Cubs offseason needs/ Talk

[Discus fish salesman]

Feels like the swanson decision could come tonight or tomorrow. The last minute reporting of new teams being heavily involved is making its rounds which seems to be a ploy every agent uses to try to get a little extra

 

[Adipost]

Cubs agree to a one year $2.8M deal with Brad Boxberger.

The signing we've all been waiting for

 

[CSF77]

Rodon to NYY. 6/162M. 27M AAV. What was predicted for AAV.

 

[TL1961]

The Yankees and Mets have spent a zillion dollars and I doubt either wins the WS in 23.

Look at the Yankees roster and the ages of the players under high dollar contracts. Judge, Stanton, Rizzo, Donaldson, Cole, Rodon, more…all over 30

 

[JP Hochbaum]

The Yankees and Mets have spent a zillion dollars and I doubt either wins the WS in 23.

Look at the Yankees roster and the ages of the players under high dollar contracts. Judge, Stanton, Rizzo, Donaldson, Cole, Rodon, more…all over 30

Yep, no team in MLB history has won a WS by signing a free agent for over 8 years. Sign and trades left out of this one.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Yep, no team in MLB history has won a WS by signing a free agent for over 8 years. Sign and trades left out of this one.

What kind of arbitrary statement is this? Heyward was an 8 year contract and they won a world series. You are just using random arbitrary cut offs to make a vague statement. Somehow Betts and lindor don't count because they were signed to mega contracts after being traded for?

Even with all the qualifiers in your statement it probably won't be accurate in a couple years.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

What kind of arbitrary statement is this? Heyward was an 8 year contract and they won a world series. You are just using random arbitrary cut offs to make a vague statement. Somehow Betts and lindor don't count because they were signed to mega contracts after being traded for?

Even with all the qualifiers in your statement it probably won't be accurate in a couple years.

It makes a lot of sense actually sign and trades usually come with a discount, and for players who are much younger.
And with these longer contracts a team usually has to win in the first few years of it before it comes a bad contract.
Tampa Bay signs Wander Franco for ten years when he is 21, Marlins the same with Stanton at 24, etc... The model for long term deals is using it on your own guys.

And I would personally make exceptions for guys like Ohtani and players that are consistently in top 3 MVP votes. But I wouldn't do it for top 20 players who can't crack the top 10.

 

[CSF77]

Rather have a ownership willing to do what is needed to win vs bait and switch the fan base.

 

[CSF77]

Cubs are a 65 win team right now. Last year was yet again fluke. The new AAAA in 2021 did not hold up the following year. Frank the Tank took his side show to Korea.

So as of right now they are worse going in than 2022. The talent lost out weighs the incoming talent.

 

[knoxville7]

Cubs are a 65 win team right now. Last year was yet again fluke. The new AAAA in 2021 did not hold up the following year. Frank the Tank took his side show to Korea.

So as of right now they are worse going in than 2022. The talent lost out weighs the incoming talent.

Damnit csf, you were back to making some sense until this post

Schwindel leaves and we gain bellinger and taillon.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Cubs are a 65 win team right now. Last year was yet again fluke. The new AAAA in 2021 did not hold up the following year. Frank the Tank took his side show to Korea.

So as of right now they are worse going in than 2022. The talent lost out weighs the incoming talent.

They won 75 last year and were above .500 the second half. This take from you is strange.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

It makes a lot of sense actually sign and trades usually come with a discount, and for players who are much younger.
And with these longer contracts a team usually has to win in the first few years of it before it comes a bad contract.
Tampa Bay signs Wander Franco for ten years when he is 21, Marlins the same with Stanton at 24, etc... The model for long term deals is using it on your own guys.

And I would personally make exceptions for guys like Ohtani and players that are consistently in top 3 MVP votes. But I wouldn't do it for top 20 players who can't crack the top 10.

There's almost no data to support this at this point. The angels are like the only team to make it through one of those contracts yet but they are an awful organization and don't represent the success dodgers, Yankees, and Mets will see even with those contracts

 

[JP Hochbaum]

There's almost no data to support this at this point. The angels are like the only team to make it through one of those contracts yet but they are an awful organization and don't represent the success dodgers, Yankees, and Mets will see even with those contracts

Umm how is there no data? These contracts exist and teams records exist, lol. Plus there is very little evidence that roster building, via free agency, is ever successful.
The Astros and Dodgers have been dominating year in and year out with exceptional development of players and using free agency to fill in gaps.

 

[SilenceS]

There's almost no data to support this at this point. The angels are like the only team to make it through one of those contracts yet but they are an awful organization and don't represent the success dodgers, Yankees, and Mets will see even with those contracts

Yankees are not in a good spot. They are a home run heavy super aged team. I kept saying last year they arent that good and they got exposed. Maybe they make the playoffs again but I see nothing of them being a true contender.

Mets are relying on two 40 year olds. The Mets are all in but got, at max, a two year window with that pitching.

Dodgers are the Dodgers and they just reload and continually build a farm behind it. They are a gold standard still thats only equated to one ring. Shows how hard it is to win it.

 

[SilenceS]

I was thinking that the Cubs probably shouldnt sign a DH. Barring injury, Davis is coming up this year. The OF is pretty set unless Happ gets traded. The Cubs may have plans for Davis to DH and play OF on days off for guys. I dont know if he will break camp. Unlikely, cause of time manipulation but its basically its time to see what he has at the majors.

Hoyer talked about after Davis back surgery. He didnt come back as strong as he was previously and he expected for a full recovery for off season. So, this is where we sit but he oesnt have much to prove other than majors.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

Jesus, I think all of you guys are forgetting about the Boxburger signing

 

[knoxville7]

Umm how is there no data? These contracts exist and teams records exist, lol. Plus there is very little evidence that roster building, via free agency, is ever successful.
The Astros and Dodgers have been dominating year in and year out with exceptional development of players and using free agency to fill in gaps.

Phillies went to the World Series with a roster loaded with FA’s and just signed some more this offseason. Just going off of the most recent example that comes to mind

stop with this narrative that to win you have to have homegrown talent. It helps but there is more than 1 way to skin a cat or goat

 

[knoxville7]

Jesus, I think all of you guys are forgetting about the Boxburger signing

30 holds last year bruh!

 

[CSF77]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1600581137033633792

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Umm how is there no data? These contracts exist and teams records exist, lol. Plus there is very little evidence that roster building, via free agency, is ever successful.
The Astros and Dodgers have been dominating year in and year out with exceptional development of players and using free agency to fill in gaps.

Arod signed a 10 year extension at 32. Yankees won a world series the next year.

Bryce harper huge contract world series appearance. Now they have a second mega contract we'll see how the next couple years go.

San Diego NLCS with 2 mega contracts. They added a 3rd. Let's see the next couple years.

Dodgers have a mega contract in Betts with a world series. Will likely add ohtani next year. I guess we'll see how that goes.