Cubs offseason rumors/transactions

[TL1961]

I like “the fight against FA Darvish”.

Also....I wouldn’t say he’s on the cheap just yet, as Chatwood is the only starter to sign thus far. I certainly don’t want them to spend too much or go too many years, but he is a good pitcher, and adding him would be a plus.

 

[beckdawg]

I like “the fight against FA Darvish”.

Also....I wouldn’t say he’s on the cheap just yet, as Chatwood is the only starter to sign thus far. I certainly don’t want them to spend too much or go too many years, but he is a good pitcher, and adding him would be a plus.

I don't know. Like the way I look at it is if teams are trading for pitching and largely avoiding the top end guys that seems to suggest to me that they are priced too high and the problem with that is the winter meetings are over and a lot of the typical big money pitching suitors aren't really that in need.

 

[CSF77]

Darvish is the starter I've been hoping the cubs sign. Obviously cost is a factor but given the way the market has moved so slowly I can't imagine he gets tip top price. The dodgers don't seem to be spending on anything. SF just traded away a pitcher to clear salary because they are at the luxury tax. The yanks appear more keen on a trade. Texas acquired Moore and minor already. There's not a whole lot of obvious spots for Darvish/Arrieta right now.

http://www.spotrac.com/mlb/rankings/

He has to be up with Lester.

 

[anotheridiot]

So same dollars, same contract, who do you prefer, Arrieta or Darvish?

 

[beckdawg]

So same dollars, same contract, who do you prefer, Arrieta or Darvish?

Darvish. He's been more consistently great.

 

[beckdawg]

The yankees resigned Sabathia which seems like good news for the cubs. Presumably their starting rotation is Sabathia, Gray, Severino, tanaka and Jordan Montgomery who while not a big name was quite good for them last year. It also presumably means one less FA/Trade target for starters.

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

https://twitter.com/espnchicubs/status/942021162682302464

 

[SilenceS]

I would splurge myself if we got machado for Russell and two arms


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[CSF77]

I would splurge myself if we got machado for Russell and two arms


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This is why the farm system is depleted. Deals like this.

 

[SilenceS]

This is why the farm system is depleted. Deals like this.

Deal for a top 10 player in the league on the upswing of his career? The cubs aren’t in building mode. They are in win now mode. Machado stops no progress and adds an insane murders row with Bryant and rizzo. Our lineup becomes insane. He doesn’t sign here. Baez moves to short and you still have happ and Zobrist. The cubs also still stay in line with a ton of money to throw at Harper or a number 1 type pitcher. There is very little ways the cubs lose that deal.


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[CSF77]

So you trade a top 5 D guy with 4 years of control and pitching for a 1 year rent.

Ya right.

Let’s start with the basics: Theo said we are out of the long for short business. Also he has been saying long term success not short term success.

Now these are quotes. I know that you don’t like to read them

Now on the moves they made:

Chapman: This deal was made to make what they are doing legit. WS demanded it.

Soler for Davis: payroll dump. He was injured and over paid for it. That was a pure dump. Fact they got Davis was a bonus.

Q: came with control. Can’t argue that is one and that is why they paid heavy.

The thing is Russell is a top 5 SS. He had a off year at the plate in a year he dealt with personal issues and injury. But he just came off a 100 RBI season the year privious.

Now Manny is a top end player but it is 1 year of control we are talking about. I don’t see many teams lining up for this unless it was 2nd tier talent that was sketchy vs a top 5 SS with 4 control years plus more.

It is about stupid logic

 

[CSF77]

Darvish. He's been more consistently great.

Jake is a better play off pitcher but over all it is hard to argue over Yu.

Age honestly you can argue Jake has no surgery’s and less miles on his arm because he started later. Yu you have to add his years in Japan on his innings.

People can argue this either way and they would have a point. But by the numbers Yu is a better starter. Jake is a tier below over all but he steps up in pressure situations better than Yu has shown.

But if we are looking at a term deal the chunk of the investment plays in the regular season not the play offs so that carries more weight.

 

[jooo83]

So same dollars, same contract, who do you prefer, Arrieta or Darvish?

Arietta. No question about it. Darvish has not shown he can pitch in the playoffs.

 

[DanTown]

Arietta. No question about it. Darvish has not shown he can pitch in the playoffs.

You mean before the WS when he went four starts with three of them being two earned runs or less and seven K's wasn't proving he could pitch in the playoffs but in a series where he clearly was tipping pitches we should say "he can't pitch in the playoffs' because of some magic power that makes playoff baseball different than regular baseball?

 

[CSF77]

Arietta. No question about it. Darvish has not shown he can pitch in the playoffs.

Pitchers pitch 32 games per year and maybe 5 if they go all the way to the series.

When you look at it from financials reg season > Play offs.

Now play offs are a factor for sure but it doesn’t flip a 1A and a 2. Outside of his record run he has been a league 2. Sure in the play offs he takes it up to a legit staff ace but this is not a rental situation. It is a 5+ year situation and you have to look at the term of the deal looking forward and miles on their arms and production in season. Then projected declines.

End of the day Boras is going to push 30 mil per and that is David Price type cash. There are only 3 SP making 30 mil plus and they have a better history going into their deals vs a guy at 32 who had a great run but outside of it looked like the 2 vs the ace.

His value is Comp to Q’s and Q is not a 30 mil arm. 22-25 per I can see that. Boras is shooting for a deal that any team will regret after the ink is dry. Ask Det about how they feel about Zimmerman.

 

[chibears55]

Dodgers just dumped a bunch of players on the braves for Kemp whom theyll either trade or release....


https://twitter.com/670TheScore/status/942147691919958016

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[chibears55]

I would like that trade of Russell for Machado

Way i look at it is...

Baez can take over 2B 2018 and Machado SS

Happ can be super utility role
Zobrist can get spot starts in LF RF 2B


Cubs then will have all year to talk to his agent for extension or at least get a feel of what he wants, plus Machado will have a year of getting to know players, management , organization , playing in WF with the fans, and hopefully winning..

He does extend, that could give Harper a little more incentive to sign ..
Imagine being in lineup with Machado Bryant Rizzo
Maybe he wont look for a crazy deal with them..

He doesn't extend and looks to test market, cubs at least have advantage of him knowing organization and knowing what he looking for..
Keep that line of communication open...
Choose between him and Harper..

Maybe talk to both together and seeing if all sides can come to an agreement for both to sign...


They dont sign Machado..

2019 Baez SS Happ 2B and they gotta go hard for Harper

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[CSF77]

They are trying to reset the lux tax penalty. It scales every year above.

uxury Tax penalties: Tax rates will be 20% for first-time offenders of breaking the Luxury Tax threshold, 30% for second-time, and 50% for third- or more. Changes will fully take effect in 2018, and will be phased in for 2017. According to Rosenthal 2017 will see average of rates from 2016 and the new rates in the 2017-21 CBA.

 

[Omeletpants]

I would like that trade of Russell for Machado

Way i look at it is...

Baez can take over 2B 2018 and Machado SS

Happ can be super utility role
Zobrist can get spot starts in LF RF 2B


Cubs then will have all year to talk to his agent for extension or at least get a feel of what he wants, plus Machado will have a year of getting to know players, management , organization , playing in WF with the fans, and hopefully winning..

He does extend, that could give Harper a little more incentive to sign ..
Imagine being in lineup with Machado Bryant Rizzo
Maybe he wont look for a crazy deal with them..

He doesn't extend and looks to test market, cubs at least have advantage of him knowing organization and knowing what he looking for..
Keep that line of communication open...
Choose between him and Harper..

Maybe talk to both together and seeing if all sides can come to an agreement for both to sign...


They dont sign Machado..

2019 Baez SS Happ 2B and they gotta go hard for Harper

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Harper and Machado? LOLOLOLOLOLO. Yeah, the Cubs gonna spend that amount

 

[chibears55]

Harper and Machado? LOLOLOLOLOLO. Yeah, the Cubs gonna spend that amount

You know what that amount is or are you just gonna assume and guess???



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