Cubs hire Craig Counsell as manager

[Bust]

So I would view this as Jed wants the core to be internal and they have to get playing time. He will add players via trade or F/A if he has a hole to fill

maybe Jed will get lucky and pull off similar deals to jump start it and take the next big step

Recalling the Cubs trade that netted Aramis Ramirez and Kenny Lofton

When the Cubs acquired Kenny Lofton and Aramis Ramirez in 2003, they pulled off one of the most lopsided trades of the last two decades.

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Orioles Trade Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop to Cubs for Scott Feldman

The Baltimore Orioles have acquired starting pitcher Scott Feldman from the Chicago Cubs in exchange for starting pitcher Jake Arrieta, reliever Pedro Strop and international signing bonus slots...

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[CSF77]

maybe Jed will get lucky and pull off similar deals to jump start it and take the next big step

Recalling the Cubs trade that netted Aramis Ramirez and Kenny Lofton

When the Cubs acquired Kenny Lofton and Aramis Ramirez in 2003, they pulled off one of the most lopsided trades of the last two decades.

cubbiescrib.com

Orioles Trade Jake Arrieta and Pedro Strop to Cubs for Scott Feldman

The Baltimore Orioles have acquired starting pitcher Scott Feldman from the Chicago Cubs in exchange for starting pitcher Jake Arrieta, reliever Pedro Strop and international signing bonus slots...

bleacherreport.com

IDK. If Jed Signs Turner for 3B and Candy for 1B and gives Mervis some opportunity I would be fine.

My expectations right now are not the moon. I want to see PCA get some love and Horton pushed up. Also Casey pushed up. To me that is awesome for a year.

Creg has a history of getting the most out of what he was given so let the process work and get the talent maturing.

I don't know if this was a core issue that Jed had with David. But David would not give a player a chance to adjust after the mid season point. When they started winning he pulled the plug on Mervis and really gave no opportunity to PCA to struggle.

 

[Diehardfan]

The reason the Cubs didn't make is because it was a .500 team slapped together with tape and gum. The last few years pitching has changed where guys get slotted....bullpens are more important than ever. Hoyer gave them nothing but a lot broken down bums that ended up being over worked because of injuries and lack of backup arms. He left them short handed. Not sure this is exactly right but I'm pretty sure the bullpen didn't put up one zero in the entire ultra important Atlanta series....even if they had schleped in....the playoff teams used more bullpen pitchers than ever. The Cubs certainly wouldn't have gone far with the crap Hoyer provided them with. A new manager won't change that....only Hoyer can. Which is why I don't believe they will extend his ass unless he does.

 

[knoxville7]

2023 Ross goes 83-79 and just missed the playoffs

2024 we dump a shit ton of $$ on Counsell to watch the cubs go 83-79 and miss the playoffs

 

[oso4lyf]

2023 Ross goes 83-79 and just missed the playoffs 2024 we dump a shit ton of $$ on Counsell to watch the cubs go 83-79 and miss the playoffs

Dumping money on a manager instead of actual players is so Cubs.

 

[TL1961]

2023 Ross goes 83-79 and just missed the playoffs

2024 we dump a shit ton of $$ on Counsell to watch the cubs go 83-79 and miss the playoffs

A “shit ton of money” on the manager is equivalent to what utility infielders make.

 

[TL1961]

Dumping money on a manager instead of actual players is so Cubs.

Completely different.

Imagine the Cubs went out and got the cheapest manager they could find who had never won anything. You’d be OK with that?

 

[knoxville7]

A “shit ton of money” on the manager is equivalent to what utility infielders make.

cool....maybe they shoulda spent that 8 million per year on a utility infielder then...that would be more likely to improve the win total than an 8 mil a year manager

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Kinda shocked - something good in Chicago sports...

Lolololol

 

[EberflusBeardBears]

I don't think Counsell did that bad of a job. Any roster that is counting on guys like Madrigal and Gomes and Wisdom and Mastrobouni to perform is asking to be mediocre.

I think Counsell likely gets this team into the playoffs this year if Merriweather avoids the injury and Alzolay is as good as last year. That obviously didn't happen, so it is pointless to talk about. Counsell is a better manager than Ross, that is obvious. His money also doesn't count towards the luxury tax so it's less important in the strategy of roster development.

 

[EberflusBeardBears]

cool....maybe they shoulda spent that 8 million per year on a utility infielder then...that would be more likely to improve the win total than an 8 mil a year manager

It wasn't either/or. The plan was to not go over the luxury tax this year, but our low IQ joke of a GM ended up doing that anyway in a season that was a lost cause since June. Pretty humiliating if you think about it.

 

[knoxville7]

I don't think Counsell did that bad of a job. Any roster that is counting on guys like Madrigal and Gomes and Wisdom and Mastrobouni to perform is asking to be mediocre.

I think Counsell likely gets this team into the playoffs this year if Merriweather avoids the injury and Alzolay is as good as last year. That obviously didn't happen, so it is pointless to talk about. Counsell is a better manager than Ross, that is obvious. His money also doesn't count towards the luxury tax so it's less important in the strategy of roster development.

obvious??? no

 

[EberflusBeardBears]

obvious??? no

Why did no one hire Ross last year? We'll get an official verdict on his market value soon enough if the Red Sox don't fire Cora and hire David Ross. We'll see on that. It's pretty obvious no one wanted him this year though.

 

[oso4lyf]

Completely different.

Imagine the Cubs went out and got the cheapest manager they could find who had never won anything. You’d be OK with that?

If it meant having good players? **** yeah. In a heartbeat

 

[Diehardfan]

Completely different.

Imagine the Cubs went out and got the cheapest manager they could find who had never won anything. You’d be OK with that?

I'd be fine with it. Managers are laughably over valued in baseball. It's the players they are supplied with that tells the tale.

 

[TL1961]

If it meant having good players? **** yeah. In a heartbeat

Manager salaries as a percentage of the total are minuscule

 

[oso4lyf]

Manager salaries as a percentage of the total are minuscule

Doesn't matter what the percentage is when the money could have to a better cause. Ricketts aren't spending big money, so what not use the millions they overspent on a baseball manager that doesn't equal to wins and losses on actual players?

 

[Szlachcic]

Why did no one hire Ross last year?

Ross himself said he will take year off. Remember he was under contract when he was fired so the money was coming in..

 

[TL1961]

If it meant having good players? **** yeah. In a heartbeat

But it doesn’t. The amount of money spent on a manager does not preclude you from spending on players.

When they go pick up a utility infielder who makes $2-3 million a year nobody complains but when the manager makes good $, they get all up in arms as though they intentionally shied away from a star to afford the manager. .

 

[oso4lyf]

But it doesn’t. The amount of money spent on a manager does not preclude you from spending on players.

When they go pick up a utility infielder who makes $2-3 million a year nobody complains but when the manager makes good $, they get all up in arms as though they intentionally shied away from a star to afford the manager. .

Wut? It's happening in front of you.
Top 5 team in revenue and they're not spending on star players but spent double on a manager?!? That's called selling hope when common sense tells you a manger is worthless on the W-L column.

You're on an island in this one, homey.