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Devers has questions on his D at 3B. I'm not sure giving up quality talent to Bos is a good plan.
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Arizona just traded for Toronto's top prospect, a MLB-ready catcher.
We have Tucker Barnhart.
Sigh.
We have Tucker Barnhart.
Sigh.
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Hits in the feels. Still I do like where they are at right now.
You can see that Jed is using this year as a gear up for 2024. Delay a few a bit. Let Wicks and PCA develop and try to create a window for that tandem.
Over all this year they should be on the Fringe. I believe that the east will lock up 3 play off spots. LAD and SD should own the last one.
So 2023 is a good time to upset some teams and get the next wave ready for 2024.
Sure injury or underperforming players might make it interesting but I wouldn't bank on it.
You can see that Jed is using this year as a gear up for 2024. Delay a few a bit. Let Wicks and PCA develop and try to create a window for that tandem.
Over all this year they should be on the Fringe. I believe that the east will lock up 3 play off spots. LAD and SD should own the last one.
So 2023 is a good time to upset some teams and get the next wave ready for 2024.
Sure injury or underperforming players might make it interesting but I wouldn't bank on it.
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You look at Iowa this year.
SP
Hayden
Kilian
Wicks
Brown
Hertz
Any of these guys could become an ace level talent. Pretty crazy.
Position players.
Davis LF
Mervis 1B
PCA should play Tenn then Iowa. I see him as getting into AZL and in training camp with the MLB squad. Pretty standard MO for Jed.
3B is the kicker tbh. It might come internal but I kinda expect it external. But extend Hoerner and Jed can push a few guys over full time and see what shakes out.
SP
Hayden
Kilian
Wicks
Brown
Hertz
Any of these guys could become an ace level talent. Pretty crazy.
Position players.
Davis LF
Mervis 1B
PCA should play Tenn then Iowa. I see him as getting into AZL and in training camp with the MLB squad. Pretty standard MO for Jed.
3B is the kicker tbh. It might come internal but I kinda expect it external. But extend Hoerner and Jed can push a few guys over full time and see what shakes out.
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It’s almost as if there wasn’t another MLB franchise that decided the injury reports were too risky
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They are still going to sign him to avoid looking foolish, only to look more foolish in a couple years
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Mets Have “Raised Concerns” Over Carlos Correa’s Physical, Deal Still “Likely”
By Simon Hampton | December 24, 2022 at 11:02pm CDT
2:51pm: According to Jesse Rogers of ESPN, a deal with the Mets is still “likely”, although he reports that the contract could be reworked considering the issue. While it’s not known what a reworked contract would look like, it could include altering the duration or financial guarantee of the contract, or rewording it to alter the amount of guaranteed money Correa makes should he miss a period of time due to the specific leg ailment which is causing concern. Rogers adds that there is not a timetable in place to resolve the matter.
10:56am: Carlos Correa’s physical with the Mets has “raised concerns”, according to a report from Ken Rosenthal and Dan Hayes of The Athletic. Per the report, the concern centers on Correa’s surgically repaired lower right leg. Correa has agreed to a 12-year, $315MM deal with the Mets just days after a 13-year, $350MM deal with the Giants fell through over concerns over the physical.
While it’s jarring to hear given the events of the past week, it’s unclear yet what this means for the status of the deal. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that the two parties are currently trying to work through the issue.
Mets owner Steve Cohen has already addressed the deal, telling Heyman earlier this week that “we needed one more thing, and this is it”. That’s particularly significant as, per The Athletic’s report, addressing the deal on the record could make it trickier to back out of the agreement, although there’s nothing to suggest that’s what the Mets are looking to do.
It’s been a fascinating turn of events in Correa’s free agency over the past week. Generally, reported agreements pending a physical have become official without a hitch, but Correa’s has now hit a snag on two separate occasions in the space of a week. Further, he’s one of the top free agents this winter and had agreed to deals worth in excess of $300MM. Correa had agreed to a long-term contract with the Giants on December 13, but that fell over on Monday after the Giants reportedly asked for more time to look into the medicals after finding something that gave them pause. However, agent Scott Boras quickly pivoted and went to the Mets, who quickly agreed to their own long-term deal for $35MM less than the original Giants agreement.
Boras sought to re-engage with the Twins as well after the Giants deal fell through. Per The Athletic’s report, they’d offered him a ten-year, $285MM deal but would have put a greater emphasis on a physical before that deal than the deal he signed with Minnesota earlier in 2022, given the long-term nature of the proposal. The report also adds that after Correa became available again, the Twins were unwilling to alter their initial proposal, and would have wanted to investigate the issues raised in the player’s physical with the Giants.
The Giants have been quiet on the matter. HIPAA laws restrict them from disclosing clear answers about the precise nature of the injury, but president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi did offer a statement: “While we are prohibited from disclosing confidential medical information, as Scott Boras stated publicly, there was a difference of opinion over the results of Carlos’ physical examination. We wish Carlos the best.”
The Correa camp has denied any cause for concern. Prior to undertaking his physical with the Mets, Boras said “there is nothing with him that is currently any sort of medical issue,” via Anthony DiComo of MLB.com. He also added that the Giants were trying to use a “crystal ball” to try and predict Correa’s long term health (via Laura Albanese of Newsday).
Various reports have mentioned Correa’s right leg as the source of concern for both the Giants and Mets. Back in 2014, a teenage Correa fractured his right fibula and sustained minor ligament damage while playing in High-A in the Astros organization. That injury required arthroscopic surgery to repair. Correa has missed time for thumb, back and rib issues in the big leagues, but the right leg has never sent him to the injured list in his eight big league seasons.
It is worth remembering that only a few years ago the Mets did pull out of a deal with a player. In 2021, they drafted Kumar Rocker 10th overall and agreed to a $6MM signing bonus, before abandoning the deal after growing concerned by something they saw in the physical. Of course, backing out of a $6MM deal for draft pick and a $315MM contract for an All-Star are two different things, and Cohen’s comments certainly give confidence that a deal can still go through in some form.
It’s the latest twist in what has been a tumultuous time for Correa on the open market. He was the top free agent after departing the Astros last year, but after the long-term deal he sought didn’t eventuate he took a three-year, opt-out laden, $105.1MM deal with the Twins. After earning $35.1MM last season and putting up another strong season he opted out and hit the open market for the second-straight winter. The long-term mega deal he’d been seeking looked to have finally come to fruition when it was reported the Giants had agreed to a 13-year, $350MM pact. That deal fell through, but Correa was able to quickly land a $300MM+ deal with the Mets. While there’s every chance a deal with New York still goes through, there’s at least some doubt now hanging over it.
By Simon Hampton | December 24, 2022 at 11:02pm CDT
2:51pm: According to Jesse Rogers of ESPN, a deal with the Mets is still “likely”, although he reports that the contract could be reworked considering the issue. While it’s not known what a reworked contract would look like, it could include altering the duration or financial guarantee of the contract, or rewording it to alter the amount of guaranteed money Correa makes should he miss a period of time due to the specific leg ailment which is causing concern. Rogers adds that there is not a timetable in place to resolve the matter.
10:56am: Carlos Correa’s physical with the Mets has “raised concerns”, according to a report from Ken Rosenthal and Dan Hayes of The Athletic. Per the report, the concern centers on Correa’s surgically repaired lower right leg. Correa has agreed to a 12-year, $315MM deal with the Mets just days after a 13-year, $350MM deal with the Giants fell through over concerns over the physical.
While it’s jarring to hear given the events of the past week, it’s unclear yet what this means for the status of the deal. Jon Heyman of the New York Post reports that the two parties are currently trying to work through the issue.
Mets owner Steve Cohen has already addressed the deal, telling Heyman earlier this week that “we needed one more thing, and this is it”. That’s particularly significant as, per The Athletic’s report, addressing the deal on the record could make it trickier to back out of the agreement, although there’s nothing to suggest that’s what the Mets are looking to do.
It’s been a fascinating turn of events in Correa’s free agency over the past week. Generally, reported agreements pending a physical have become official without a hitch, but Correa’s has now hit a snag on two separate occasions in the space of a week. Further, he’s one of the top free agents this winter and had agreed to deals worth in excess of $300MM. Correa had agreed to a long-term contract with the Giants on December 13, but that fell over on Monday after the Giants reportedly asked for more time to look into the medicals after finding something that gave them pause. However, agent Scott Boras quickly pivoted and went to the Mets, who quickly agreed to their own long-term deal for $35MM less than the original Giants agreement.
Boras sought to re-engage with the Twins as well after the Giants deal fell through. Per The Athletic’s report, they’d offered him a ten-year, $285MM deal but would have put a greater emphasis on a physical before that deal than the deal he signed with Minnesota earlier in 2022, given the long-term nature of the proposal. The report also adds that after Correa became available again, the Twins were unwilling to alter their initial proposal, and would have wanted to investigate the issues raised in the player’s physical with the Giants.
The Giants have been quiet on the matter. HIPAA laws restrict them from disclosing clear answers about the precise nature of the injury, but president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi did offer a statement: “While we are prohibited from disclosing confidential medical information, as Scott Boras stated publicly, there was a difference of opinion over the results of Carlos’ physical examination. We wish Carlos the best.”
The Correa camp has denied any cause for concern. Prior to undertaking his physical with the Mets, Boras said “there is nothing with him that is currently any sort of medical issue,” via Anthony DiComo of MLB.com. He also added that the Giants were trying to use a “crystal ball” to try and predict Correa’s long term health (via Laura Albanese of Newsday).
Various reports have mentioned Correa’s right leg as the source of concern for both the Giants and Mets. Back in 2014, a teenage Correa fractured his right fibula and sustained minor ligament damage while playing in High-A in the Astros organization. That injury required arthroscopic surgery to repair. Correa has missed time for thumb, back and rib issues in the big leagues, but the right leg has never sent him to the injured list in his eight big league seasons.
It is worth remembering that only a few years ago the Mets did pull out of a deal with a player. In 2021, they drafted Kumar Rocker 10th overall and agreed to a $6MM signing bonus, before abandoning the deal after growing concerned by something they saw in the physical. Of course, backing out of a $6MM deal for draft pick and a $315MM contract for an All-Star are two different things, and Cohen’s comments certainly give confidence that a deal can still go through in some form.
It’s the latest twist in what has been a tumultuous time for Correa on the open market. He was the top free agent after departing the Astros last year, but after the long-term deal he sought didn’t eventuate he took a three-year, opt-out laden, $105.1MM deal with the Twins. After earning $35.1MM last season and putting up another strong season he opted out and hit the open market for the second-straight winter. The long-term mega deal he’d been seeking looked to have finally come to fruition when it was reported the Giants had agreed to a 13-year, $350MM pact. That deal fell through, but Correa was able to quickly land a $300MM+ deal with the Mets. While there’s every chance a deal with New York still goes through, there’s at least some doubt now hanging over it.
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Hmm. So Chris Sale might be available. Red Sox are listening at this point.
I was milling it over and he is supposed to have a clean bill of health coming in. The Red Sox lack established pitching depth and the Cubs have excess.
So for laughs was thinking it over as a what if.
Cubs take on the full contract.
Boston pays off Heyward's remainder.
Gives cash off set.
Cubs send over. Steele, Thompson. Choice of the lefty or righty from last year's draft. And a position players not PCA. Davis on table but could lower the pitching prospect down to Kilian.
I was milling it over and he is supposed to have a clean bill of health coming in. The Red Sox lack established pitching depth and the Cubs have excess.
So for laughs was thinking it over as a what if.
Cubs take on the full contract.
Boston pays off Heyward's remainder.
Gives cash off set.
Cubs send over. Steele, Thompson. Choice of the lefty or righty from last year's draft. And a position players not PCA. Davis on table but could lower the pitching prospect down to Kilian.
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Hes pitched less than 50 innings over 2 years and less than 200 over the past 4 years. Hard pass unless it's a bad contract swap which we don't really have
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No thanks on giving up multiple prospects for him at this point.
I don’t hate the idea of trading for him, but not up for giving up young controllable contributing assets for him
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He has 2x27M and a vesting for 20M left.
Tough call TBH. Heyward's remainder
23M So Cubs would be adding on 4M this year. Boston saving that amount and getting out of the final years. So that counts as a bad contract.
I did say this part. So there is a large savings going on.
Boston has one legit starter going in. So they will want pitching. Why I said Steele. Established and would be pushed out anyways. Thompson who is already bumped but in Boston a rotation fixture for next year. So Boston getting 2 established pitchers with starting success is a big deal for them.
Now on 3/4. Davis might be a bit too much. Kilian no. He has pitched at the highest level and might be a readjustment to hitting his potential. But it is a risk move vs a stable one.
Sale has been injured but when in he is in the top 5% of all SP. He hovers low 3.00 ERA on off years. So the talent is there still.
So ya I would do it but I would not pay PCA, Wicks, Hertz or Hayden to make it happen. Davis I would want something in return.
Say Boston can't extend Devers and decides to go mega. Devers and Sale. Cubs counter with Heyward's deal. Steele, Thompson, Kilian, Davis and Hernandez. It would be tempting.
At that point the Cubs might be the fav to win the Central.
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So Boston would give up sale(the pitching they supposedly need according to you) to acquire two young cost controlled starters from the cubs plus other prospects. And if Boston is doing the deal because they need starting pitching, then why on earth should they cubs do the trade to get better starting pitching?
Your own argument pokes holes in itself
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They are not competing. They lost their SS. Going to lost their 3B. It would be 2 rotation fillers and take 2 high end position players and what ever else they can get.
Regardless theory stuff. I don't see any substance as Jed does major moves near the deadline.
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If free agents are getting 10 years you have lots of time to decide how many of those is right to carry at once.
Don’t rush in and DONT make big mistakes. Build through the draft and global stuff, and make more decisions to keep your own known commodities.
Likely you only lock in a decade term every 2-3 years, you can still end up holding a deck of 5 perpetually.
Don’t rush in and DONT make big mistakes. Build through the draft and global stuff, and make more decisions to keep your own known commodities.
Likely you only lock in a decade term every 2-3 years, you can still end up holding a deck of 5 perpetually.
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Chicago Cubs Rumors: Local Insider offers update on next moves
Yesterday, Bruce Levine hopped in the score to discuss several topics as the Cubs continue to push on this offseason. Most notably, the Cubs are looking to cont
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Most prospects don't make it. Then guys like Thompson and Steele do when they were never on a top 100 list.
Most 'prospects' are hype. Some make it. But for every Acuna there are a dozen Profar's
That is why trading for proven is done.
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Thanks so much for the news flash....Chicago Cubs Rumors: Local Insider offers update on next moves
Yesterday, Bruce Levine hopped in the score to discuss several topics as the Cubs continue to push on this offseason. Most notably, the Cubs are looking to cont
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I'm glad to know cubs are in on conforto
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That's the scary truth of it. PCA, for all he showed last year, was all also only at single A level. Devers is a known quantity. The risk in trading for him is that he's set to be a FA after the season. So it depends on if the team can have enough success in the one season and hope to keep him for the prolonged future versus letting him hit the market and trying to get him just for money. I guess the big question becomes "Does trading for Devers make the Cubs legit division contenders." If your answer to that is yes, then I think it's worth trading for him and getting a head start on signing him versus waiting until 2023 FA. The idea of adding Sale to the mix is if he'd be considered a David Price like add in to reduce the prospect cost or just get the money off of Boston's books and the Cubs hope for the best.
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