Cubs Farm System And Prospects Discussion Thread

[chibears55]

It would be interesting to see what type of starting pitcher could they get for a package consisted of SP Hendricks, OF Soler, 1B Vogelbach and 2B Happ.

They would still have SS Torres, CF Martinez and OF Jimenez in minors, and if they could get young TOR pitcher for the package above (think Sale/Salazar/Teheran), then the pitching quality would be off the charts.

I don't think theyll trade Hendricks, he only what 26? and he been showing good progress.
If they do find an under 30 to trade for this deadline, it will be Hammel who gets moved either in a deal ( which i doubt) or to the pen ( most likely).

Trading Soler will depend on if they go and add another LFer, or if Almora/Coghlin takes over LF.

Vogelbach and Happ, i agree are somewhat blocked for future and are valuable pieces on a deal.

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[CSF77]

I don't think theyll trade Hendricks, he only what 26? and he been showing good progress.
If they do find an under 30 to trade for this deadline, it will be Hammel who gets moved either in a deal ( which i doubt) or to the pen ( most likely).

Trading Soler will depend on if they go and add another LFer, or if Almora/Coghlin takes over LF.

Vogelbach and Happ, i agree are somewhat blocked for future and are valuable pieces on a deal.

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Happ is not blocked

Cog maybe the guy booted off when Soler gets back. He is not a guy you want on a contender

 

[SilenceS]

Happ is not blocked

Cog maybe the guy booted off when Soler gets back. He is not a guy you want on a contender

Cog is a left handed bat with pop and can has versatility. I think he was a good pick up.


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[chibears55]

Happ is not blocked

Cog maybe the guy booted off when Soler gets back. He is not a guy you want on a contender

Happ: As a starter, sure he is somewhat...

With Baez, Russell, Zobrist, Almora,Schwarber, ETC.
who is he coming up and knocking out as a starter in 2-3 years, unless they trade away someone ?

Plus there others in the system they can use at position(s ) he plays that right with him or just under him.
Torres, Martinez, ETC

So, Happ expendable



Not too sure Cogs will get axed upon Soler return..
They didn't trade away Alcantara for a few weeks of Cogs.
Cogs their best LH option off bench now.

Yes they have a big decision to make when both Soler and LaStella are ready to return, which one can be using Soler in a deal.

But i dont think dumping Cogs is automatic, especially if he contributing.

I can think of a couple guys on this team that you wouldn't want on your contending team other then Cogs..


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[CSF77]

Cog is a left handed bat with pop and can has versatility. I think he was a good pick up.


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Kalish

 

[CSF77]

Happ: As a starter, sure he is somewhat...

With Baez, Russell, Zobrist, Almora,Schwarber, ETC.
who is he coming up and knocking out as a starter in 2-3 years, unless they trade away someone ?

Plus there others in the system they can use at position(s ) he plays that right with him or just under him.
Torres, Martinez, ETC

So, Happ expendable



Not too sure Cogs will get axed upon Soler return..
They didn't trade away Alcantara for a few weeks of Cogs.
Cogs their best LH option off bench now.

Yes they have a big decision to make when both Soler and LaStella are ready to return, which one can be using Soler in a deal.

But i dont think dumping Cogs is automatic, especially if he contributing.

I can think of a couple guys on this team that you wouldn't want on your contending team other then Cogs..


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Happ is in A+ not AAA. so not seeing the block. That is 2 years away and that is a whole bunch of time to say sqwat about him. Vogy. Another story

The whole L/R thing is over blown. You have to look at the numbers then look at what they are prone to. So say Almora was prone to hard sliders in the dirt from a RH starter then yes it would make sense to sit him. But if you have a change up guy in there it wouldn't factor. So sitting Almora would make little sense on that match up because it stalls development.

Not saying this is the case but as a example. Not going to look too deep into it.

Cog would be ideal if he was playing 2B/3B/1B. Then his BA short coming would be justified to his flex. But sitting in LF? Not really. It becomes his BA and slag that matter 100%

 

[chibears55]

Kalish

Kalish is in minors..

So, who gets cut for Kalish if their cutting Cogs for Soler

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[chibears55]

Happ is in A+ not AAA. so not seeing the block. That is 2 years away and that is a whole bunch of time to say sqwat about him. Vogy. Another story

The whole L/R thing is over blown. You have to look at the numbers then look at what they are prone to. So say Almora was prone to hard sliders in the dirt from a RH starter then yes it would make sense to sit him. But if you have a change up guy in there it wouldn't factor. So sitting Almora would make little sense on that match up because it stalls development.

Not saying this is the case but as a example. Not going to look too deep into it.

Cog would be ideal if he was playing 2B/3B/1B. Then his BA short coming would be justified to his flex. But sitting in LF? Not really. It becomes his BA and slag that matter 100%

Point is on Happ..
Yes he 2-3 yrs away but he is expendable now because they have guys up now who young and plays his position and they have others in minors who just as talented and plays his positions, so he is somewhat blocked and can be used now as a valuable piece in a solid trade.


My point with Soler is...
If he is wanted in a deal, the Cubs can either trade for another LFer or use Almora/Cogs in LF if their both contributing.

Has nothing to with platooning lefty/righty but more to do with both can play LF..
Maddon can use the Lefty/Righty matchup if he chooses cause he has that option with them.



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[Omeletpants]

I dont see the value of Soler on this team. Even full time he is a .245/17/65 player with below average defense. Almora and Szcyzr are better choices and they dont have to leave the game in the 7th inning

 

[CubsWin]

I dont see the value of Soler on this team. Even full time he is a .245/17/65 player with below average defense. Almora and Szcyzr are better choices and they dont have to leave the game in the 7th inning

Yes, Soler's defense along with Almora's arrival makes Soler not long for this team. Almora's here to stay. Great defense, plus he already carries himself like a professional. Now I understand what one scout said back when he was drafted, that Almora reminds him of Jonathan Toews. I thought it was a strange comparison, but I'm starting to see it.

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

I dont see the value of Soler on this team. Even full time he is a .245/17/65 player with below average defense. Almora and Szcyzr are better choices and they dont have to leave the game in the 7th inning

You been saying this long enough now to have cataloged it onto egg pants broken record collection along with dick licker....and.....I'm rippin my dick off.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Yes, Soler's defense along with Almora's arrival makes Soler not long for this team. Almora's here to stay. Great defense, plus he already carries himself like a professional. Now I understand what one scout said back when he was drafted, that Almora reminds him of Jonathan Toews. I thought it was a strange comparison, but I'm starting to see it.

Ummm. Almora is a CF. Soler is a Corner. Almora being up has no bearing on whether or not Soler is traded.

 

[Hammer]

LOL, if you can play CF, then you can as easily play any OF position (especially if you're used as a pinch hitter).
And when you have Bryant, Schwarber, Heyward, Almora and Szczur as long term assets in your outfield, then Soler seems kinda expendable, so it would be wise to trade him while the value is still somewhat high.

Considering Hendricks, he is, and will always be bottom of rotation SP (b/c he lacks 3rd pitch and can't KO hitters), so if you can package him with other talent to acquire young TOR SP, then that's a no brainer deal, especially since you have couple of BOR types waiting in the pipeline (AAA Williams, AA Blackburn, Underwood).

Happ isn't a great hitter (kinda seems like a Draft bust), plus they already have younger and more talented SS/2B player in minors (Torres).

And last, Vogelbach basically isn't fitted to be everyday field position player, so as he's a great hitter, he may be valuable to some AL team as DH.

So if you could flip younger, but already proven to be not that great players (Hendricks, Soler) and expendable minors guys (Vogeblach, Happ) for a quality younger TOR SP (as I already said, Sale/Salazar/Cole/Teheran type), then that's a great option for the team (especially considering how Cubs lack higher quality pitching talent in minors).

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Happ's no bust and was considered the best hitter in last year's draft. He's slashing .278/.395/.425 with walk rate of 16.4%. What he needs to get better at is reducing the K's. I'm not guaranteeing he's a MLB player but there's a lot to like and calling him a bust is silly.

 

[Parade_Rain]

LOL, if you can play CF, then you can as easily play any OF position...

A CF usually doesn't have the pop in the bat that most teams look for in Corner OF.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Happ just made the all-star team, calling him a bust is idiotic.

 

[CubsWin]

Ummm. Almora is a CF. Soler is a Corner. Almora being up has no bearing on whether or not Soler is traded.

Ummm. Almora's been playing left field in Soler's absence and is a right-handed hitter, like Soler. But I was thinking more of next season. Fowler's contract is up, so Almora plays CF and Schwarbs, and sometimes Bryant plays LF.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Ummm. Almora's been playing left field in Soler's absence and is a right-handed hitter, like Soler. But I was thinking more of next season. Fowler's contract is up, so Almora plays CF and Schwarbs, and sometimes Bryant plays LF.

Once again, Almora being up has no bearing on Soler getting traded.

 

[Omeletpants]

Long term Soler has no place on this team

 

[chibears55]

Once again, Almora being up has no bearing on Soler getting traded.

Almora contributing does...

If there a deal to be made for Soler, having Almora contributing in a positive way will make it that much easier for Theo to pull the trigger...

The next couple weeks when both LaStella and Soler are ready to return, their going to have to make a decision.

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