Crawford NEEDS To Go!

[Ton]

A lottery ticket is a guy off the street. Scott Darling has performed well at the NHL level. And this team trying to win cups is likely going to have to take a step back next year to shed salary.




That's a team award. You don't win that without great team defense. And Crow only played in 57 games. Raanta and Darling brought the GAA average down.

Real good argument you have there.

Flawless.

Credit to Darling and Raanta, but the guy who played 70% of the games, it was all team defense!

"Only" 57 games... LOL

But those 15 games Scott Darling played... man oh man. No team necessary!

 

[italianbeef]

Real good argument you have there.

Flawless.

Credit to Darling and Raanta, but the guy who played 70% of the games, it was all team defense!

"Only" 57 games... LOL

But those 15 games Scott Darling played... man oh man. No team necessary!

You credited Crawford solely for the award, I was just pointing out the obvious, as I'm sure Crow would. Team defense affected all their numbers, but Crow was 3rd of the bunch.

I mean, you already said his numbers would dip on a lesser D team. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Ton]

You credited Crawford solely for the award, I was just pointing out the obvious, as I'm sure Crow would. Team defense affected all their numbers, but Crow was 3rd of the bunch.

I mean, you already said his numbers would dip on a lesser D team. You can't have it both ways.

I pointed out that Crawford is a top goaltender behind this team. That's all I said. I did not discredit the team in front of him, it certainly does work both ways. The team defense plays well in front of Crawford, and Crawford plays well behind this team defense. They won an award together and Crawford was a big part of that, which is something you discredited.

Any goaltender would have a performance dip if they went from the Hawks to a bottom feeder. The fact is, Crawford is a good fit for this team. A majority of the time, he plays well. The Hawks have made it to the Stanley Cup Finals twice and to the Conference Finals once in the past 3 years. Crawford is a huge part of that. Not the sole reason -- but a huge part. Hes a core player, it would be difficult to replace him.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

If Crawford had the 2005 Blackhawks in front of him, everyone would be screaming for his head.
Then again, no one would be watching and no one cared.

 

[The Hawk]

Simply put. Crawford is very much over-paid. Trade him and use the money elsewhere.

 

[TCD]

Simply put. Crawford is very much over-paid. Trade him and use the money elsewhere.

Well thats the tough part. Other teams know he is overpaid also. I dont think many would argue that he isnt overpaid even most of his loyal fans such as myself believe he is. What we crawford fans are tired of is using his salary as a justification that he isnt a top tier goalie in the league because he most certainly is. That contract is blurring peoples opinions of him as a talent. Thats cheap analysis.

 

[ClydeLee]

Hes only overpaid by 300-400K really. His current deal is tied with like 3/4 goalies for 6th highest. If he was at 5.7M he'd be like the 12th highest paid goalie which is basically what his range is.

 

[Rex]

Simply put. Crawford is very much over-paid. Trade him and use the money elsewhere.

Marc Andre Fleury is at 5.75 for the next 5 years. I don't know about you, but I'm much happier paying the extra $250,000

 

[CRM 114]

Real good argument you have there.

Flawless.

Credit to Darling and Raanta, but the guy who played 70% of the games, it was all team defense!

"Only" 57 games... LOL

But those 15 games Scott Darling played... man oh man. No team necessary!

I really wouldn't bother arguing with this dipshit.

 

[italianbeef]

I really wouldn't bother arguing with this dipshit.

You know, you're going to be much happier and successful in life if you learn to argue intelligently instead of trying to angrily shout down the opposition and then call the authorities to banish your opponent when that fails.

I peg you as one of those kids who grew up in a bubble of self-esteem, constantly hearing how great/special/unique/perfect you are, how it's your world and we're just living in it, nobody else is you, blah blah blah...and then when you left the nest you were hit squarely in the face with the reality that the world doesn't think the same.

 

[italianbeef]

Marc Andre Fleury is at 5.75 for the next 5 years. I don't know about you, but I'm much happier paying the extra $250,000

They're not dissimilar other than the fact that MAF had almost as many shutouts this year (10) as CC has in his career (12). MAF has 38 SO in his career, or 38 games where his offense could not show up and still walk away with a win.

Very underrated statistic.

 

[ClydeLee]

They're not dissimilar other than the fact that MAF had almost as many shutouts this year (10) as CC has in his career (12). MAF has 38 SO in his career, or 38 games where his offense could not show up and still walk away with a win.

Very underrated statistic.

Yes which is what is impressive also about Crows significant amount of wins this season alone and before with the Hawks scoring 1-2 goal games. They were winning most of his starts post-Kane this season and hardly were scoring above 2 goals a game for significant portions.

Corey also apart from his 2nd year OT games, hasn't been a playoff collapser or significantly worse statistically than in the regular season like MAF has been. He seems to have gotten somewhat better again the last couple seasons but his goals given up in critical times this year were bad. His gigantic early in the game let up rebounds in needed wins don't help his case.

Yeah Crawford is prone to occasionally still letting one goal in or giving up a soft goal. He usually locks down stronger in games after that though, it's far less common for him to collapse like some goalies, especially like MAF or LOU

 

[Rex]

They're not dissimilar other than the fact that MAF had almost as many shutouts this year (10) as CC has in his career (12). MAF has 38 SO in his career, or 38 games where his offense could not show up and still walk away with a win.

Very underrated statistic.

Fleury had 10 shutouts and still a lower save percentage than Crawford did.

Shutouts don't mean shit.

 

[CRM 114]

You know, you're going to be much happier and successful in life if you learn to argue intelligently instead of trying to angrily shout down the opposition and then call the authorities to banish your opponent when that fails.

I peg you as one of those kids who grew up in a bubble of self-esteem, constantly hearing how great/special/unique/perfect you are, how it's your world and we're just living in it, nobody else is you, blah blah blah...and then when you left the nest you were hit squarely in the face with the reality that the world doesn't think the same.

Most of what you said isn't true.

You're the one who is blasting Crawford for no reason. He deserves alot of credit for what the Hawks have been able to to the last 3 years. There is no way we are this successful without him. How many 2-1, or 3-1 games have we won in the playoffs the last three years? It's tough to score in the playoffs. You need great goaltending or you have no chance.

As for Darling, he could be as good or better than Crawford, but if he isn't and we get rid of Crawford, then we're fucked. Darling has played about 15 or so games. There are a lot of goalies who are capable of playing 15 or so decent games. I need to see alot more from Darling before I'm comfortable with him as our starter.

 

[Mr. Jones]

I agree, Crawford needs to go..go be outstanding in goal the next 2 games. Bowman sure has his work cut out for him though. Tough decisions for sure. May not be able to afford Saad whose only 22 and rising into a great player...

 

[italianbeef]

As for Darling, he could be as good or better than Crawford, but if he isn't and we get rid of Crawford, then we're fucked. Darling has played about 15 or so games. There are a lot of goalies who are capable of playing 15 or so decent games. I need to see alot more from Darling before I'm comfortable with him as our starter.

Did you say the same of Niemi and Crawford when they took over? Darling has 19 starts, more than either of those guys did when they took over. Some times you have to take a calculated risk for the better of the team.

I'm also not "blasting" Crawford, just weighing the options for next year.

 

[CRM 114]

^Didn't Niemi demand more money than the Hawks could give him? They had no choice but to go with Crawford (that or Turco). Crawford is under contract now, so we aren't necessarily forced to play Darling or Raanta.

 

[Tater]

^Didn't Niemi demand more money than the Hawks could give him? They had no choice but to go with Crawford (that or Turco). Crawford is under contract now, so we aren't necessarily forced to play Darling or Raanta.

I basically came down to keeping Niemi or Hjammer. Luckily they made the right choice.

 

[Rex]

Did you say the same of Niemi and Crawford when they took over? Darling has 19 starts, more than either of those guys did when they took over. Some times you have to take a calculated risk for the better of the team.

I'm also not "blasting" Crawford, just weighing the options for next year.

And Crawford won the spot after backing up Turco for half a season. So by your logic, let Darling and Crawford battle it out next season, and if Darling wins the spot, so be it.

 

[NCChiFan]

I agree, Crawford needs to go..go be outstanding in goal the next 2 games. Bowman sure has his work cut out for him though. Tough decisions for sure. May not be able to afford Saad whose only 22 and rising into a great player...

Well, he came up big tonight... So 1 for 2 so far...