Coyotes in abundance in Chicago

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There was a woman killed here in Nova Scotia by three coyotes. Of course, that created a bit of a panic.
 

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So there's only one other guy in here that has hunted 'yotes? Here in Montana it's quite popular. They are classified as Varmints here, which means you can kill as many as you want, by whatever means you want..no licence needed. You can sell the whole animal for around $15-30 to a fur dealer. Or you can flesh, stretch and dry them and get around $75-100 a piece.

Though, most farmers just leave them rot where they die. They can cause a lot of damage to farmers and ranchers, and now the wolves are getting bad too since the new packs are thriving. Elk, Bison, cattle etc. The wolves seem to kill just to kill, leaving whole carcasses behind un-eaten. They increased the amount of tags issued for wolves this year, which has helped. Will be interesting going forward how this all plays out.

Just for reference, cattle deaths by all predators (including dogs, coyotes, and whatever else) account for less than 1% of cattle deaths nationwide. And ranchers are fully reimbursed for all wolf kills, even if they are grazing their cows on public lands wolves are known to inhabit. These kills are a drop in the bucked compared to losses from weather and infection.

The number of wolf kills might seem high until you realize how many hundreds of thousands of cows are being produced and look at numbers lost to whether. Here is some more info:

"The U.S. Department of Fish and Wildlife fingered black bears for 245 destroyed bee colonies last year. Ravens for pecking the eyes out of 19 kid goats. Grizzly bears for killing 10 cows, six calves, 24 sheep and a llama.

Wolves were the suspect in the deaths of 61 cows, 378 calves, three guard dogs and two herd dogs investigated by U.S. Wildlife, Steuber said. But coyotes were a force.

"Coyotes killed five adult cattle, 449 calves, 228 adult sheep, 3004 lambs, 35 goats and 18 chickens," he said.

But Mother Nature was unsurpassed: 22,000 cattle and 52,800 calves in Montana alone."
 
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Just for reference, cattle deaths by all predators (including dogs, coyotes, and whatever else) account for less than 1% of cattle deaths nationwide. And ranchers are fully reimbursed for all wolf kills, even if they are grazing their cows on public lands wolves are known to inhabit. These kills are a drop in the bucked compared to losses from weather and infection.

The number of wolf kills might seem high until you realize how many hundreds of thousands of cows are being produced and look at numbers lost to whether. Here is some more info:

"The U.S. Department of Fish and Wildlife fingered black bears for 245 destroyed bee colonies last year. Ravens for pecking the eyes out of 19 kid goats. Grizzly bears for killing 10 cows, six calves, 24 sheep and a llama.

Wolves were the suspect in the deaths of 61 cows, 378 calves, three guard dogs and two herd dogs investigated by U.S. Wildlife, Steuber said. But coyotes were a force.

"Coyotes killed five adult cattle, 449 calves, 228 adult sheep, 3004 lambs, 35 goats and 18 chickens," he said.

But Mother Nature was unsurpassed: 22,000 cattle and 52,800 calves in Montana alone."

That's a lot of frozen beef!
 

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Sure it does. Mountain lions eat coyotes all the time.
I was hiking in the Sandias and a guy told me I should put my dogs on a leash because a mountain lion chased his 80 pound Rottweiler up the trail then skidded into his legs before disappearing up the side of a canyon. He seemed credible but you never know.
 

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I was hiking in the Sandias and a guy told me I should put my dogs on a leash because a mountain lion chased his 80 pound Rottweiler up the trail then skidded into his legs before disappearing up the side of a canyon. He seemed credible but you never know.

They come out of nowhere usually. They always know you're there long before you're aware of them. I was watching a documentary recently showing how some cyclists on trails out west have been attacked by them, even though they rarely go for people, but the motion of a person on a bike resembles their prey and kicks in their hunting instincts.
 
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Wolves are so protected in New Mexico that if you kill one without a permit you'll be going away for a very long time.
 

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Wolves are so protected in New Mexico that if you kill one without a permit you'll be going away for a very long time.
Yeah they are so protected that ranchers have shot 50 of them since the attempt to reintroduce then began in the late '90s. They are hanging on in the Gila wilderness, which is a very cool place btw, but if they set foot outside it their life expectancy is zero.
 

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I grew up between a dairy farm and a regular farm with numerous animals for over 20 years. You can hear the coyotes every night howling away. I've never seen or heard my neighbours complain about dead animals due to those coyotes. They do however reek havoc on the deer population, especially in the winter when they have a serious advantage.
 

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I've been calling and hunting coyotes for 15+ years. Along with hunting a variety of other animals (waterfowl, upland birds, deer, turkeys, bear, elk, small game...) for 25 years. From my experiences I can say that coyotes are the most intelligent, elusive, and adaptable animals in North America. Thay are probably the animal that I respect the most and take the most pride in harvesting. Coyotes run rampant in suburbia and are in every major city in the U.S.

They are a predator and do help "control" small game populations(rabbits, mice, stray cats). However they also effect the pheasant population, take small dogs and cats and have been known to occasionally attack small children...

A large coyote is a 35 pound dog. If you mistake a coyote for a wolf, you shouldn't get behind the wheel of a car!! I have seen two wolves in my life and they are the size of a four wheeler.

Think of me what you will for hunting coyotes but I respect the hell out of them and do it in an ethical manner....


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This is a wolf next to a woman.

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This is a wolf next to a woman.

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That looks like a small female...Large males are larger




http://www.wolf.org/learn/basic-wolf-info/wolf-faqs/#n



How long and tall are wolves? As with weight, a wolf’s length and height are variable in different areas of the world. The figures that follow are commonly used to describe the larger subspecies of wolves in North America, Europe and central Asia. They are not accurate for several of the smaller subspecies in the southern latitudes of the Middle East, for example. The average length (tip of nose to tip of tail) of an adult female gray wolf is 4.5 to 6 feet; adult males average 5 to 6.5 feet. The average height (at the shoulder) of a gray wolf is 26 to 32 inches.
 

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The wolf is really rare up here, so I admit that I've only ever seen 1 in the wild and it was a good 80-100 yards away. But by all accounts from numerous people and having a friend that has a cross wolf/husky(awesome dog), they are nowhere near as big as you guys are saying here. They are a really big dog, think about a big husky IMO.
 

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Well, I just looked up a 4 wheeler, and the seat height is 35 inches..If a wolf is 32 at the shoulder then his head is probably 35...The poster was correct on comparing them to a 4 wheeler

Well the seat of a 4 wheeler isn't particularly high either. Kids get on them. And the largest wolves are only that height at the head.

A wolf is a fairly large dog. :shrug:
 

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Well the seat of a 4 wheeler isn't particularly high either. Kids get on them. A wolf is a fairly large dog. :shrug:
Maybe those European wolves are smaller..Thats what the link I posted said

See, even Wolves in America are bigger and better than their Euro counterparts
 

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