Crawford NEEDS To Go!

[Sunbiz1]

The problem I have with that mindset is that people who have it tend not to apply it evenly across the team.

To wit: they expect Crawford to be perfect and make a 4'x6' cinderblock wall look bad, but in the same vein if Toews, Kane, Keith, Sharp, Hossa, & Seabrook screw the pooch or play like the the team did in 2007 (which they have in the playoffs), they get a pass for some reason. IMHO you can't have it both ways--either all of your 5M+ players get a pass for the occasional brainfart because they're human, or you expect perfection for shelling out that kind of wampum.

My $0.02

"It is more than just a game to me"-Corey Crawford.

You don't often hear statements such as this anymore, guys like Ryne Sandberg, Jordan, Payton once said the same.

It also won me over.

 

[LordKOTL]

"It is more than just a game to me"-Corey Crawford.

You don't often hear statements such as this anymore, guys like Ryne Sandberg, Jordan, Payton once said the same.

It also won me over.

His attitude is awesome--as awesome as his speech at the parade.

I just think the balance of expectations with repect to his salary is completely out of balance with the rest of the team. It's demanded he's perfect--when he's not he costs to much. Any of our skaters making the same aren't expected to be perfect and when they're not it gets a pass. IMHO it's gotta be in balance. Right now with the way this series has gone calling for Crawford's head is as recockulous as calling for Kane's head. Kane disappeared like Kim Johnsson but in no way shape or from should he be off the team--even considering the fatc that a young rookie (T²) is outplaying him.

 

[Ton]

His attitude is awesome--as awesome as his speech at the parade.

I just think the balance of expectations with repect to his salary is completely out of balance with the rest of the team. It's demanded he's perfect--when he's not he costs to much. Any of our skaters making the same aren't expected to be perfect and when they're not it gets a pass. IMHO it's gotta be in balance. Right now with the way this series has gone calling for Crawford's head is as recockulous as calling for Kane's head. Kane disappeared like Kim Johnsson but in no way shape or from should he be off the team--even considering the fatc that a young rookie (T²) is outplaying him.

Logic, what a beautiful gift.

Great post!

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I really just hate the contract. 6 million is a lot to have tied up in a goalie who is hit or miss at times. I wouldn't call Crow top 5 in the league, and he's getting too 5 $$$. I would rather him get 3-4 million and we have more space.

Then again Kane and Toews got monster deals that fucked the salary cap as well.


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[Ton]

I really just hate the contract. 6 million is a lot to have tied up in a goalie who is hit or miss at times. I wouldn't call Crow top 5 in the league, and he's getting too 5 $$$. I would rather him get 3-4 million and we have more space.

Then again Kane and Toews got monster deals that fucked the salary cap as well.


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Name a top 5 goalie that isn't hit or miss.

Take a look at the goaltenders that are making 3-4 mil... do you think the Hawks would make it to the Stanley Cup Finals 2 out of 3 years and a conference final the other year without Crow?

I think he's borderline top 5, can certainly make the argument. I'm more comfortable with him than the Rasks and Quicks of the league.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Name a top 5 goalie that isn't hit or miss.

Let's be real here, Crow seems to shit the bed more so than the other 6 million dollar goalies.

Crows numbers are the benefit of the team in front of him... Hell, Emery and Darling put up all star numbers and I wouldn't say their #1s


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[Shantz My Pants]

Name a top 5 goalie that isn't hit or miss.

Take a look at the goaltenders that are making 3-4 mil... do you think the Hawks would make it to the Stanley Cup Finals 2 out of 3 years and a conference final the other year without Crow?

I think he's borderline top 5, can certainly make the argument. I'm more comfortable with him than the Rasks and Quicks of the league.

I'd take quick and rask over Crawford every day.

Again, this is all going to be personal opinion, but I'm not a fan of Crow.


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[Shantz My Pants]

Until they figure out a way to measure quality scoring shots compared to a regular shot, we won't know.


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[TCD]

Im having trouble deciding who the top five goalies in this league are now. It feels like it could change every season and does. Besides Price i think the other four spots can be tossed around. Guys like Rask, Quick, Pekka and Lundqvist to a lesser extent arent really guys that will solidify the top five spots anymore. Who else is there that is cemented as a top five goalie? Rask did not have good years by his standards he was miserable this season

 

[Ton]

I'd take quick and rask over Crawford every day.

Again, this is all going to be personal opinion, but I'm not a fan of Crow.


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Two goaltenders that are way more hit or miss than Crawford, and you'd rather have them? Cmon man...

 

[ClydeLee]

Let's be real here, Crow seems to shit the bed more so than the other 6 million dollar goalies.

Crows numbers are the benefit of the team in front of him... Hell, Emery and Darling put up all star numbers and I wouldn't say their #1s


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You're specifically saying I don't like crawford and saying lets be real in other terms... I don't think you are being.

Other 6 Mil goalies.. that includes CAM fricken Ward, Ryan Miller, Varlamov, and 100K less of Kari Lehtonen. No way does he fall apart of shit it up eventually more than them. Is he as good as the top 4 salary makers, nope. The top 5 of them plus Quick is the top 5 for a reason. And a couple others are better all around goalies but also do actually fluctuate and fall apart far more than Crow does, the so little he does that is actually his biggest strength.

 

[Ton]

Let's be real here, Crow seems to shit the bed more so than the other 6 million dollar goalies.

Crows numbers are the benefit of the team in front of him... Hell, Emery and Darling put up all star numbers and I wouldn't say their #1s


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How many other teams do you follow where you came up with this conclusion? You say that because you watch every Hawks game, how many other teams do you watch game in and out?

 

[Ton]

For the hell of it:

Lundqvist - 8 games under .900 sv% (3 under 800)
Crawford - 13 games under .900 sv% (3 under .800)
Rask - 15 games under .900 sv% (3 under .800)
Price - 17 games under .900 sv% (1 under .800)
Rinne - 18 games under .900sv% (0 under .800)
Quick - 22 games under .900 sv% (3 under .800)

So... yeah.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

To be fair, I don't watch many other teams goalies and yeah, Cam Ward isn't a 6 million dollar goaltender.

Again, this is all going to be opinion, but I wouldn't put Crow top 5. Top 10? Sure.

Those who are better IMO: Price, Rinne, Lundqvist, Rask, Quick, Schneider, Lehtonen.

Again, it's opinion, but I don't see the consistency from Crawford that you would expect from a top 5 goalie. Maybe others are the same, but a few of these guys are consistently top 5.


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[Shantz My Pants]

Doesn't NHL 15 ratings matter!?!?


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[Ton]

To be fair, I don't watch many other teams goalies and yeah, Cam Ward isn't a 6 million dollar goaltender.

Again, this is all going to be opinion, but I wouldn't put Crow top 5. Top 10? Sure.

Those who are better IMO: Price, Rinne, Lundqvist, Rask, Quick, Schneider, Lehtonen.

Again, it's opinion, but I don't see the consistency from Crawford that you would expect from a top 5 goalie. Maybe others are the same, but a few of these guys are consistently top 5.


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I'll just post it again...

For the hell of it:

Lundqvist - 8 games under .900 sv% (3 under 800)
Crawford - 13 games under .900 sv% (3 under .800)
Rask - 15 games under .900 sv% (3 under .800)
Price - 17 games under .900 sv% (1 under .800)
Rinne - 18 games under .900sv% (0 under .800)
Quick - 22 games under .900 sv% (3 under .800)


So... yeah.

Your opinion sucks!

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I'll just post it again...

Since when though? I'm looking at past 3-4 years.


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[Ton]

Since when though? I'm looking at past 3-4 years.


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That was just this year.

If you're looking at the past 3-4 years, I'd venture to guess the numbers would still be in Crawfords favor. I mean, he did make it to the Cup Final 2 of the last 3 years and a conference final, and it's not like he was terrible those years either. He's been great the last 3 years.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

That was just this year.

If you're looking at the past 3-4 years, I'd venture to guess the numbers would still be in Crawfords favor. I mean, he did make it to the Cup Final 2 of the last 3 years, and it's not like he was terrible. He's been great the last 3 years.

Chris Osgood also got to the SC finals a bunch of times.....


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[LordKOTL]

I'd take quick and rask over Crawford every day.

Again, this is all going to be personal opinion, but I'm not a fan of Crow.


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With Rask you're dealing with 7M. Quick, if he didn't sign before the 2nd cup, would be making well over 7M. Hell, one could even argue that Crawford is worth *more* than 6M right now with his 2nd Jennings (where he didn't have any substantial defensive help for half of the season), much less if in the next two games he ends up winning a 2nd cup. He's not overpaid. His career numbers are right in-line with netminders on his echelon--and his echelon is, as of 2014 dollars, right around 6M.

Could we have gotten by with less? Maybe in 2013 when the team was a machine. This year--maybe, maybe not. The same squad in front of Crawford not only bailed on him but bailed on Darling as well. Maybe Crawford is only part of the problem. After all, ever player we have making more than 5M AAV is responsible for costing us a game these playoffs--including Smythe frontrunner Keith.

I'm just asking for some balance and even-handedness. Crawford hasn't been perfect but let's not pretend the team in front of him is beyond reproach.