a waste of cash. Feldman was a BP arm and they signed 6 mil at the time to hit the pen. Worked out for now. He has to get over 10 wins to get that value though.

Jackson I believe he will get better. Last 2 have been an improvement.

Pen: They should have traded Marmol for Haren. no question.
They have dumped the arms that haven't worked out except Camp. I still don't get that one. Seems like he fell off the fence this year.
Fuji we need more info.

Over all not great but can be decent.

So I have a mixed opinion right now.

I didn't like them tossing years away just so their draft picks can save the Cubs. To me that is fairy tales.

Rather have them spend some to get this team competitive.

Take 3B they have no answer. So do something about it. Trade for one vs draft another lottery ticket.

So when I ***** about what is going on it is because I do not agree with their direction. I believe that they have enough resource to not build like a small market team.

 

[Willrust]

Don't hold your breath Cubs2008. And also, I can't imagine that many around here that didn't like the signing of Soriano at age 31 are going to approve the signing of Cano at 31 either because their contracts are going to be in the same ballpark even if the Cubs pony-up for him.

I would doubt seriously that Cano will get anything less than 7 years 175 million.

How many times have you heard how Soriano's contract is crippling the team? Be honest!

Now 18 million is crippling, but 25 million won't be. I just don't get it.

Cano & Soriano are 2 different situations. By the time the Cubs signed Soriano he was limited to corner OF. Cano can still play a solid 2B, and if he does start to wear down, the Cubs can move him to corner OF. Cano also has better plate discipline than Soriano and is also not attached to the leadoff spot. As to the money; the Cubs have a payroll of 55M on the books for next year and will be able to renegotiate their television deal after the 2014 season. They should have no problem backloading a deal for Cano if they feel he is the right fit. I wonder if he can play 3B?

 

[KBisBack!]

soriano blows so far wanna ***** about that to?

Soriano has been WAY more productive in his time with the Cubs and the sheep clan like yourself have bitched to high heaven about him.

 

[KBisBack!]

cause from reading his posts his agenda is to be the class leader of the cbs clan and basically all he doing is bashing everything cubs and argue with everone who not part of his clan..

dont know who runs this board but im sure they cant be liking every thread being demolished by a few that came over from cbs..

Yawn.

God forbid anyone actually think for themselves and question a team that lost 100 games last year and sucks again this year.

Clearly all you and others like vick, dabs, etc are interested in is a big circle jerk where everyone pats each other on the back about how great the Cubs are doing.

Sorry, but I prefer to look at real life and save the fairy tales for children.

 

[KBisBack!]

Hendry? No. Fuku? No. Soriano? Yes. Marmol? No. Bryd? Yes. Z? No.

i think im starting to understand this CBS group.. they all seem to be HENDRY desciples and will fight to the death in his honor and hiis players honor

Because people like you talk about what a failure the 3 division titles were while defending to the death a 100 loss season and this years suckfest.

 

[KBisBack!]

One time can we please hit on someone like him.

Well Miggy is a hard example to match. The dude did win the first Triple Crown in like 45 years.

But the Cubs have in the last ten years hit it tremendously huge on trades twice.

Aramis Ramirez and Derrek Lee.