Coyotes in abundance in Chicago

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If we're talking about a sideways silhouette, then I suppose it's comparable. However the use of 4 wheeler makes the wolf sound like he's 400lbs and really miss leading IMO.

I get what youre saying...The sheer mass of a 4 wheeler would dwarf a wolf..I think he meant height
 

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Maybe those European wolves are smaller..Thats what the link I posted said

See, even Wolves in America are bigger and better than their Euro counterparts

Your insecurity is astounding.
 

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and I just trolled you for fun...hahahaha

Well, I guess you gotta do whatever makes you feel better.

What is it that you're trying to compensate for when you talk about things being big in America? I promise I won't tell anyone.
 

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Well, I guess you gotta do whatever makes you feel better.

What is it that you're trying to compensate for when you talk about things being big in America? I promise I won't tell anyone.

lmao..I knew that comment would set you off


But its true..American wolves are bigger
 

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lmao..I knew that comment would set you off


But its true..American wolves are bigger

They don't have wolves where I grew up. I'm half Scottish, half American, and don't really identify with mainland Europe (all of which is culturally different to me and speaks languages I don't understand), and certainly don't identify with the Eurasian wolf species, so I don't know why you keep thinking that you're "trolling" me with your comments about it. You're not. All it does is makes me wonder what, uh, small things in life you seem constantly desperate to compensate for :)
 

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Just for reference, cattle deaths by all predators (including dogs, coyotes, and whatever else) account for less than 1% of cattle deaths nationwide. And ranchers are fully reimbursed for all wolf kills, even if they are grazing their cows on public lands wolves are known to inhabit. These kills are a drop in the bucked compared to losses from weather and infection.

The number of wolf kills might seem high until you realize how many hundreds of thousands of cows are being produced and look at numbers lost to whether. Here is some more info:

"The U.S. Department of Fish and Wildlife fingered black bears for 245 destroyed bee colonies last year. Ravens for pecking the eyes out of 19 kid goats. Grizzly bears for killing 10 cows, six calves, 24 sheep and a llama.

Wolves were the suspect in the deaths of 61 cows, 378 calves, three guard dogs and two herd dogs investigated by U.S. Wildlife, Steuber said. But coyotes were a force.

"Coyotes killed five adult cattle, 449 calves, 228 adult sheep, 3004 lambs, 35 goats and 18 chickens," he said.

But Mother Nature was unsurpassed: 22,000 cattle and 52,800 calves in Montana alone."

You're right, I think the reaction from farmers and ranchers is mostly emotional. That number for deaths of cattle in Montana due to weather looks ridiculously high. Where did you find it? That's amazing.

While I'm a gun and hunting advocate in general, I think most reactions to wolf kills are a bit emotional. People around here hate wolves and want them gone for good, and I think it's based (subconsciously or not) in them wanting a better chance at a big Bull Elk. I think wolves were credited with between 300-400 elk kills this year, down something like 9% from last year.

Regarding Mick and others discussing the size of a wolf...they are big. Yeah, they're the size of a large dog but they are built different. There heads and paws and rib cages are huge, so while they may be the weight of a big domesticated dog the SEEM much bigger and they carry that weight differently. Because of that, people who have seen them up close and in person tend to have an exaggerated opinion of how big they are.

Oh, and Mick...do you have a Scottish accent at all?
 

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Maybe those European wolves are smaller..Thats what the link I posted said

See, even Wolves in America are bigger and better than their Euro counterparts

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Mistaking a wolf and a coyote on sight is like mistaking their howls. They aren't very hard to distinguish. They both can be a nuisance, but they are really good for the food chain. There could be wolves in northern IL before I die, which is a bit amazing considering they weren't considered present in the UP or Wisconsin when I was 18. They were in Minnesota and were thought to cross over from Isle Royale to the UP when Lake Superior froze, but I remember all of the debate. That was before they reintroduced moose to the UP.
 

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