Could you GM the Bears?

[Bearly]

Why stop at GM? Why not CEO or astronaut or master blogger?

 

[FatBabiesHaveNoPride]

Not one person on this site could GM a professional football team.

 

[modo]

Not one person on this site could GM a professional football team.

all but 2 people on this board seem to understand this.....

damn I love your forum name

 

[JDB_219]

While some people have offered some decent arguments against, a reasonable man as GM, most have just exaggerated the scope of the job,made ludicrous comparisons and terrible metaphors.

It looks like folks got their straw men , appeals to authority and moving goal posts from the internet illogical argument playbook.

Pretty weak work over all. I'd put together examples if I wasn't on a phone but my favorite was the guy who quoted me making consistent arguments but didn't understand the consistency and posted them like a gotcha.

 

[KittiesKorner]

so you wouldn't hire any of us as gms?

 

[JDB_219]

so you wouldn't hire any of us as gms?

If I was in position to hire GMs I would want someone who thought they could do the job.

 

[Bearin' Down]

While some people have offered some decent arguments against, a reasonable man as GM, most have just exaggerated the scope of the job,made ludicrous comparisons and terrible metaphors.

It looks like folks got their straw men , appeals to authority and moving goal posts from the internet illogical argument playbook.

Pretty weak work over all. I'd put together examples if I wasn't on a phone but my favorite was the guy who quoted me making consistent arguments but didn't understand the consistency and posted them like a gotcha.

I disagree. The only weak ass arguments put out there were by you. You assumed that a GM's daily job duties consists only of delegating. You, mistakenly I might add, pointed to a general class of jobs (i.e. politicians) and said "see look, they do it! So can I" without ever pointing to a single politician who has taken the path you assumed occurred all the time. You never cited any ACTUAL reasons or the BASIS for those reasons as to why you'd make a good GM.

On the other hand, people correctly pointed out that every GM: a) knows the people in the industry; b) have scouted players; c) know the rules of the NFL; d) know industry practice and standards; e) know what makes a good employee in the industry; and f) have experience managing people. All of these qualifications are not qualifications that you possess today. And this is trivializing what an NFL GM does. Like everything, you REALLY do need the experience.

I think this is a product of a conflated ego and immaturity. If I had to guess, and this isn't an insult, I'd say you were in college right now. If I'm right, I'll say that the reason you made the comments you made was because of a lack of experience. The end.

 

[JDB_219]

I disagree. The only weak ass arguments put out there were by you. You assumed that a GM's daily job duties consists only of delegating. You, mistakenly I might add, pointed to a general class of jobs (i.e. politicians) and said "see look, they do it! So can I" without ever pointing to a single politician who has taken the path you assumed occurred all the time. You never cited any ACTUAL reasons or the BASIS for those reasons as to why you'd make a good GM.

On the other hand, people correctly pointed out that every GM: a) knows the people in the industry; b) have scouted players; c) know the rules of the NFL; d) know industry practice and standards; e) know what makes a good employee in the industry; and f) have experience managing people. All of these qualifications are not qualifications that you possess today. And this is trivializing what an NFL GM does. Like everything, you REALLY do need the experience.

I think this is a product of a conflated ego combined with immaturity. If I had to guess, and this isn't an insult, I'd say you were in college right now. If I'm right, I'll say that the reason you made the comments you made was because of a lack of experience. The end.

It starts Strawman then smoothly transitions to personal attack while confusing conflated with inflated.

Well done sir. You responded to my critique of the poor argument in this thread with a poor argument.

 

[ruprecht]

I think you are confusing conflated with confusing.

 

[modo]

If I was in position to hire GMs I would want someone who thought they could do the job.

wtf

 

[Nick80]

While some people have offered some decent arguments against, a reasonable man as GM, most have just exaggerated the scope of the job,made ludicrous comparisons and terrible metaphors.

It looks like folks got their straw men , appeals to authority and moving goal posts from the internet illogical argument playbook.

Pretty weak work over all. I'd put together examples if I wasn't on a phone but my favorite was the guy who quoted me making consistent arguments but didn't understand the consistency and posted them like a gotcha.

JDB. Late bloomer but is now pushing hard to be the number two behind Rory a Firstimer has lost a step or two the last six months or so.

"Ready to push circles when there are none, a floater, could push for the starting job if the number hits twenty, no chip on his shoulder but plenty of flannel, time and effort to get his status up to where he finds himself going into the offseason, could be more to come"

 

[nwfisch]

I'd have paid Tim Tebow all the money Cutler got.

I win.

 

[iueyedoc]

[video=youtube;xNzBgR0UoYo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNzBgR0UoYo[/video]

 

[Broc]

Pretty weak work over all. I'd put together examples if I wasn't on a phone but my favorite was the guy who quoted me making consistent arguments but didn't understand the consistency and posted them like a gotcha.

LOL! The only thing consistent about your arguments is that they're consistently Special person. You've done nothing but make yourself look like a fool for 17 pages, solid work, BF51 would be proud lmao... :clap:

 

[Bearin' Down]

It starts Strawman then smoothly transitions to personal attack while conflating conflated with inflated.

Well done sir. You responded to my critique of the poor argument in this thread with a poor argument.

It's not a personal attack, it's an observation. Sorry if you were offended by it.


As to the strawman argument issue, I think you could really use a lesson in what a "strawman" argument is. A "straw man" argument is where there is an issue at hand "Whether you would be as good as Phil Emery or could run an NFL Team" and your opponent in said argument then ignores the issue and points to a similar but not the same issue. I pointed to the fact that you've given us no reason as to why you would be as good as Phil Emery or could run an NFL team. I've also pointed to skills you lack that other GM's have gained through experience. I.e. skills that would make someone capable of being as good as Phil Emery. 100% of these topics are on point with whether you would make an "average" gm (your words). You have addressed none of them. Instead you point to the straw men in the room. I.e. the straw men you created.

And I'm sorry about the conflate issue, I didn't mean to include both the word combine and conflate.

 

[JDB_219]

I think you are confusing conflated with confusing.

Good catch. I will correct.

 

[xer0h0ur]

While some people have offered some decent arguments against, a reasonable man as GM, most have just exaggerated the scope of the job,made ludicrous comparisons and terrible metaphors.

It looks like folks got their straw men , appeals to authority and moving goal posts from the internet illogical argument playbook.

Pretty weak work over all. I'd put together examples if I wasn't on a phone but my favorite was the guy who quoted me making consistent arguments but didn't understand the consistency and posted them like a gotcha.

So saying that Emery failed in not fixing the offensive line in year one then later saying the reality is he was not in a position to influence many positions in year one is consistency? That is blatant backtracking to me. The only thing you have been consistent on is your delusion that you could have done as well as Emery has thus far.

 

[Broc]

I wish there was some sort of petition I could sign to install JDB as GM of the Packers with BearsFan51 as his scouting director. I think I speak for everyone when I say we'd all LOVE to watch them do irrevocable damage burning that franchise to the ground in 1 season before getting fired.

 

[Tjodalv]

wish there was some sort of petition I could sign to install JDB as GM of the Packers with BearsFan51 as his scouting director. I think I speak for everyone when I say we'd all LOVE to watch them do irrevocable damage burning that franchise to the ground in 1 season before getting fired.

Could Bearnut be the assistant GM? That dude's theories on how to build a roster were hilarious. Basically, once a decent player hit 28 you trade him for anything you could get and then you'll miraculously draft better replacements every...fucking...time.

 

[JDB_219]

It's not a personal attack, it's an observation. Sorry if you were offended by it.


As to the strawman argument issue, I think you could really use a lesson in what a "strawman" argument is. A "straw man" argument is where there is an issue at hand "Whether you would be as good as Phil Emery or could run an NFL Team" and your opponent in said argument then ignores the issue and points to a similar but not the same issue. I pointed to the fact that you've given us no reason as to why you would be as good as Phil Emery or could run an NFL team. I've also pointed to skills you lack that other GM's have gained through experience. I.e. skills that would make someone capable of being as good as Phil Emery. 100% of these topics are on point with whether you would make an "average" gm (your words). You have addressed none of them. Instead you point to the straw men in the room. I.e. the straw men you created.

And I'm sorry about the conflate issue, I didn't mean to include both the word combine and conflate.

You made your strawman by arguing against things I never argued in the first place.

I didn't generalize about politicians as a class or say that a GM only delegates. You attacked both of those arguments that I didn't make.