Crawford NEEDS To Go!

[Shantz My Pants]

Crawford has had some great moments, and some really shitty ones. Not a fan of saying he's too 5 in the league. Top 10? Sure.


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[CRM 114]

Im having trouble deciding who the top five goalies in this league are now. It feels like it could change every season and does. Besides Price i think the other four spots can be tossed around. Guys like Rask, Quick, Pekka and Lundqvist to a lesser extent arent really guys that will solidify the top five spots anymore. Who else is there that is cemented as a top five goalie? Rask did not have good years by his standards he was miserable this season

I'd say

1. Lundqvist
2. Price
3. Rask
4. Quick

Number 5 is tricky. You could make the case for Crawford, Rinne, Smith, Varlamov, Luongo, or Bishop. There's probably a couple others you could make a case for as well.

 

[Ton]

Crawford has had some great moments, and some really shitty ones. Not a fan of saying he's too 5 in the league. Top 10? Sure.


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Fair enough. I think he is top 5 by a hair, this year.

Next year, who knows.

 

[Ton]

I'd say

1. Lundqvist
2. Price
3. Rask
4. Quick

Number 5 is tricky. You could make the case for Crawford, Rinne, Smith, Varlamov, Luongo, or Bishop. There's probably a couple others you could make a case for as well.

See, this is what I don't understand.

How is Rask or Quick a top 5 goaltender? It's almost like they are both placed in there by default because they won the Cup recently.

Quick was not a top 5 goaltender this year. Rask was better than Quick, but not top 5 either. Top 5 goaltenders make the playoffs. If anything, Quick was so bad that the Kings missed the playoffs because of him.

Next year, things may change... but at the present moment, I just don't think Quick or Rask are top 5 goaltenders. Quick wasn't even top 10 IMO.

 

[TCD]

See, this is what I don't understand.

How is Rask or Quick a top 5 goaltender? It's almost like they are both placed in there by default because they won the Cup recently.

Quick was not a top 5 goaltender this year. Rask was better than Quick, but not top 5 either. Top 5 goaltenders make the playoffs. If anything, Quick was so bad that the Kings missed the playoffs because of him.

Next year, things may change... but at the present moment, I just don't think Quick or Rask are top 5 goaltenders. Quick wasn't even top 10 IMO.

In Quicks and Rasks defense the Kings and Bruins overall were brutal this year. Quick had one viable blueliner playing in front of him and Doughty somewhat burnt out. Kings overall looked like a cup burnt out team much like the Hawks did in 2011. Rask had very little help also esp with a Bruins team banged up all year up the middle and Chara who is a mere shadow of his old self. These are the excuses which give them some passes but neither guy was very good at the same time this season. In 2011 i think Craw was actually one of the reasons the Hawks even made the playoffs and he certainly was the reason for taking the Canucks to a game 7 ot in the first round....thats probably out of peoples heads by now though but boy that team was messy in 2011 with the contracts and the cup burn out and duncs having a horrible season. Craw really was important

 

[Ton]

In Quicks and Rasks defense the Kings and Bruins overall were brutal this year. Quick had one viable blueliner playing in front of him and Doughty somewhat burnt out. Kings overall looked like a cup burnt out team much like the Hawks did in 2011. Rask had very little help also esp with a Bruins team banged up all year up the middle and Chara who is a mere shadow of his old self. These are the excuses which give them some passes but neither guy was very good at the same time this season. In 2011 i think Craw was actually one of the reasons the Hawks even made the playoffs and he certainly was the reason for taking the Canucks to a game 7 ot in the first round....thats probably out of peoples heads by now though but boy that team was messy in 2011 with the contracts and the cup burn out and duncs having a horrible season. Craw really was important

Good points. Kings and Bruins did not have good years overall, but Quick definitely was a big part of the problem. Rask was OK... he gave his team a chance at a playoff spot but I wouldn't say he carried the team either. I don't think you can sit here with a straight face and say they played like top 5 goaltenders this year. But yeah, Kings and Bruins did not play to their potential as a team.

I think Crow has had one bad year as a Hawk, which hurt the team, that was 2011-2012. Other than that he's been rock solid. I agree on 2011. He should have won the Conn Smythe in 2013. In 2014 he had a pretty good year, nearly another Cup Finals appearance. Now it's 2015, won some hardware and besides the 1st round hiccup he's been fantastic -- swept the next round and was a big part of advancing against the Ducks, now on the brink of his 2nd Cup win.

One last point: Even though Rask and Quick had "down" years by their standards, I don't hear anyone talking about how the Kings or Bruins need to get rid of those guys. Now look at Crawford, in a good year, and Hawks fans want him gone. I just don't get it.

 

[LordKOTL]

Crawford has had some great moments, and some really shitty ones. Not a fan of saying he's too 5 in the league. Top 10? Sure.


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Well, let's look at the top 10 goalies based on purely AAV salary:

Lundqvist
Bobrovsky
Rask
Rinne
Price
Ward
Miller
Schneider
Crawford
Bishop

and the next 5:

Lehtonen
Varlamov
Quick
Fleury
Smith

That should represent guys who, at some time, played goal well enough to be paid in the top half of goalies--which is essentially half of the league's starters.

I would think that Crawford makes a case for being top 5 (especially if he wins tonight or Wednesday), would likely be in the top half of that list, and easily is top 10. There will likley be goalies moving in and out of that list--especially as some goalies who've done all of jack and shit start making less and new netminders start making more, but what you're looking at is a spread of the top 15 goalies based on contract in the league with a spread between 8.5 and 5.666 million dollars. In other words, a netminder in the middle of that pack of 15 (Crawford's level) should make about 6.38M AAV. Again: Market. At some point all of those netminders did something to warrant that pay.

 

[CRM 114]

See, this is what I don't understand.

How is Rask or Quick a top 5 goaltender? It's almost like they are both placed in there by default because they won the Cup recently.

Quick was not a top 5 goaltender this year. Rask was better than Quick, but not top 5 either. Top 5 goaltenders make the playoffs. If anything, Quick was so bad that the Kings missed the playoffs because of him.

Next year, things may change... but at the present moment, I just don't think Quick or Rask are top 5 goaltenders. Quick wasn't even top 10 IMO.

That wasn't my top 5 for this year.

 

[Rex]

See, this is what I don't understand.

How is Rask or Quick a top 5 goaltender? It's almost like they are both placed in there by default because they won the Cup recently.

Quick was not a top 5 goaltender this year. Rask was better than Quick, but not top 5 either. Top 5 goaltenders make the playoffs. If anything, Quick was so bad that the Kings missed the playoffs because of him.

Next year, things may change... but at the present moment, I just don't think Quick or Rask are top 5 goaltenders. Quick wasn't even top 10 IMO.

Why do we count Rask as a cup winning goalie? Because he opened the bench and watched Thomas win the Conn Smythe?

 

[Ton]

Why do we count Rask as a cup winning goalie? Because he opened the bench and watched Thomas win the Conn Smythe?

Haha, well that's true... but he also made it to the Finals himself. I guess I was referring to that more than anything.

 

[Ton]

Well, let's look at the top 10 goalies based on purely AAV salary:

Lundqvist
Bobrovsky
Rask
Rinne
Price
Ward
Miller
Schneider
Crawford
Bishop

and the next 5:

Lehtonen
Varlamov
Quick
Fleury
Smith

That should represent guys who, at some time, played goal well enough to be paid in the top half of goalies--which is essentially half of the league's starters.

I would think that Crawford makes a case for being top 5 (especially if he wins tonight or Wednesday), would likely be in the top half of that list, and easily is top 10. There will likley be goalies moving in and out of that list--especially as some goalies who've done all of jack and shit start making less and new netminders start making more, but what you're looking at is a spread of the top 15 goalies based on contract in the league with a spread between 8.5 and 5.666 million dollars. In other words, a netminder in the middle of that pack of 15 (Crawford's level) should make about 6.38M AAV. Again: Market. At some point all of those netminders did something to warrant that pay.

On that list, I'd take CC over everyone except Price, Lundqvist, and maybe Schneider if he proves he can win the big games.

I like Bobrovsky too, but again, until he plays and wins those big games you'll never know if he can handle the pressure. I think Varlamov has potential too.

Quick is unstoppable when hes on his game, but when hes not hes a sieve, same with Fleury. Might as well interchange the name plates on those jerseys cause as far as I'm concerned it's the same guy in net.

Rinne can't play in big games. I wouldn't trust him. Same with Miller, Rask, and Luongo. Mike Smith is a toss-up, another headcase screwball goaltender that gets in his own head in the big games. You just can't trust those guys to perform well enough when it matters. Crow has proven time and time again that he can play well in big games (and pretty consistent regardless of the stage) while 95% of the rest of these guys have choked, time and time again.

 

[TCD]

I too am a schnerd fan. Thi k the canucks fucked themselves hard when they traded him lol.

I was and still am from the camp that Schnerd and Craw were going to be the goalies to watch when they were drafted. Thought Schnerd had a great junior campaign and i thought Craw fared well himself. Have no issues with either in the nhl. Poor schnerd in new jersey though..poor poor schnerd.

 

[LordKOTL]

That's the whole thing about it...where would Crawford go?

Lundqvist, in spite of never winning the Grail, is beyond Crawford's league.
BobRossky has 1 good year. He's got potenial.
Rask has better numbers but Crawford beat him head-to-head for the cup
Rinne's got better numbers I might consider him over Crawford.
I would probably take Price over Crawford.
Ward hasn't done shit since winning it.
Miller probably once upon a time over Crawford, but not now.
Schnieder's got potential, like Bobrovsky.
Bishop comes down to these next 2 games.
Crawford over Lehtonen, easy
Varlamint had 1 good year.
Quick I'd probably take over Crawford, but it would be close.
Fleury's like Ward--hasn't done Jack or Shit in years
Smith had one great year but since he's been Huet-like.

So, IMHO Lundqvist, Price, and Quick I would definitly take over Crawford. Bobrovski, Bishop, or Schnieder it's a push. I would take Crawford over all the others which puts Crawford in the 4-7 range, which is possibly top 5, definitly top-10, and right in the middel of the pack in terms of the top starting netminders...which means he's worth about 6.38 based on market value.

 

[CRM 114]

That's the whole thing about it...where would Crawford go?

Lundqvist, in spite of never winning the Grail, is beyond Crawford's league.
BobRossky has 1 good year. He's got potenial.
Rask has better numbers but Crawford beat him head-to-head for the cup
Rinne's got better numbers I might consider him over Crawford.
I would probably take Price over Crawford.
Ward hasn't done shit since winning it.
Miller probably once upon a time over Crawford, but not now.
Schnieder's got potential, like Bobrovsky.
Bishop comes down to these next 2 games.
Crawford over Lehtonen, easy
Varlamint had 1 good year.
Quick I'd probably take over Crawford, but it would be close.
Fleury's like Ward--hasn't done Jack or Shit in years
Smith had one great year but since he's been Huet-like.

So, IMHO Lundqvist, Price, and Quick I would definitly take over Crawford. Bobrovski, Bishop, or Schnieder it's a push. I would take Crawford over all the others which puts Crawford in the 4-7 range, which is possibly top 5, definitly top-10, and right in the middel of the pack in terms of the top starting netminders...which means he's worth about 6.38 based on market value.

Great analysis, but in all fairness Fleury did have a very solid season this year.

 

[Rex]

Great analysis, but in all fairness Fleury did have a very solid season this year.

numbers still worse than Crawford despite having 10 shutouts. Meaning that if Crawford is inconsistent, what does that make Fleury?

 

[LordKOTL]

{crickets}

 

[Rush]

Is this thread about where Crawford is going to go celebrate after winning the Stanley Cup?

 

[Jester]

He must go ! LMAO

 

[Globetrotter]

I'd say

1. Lundqvist
2. Price
3. Rask
4. Quick

Number 5 is tricky. You could make the case for Crawford, Rinne, Smith, Varlamov, Luongo, or Bishop. There's probably a couple others you could make a case for as well.

Luongo? What year is it?

 

[italianbeef]

Crow and this team are a good fit. Mid-20's in shots faced, D keeping him clean for the most part, and CC coming up with timely saves. That formula works.