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Bruno is an interesting guy. He needs to stay healthy and play a full year for me to buy into the bat completely, but he looks like he will be a big leaguer.

Hmm I didn't realize he'd been hurt last year. I read the year wrong as apparently his year in A- was his draft year of 2012. Apparently he only had 78 PAs all of last year. That being said, he's put up those numbers over about 500 PAs in the minors. So, it's obviously not a case of sample size but I can see where you're coming from about wanting to see it over a full year. It's kind of interesting to see him more as a second wave of players after the head liner guys we always hear/talk about.

I also find the Oliver 5 year projections on him interesting. If you compare him and Alcantara on that they have Alcantara at 0.8-1.6 WAR player in the .244/.305/.399 area in his best year. They have Bruno at 2.3-2.5 with .279/.336/.417 as his best year. Projections are obviously guesses and all that but I found that kind of interesting. 2.5 WAR would make him a better than average player and nearing All-Star borderline(Castro made his all-star games as a 3 WAR guy).
 

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So last year Baez did this in AA

.294/.346/.638 .435 wOBA 180 wRC+ .344 ISO and 7.9%/28.8% with 20 HRs in 240 PAs

compared to this for Bryant

.350/.453/.685 .502 wOBA 219 wRC+ .335 ISO and 13.7%/26.5% with 17 HRs in 234 PAs

Those numbers obviously aren't including his HR today for Bryant. What's honestly ridiculous is that Baez year was good enough that people like Jason Parks were calling him a unicorn because he was mythical. And then Bryant goes out and pretty much trounces his numbers. We're talking about 9 points in ISO and a couple of HRs though when you add in his numbers today and possibly tomorrow to get to an even amount of PAs I'm not even sure Baez will beat him there.

After this season, he's almost assured to be a top 5 prospect coming into next year especially when you consider Bogaerts, Taveras and Tanaka(BA is weird like that) all graduated he very well may end up #1. Buxton hasn't been particularly impressive in what little he has played and he's had a wrist injury. Miguel Sano has hit .236/.344/.571 in AA. Archie Bradley has a 5.18 ERA and an elbow injury that's likely to keep him out til july. Taijuan Walker hasn't pitched until tomorrow. Baez obviously got off to a slow start but has come on some since. Carlos Correa has been good in A+ hitting .318/.379/.482. Francisco Lindor has been decent in AA hitting .279/.371/.396. Noah Syndergaard has a 4.02 ERA in AAA.

At this point, it's hard to argue against him as #1. Granted it's still early but the cubs could easily have 2 of the top 5 prospects in Baez and Bryant.
 

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So last year Baez did this in AA

.294/.346/.638 .435 wOBA 180 wRC+ .344 ISO and 7.9%/28.8% with 20 HRs in 240 PAs

compared to this for Bryant

.350/.453/.685 .502 wOBA 219 wRC+ .335 ISO and 13.7%/26.5% with 17 HRs in 234 PAs

Those numbers obviously aren't including his HR today for Bryant. What's honestly ridiculous is that Baez year was good enough that people like Jason Parks were calling him a unicorn because he was mythical. And then Bryant goes out and pretty much trounces his numbers. We're talking about 9 points in ISO and a couple of HRs though when you add in his numbers today and possibly tomorrow to get to an even amount of PAs I'm not even sure Baez will beat him there.

After this season, he's almost assured to be a top 5 prospect coming into next year especially when you consider Bogaerts, Taveras and Tanaka(BA is weird like that) all graduated he very well may end up #1. Buxton hasn't been particularly impressive in what little he has played and he's had a wrist injury. Miguel Sano has hit .236/.344/.571 in AA. Archie Bradley has a 5.18 ERA and an elbow injury that's likely to keep him out til july. Taijuan Walker hasn't pitched until tomorrow. Baez obviously got off to a slow start but has come on some since. Carlos Correa has been good in A+ hitting .318/.379/.482. Francisco Lindor has been decent in AA hitting .279/.371/.396. Noah Syndergaard has a 4.02 ERA in AAA.

At this point, it's hard to argue against him as #1. Granted it's still early but the cubs could easily have 2 of the top 5 prospects in Baez and Bryant.

I hope he isn't the #1 prospect.

I hope he sees MLB this year.
 

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Getting to the show doesn't really matter. Performing in the show does. Cubs have had a shit load of hyped guys get to the show in the past 10 years. Not a ton of them have performed. Performing will eventually lead to promotion. However, promotion doesn't really mean players will perform.
 

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I dont see Bryant as a 1. He doesnt play a prime position. No doubt about his bat, but thats all he will really be known for. The top prospect is always a more all around game. Bryant is currently ranked 8th and Baez is 9th in Keith Laws updated top 25.
 

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I dont see Bryant as a 1. He doesnt play a prime position. No doubt about his bat, but thats all he will really be known for. The top prospect is always a more all around game. Bryant is currently ranked 8th and Baez is 9th in Keith Laws updated top 25.

18 HR's and 49 RBI's on June 1st. That is impressive.

On the premium position. Considering the lack of power at 3B in the majors I would guess 3B is pretty premium power right now.
 

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Had to rank it now:

buxton Not by production by potential. Only 20 AB
Traveras on STL not counting him.
Sano DL lost for season. Not counting him.
Bradley DL 1-4 5.18 ERA not impressive
Walker 1-1 3.65 Not much action so far but again potential. On rehab
Baez Not consistent this year.
Correa probley the 1st player earning a top ranking. .320/.386/.487
Bryant .348/.452/.692

Out of all of them no one has matched Bryant's production.

Only Joey Gallo has put up simmiler production.

.322/.461/.757 21 HR 48 RBI in A+ for Texas. Reason why they gave up on Olt. Gallo is a monster with time to develop still.
 

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18 HR's and 49 RBI's on June 1st. That is impressive.

On the premium position. Considering the lack of power at 3B in the majors I would guess 3B is pretty premium power right now.

I wouldnt call it a premium defensive position and like I said the very top are usually all around game guys and not just a guy with a bat. Bryant is all bal. Average speed with average D. Im not arguing about this because he is a top prospects in baseball just my opinion on guys who are considered the top of the top.
 

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Updated top 25 MLB prospects
Keith Law updates his top prospects, with Byron Buxton still leading
Updated: May 31, 2014, 10:49 AM ET
By Keith Law | ESPN Insider


1. Byron Buxton | CF | Minnesota Twins (age 20)
Current level: High Class A (Ft. Myers)
Preseason rank: 1

It looked like such a promising year for Buxton, but he sprained his wrist in the final week of spring training, returned in early May, then reaggravated the injury in his fifth game of the year, going back on the DL on May 8.

He still has the minors' best combination of present skills and ultimate ceiling, a potential plus-plus defender in center who hits for average and has some power, along with huge value on the bases.



2. Carlos Correa | SS | Houston Astros (age 19)
Current level: High Class A (Lancaster)
Preseason ranking: 4

Correa's always been a top offensive prospect, but he's continued to make believers out of scouts who see him at shortstop, and if he doesn't outgrow the position physically there's no reason he can't remain there at least into his mid-to-late 20s.

His performance so far has been excellent given his age, although I'd caution anyone looking at the raw stat lines (.305/.370/.458 through Tuesday) to bear in mind that Lancaster is a great place to hit, as are several other southern California League ballparks.



3. Gregory Polanco | CF | Pittsburgh Pirates (age 22)
Current level: Triple-A (Indianapolis)
Preseason ranking: 13

He's still working on some things, you know.



4. Oscar Taveras | RF | St. Louis Cardinals (age 21)
Current level: Triple-A (Memphis)
Preseason ranking: 5

Taveras' non-call-up (prior to Friday) was a little easier to understand given how much time he missed last year after suffering an ankle injury, as well as continued reports in spring training that he was running tentatively out of concern for the injury.

He's fine now, by all accounts, and he was called up on Friday.



5. Addison Russell | SS | Oakland Athletics (age 20)
Current level: Double-A (Midland)
Preseason ranking: 3

Russell, like Buxton, has barely played this year, in his case due to a torn hamstring, and should be back fairly soon. He was impressive in spring training and has some of the best hands, both in the field and at the plate, I've ever scouted.



6. Francisco Lindor | SS | Cleveland Indians (age 20)
Current level: Double-A (Akron)
Preseason ranking: 6

Lindor, one of three Puerto Rican-born players in the top 10 (along with Correa and Baez), is among the youngest regulars in the Eastern League, once again boasting strong walk and contact rates and destroying left-handed pitching while playing good defense at short.



7. Jonathan Gray | RHP | Colorado Rockies (age 22)
Current level: Double-A (Tulsa)
Preseason ranking: 12

I don't want to call anyone the minors' best pitching prospect because that seems to be the kiss of death this year, so let's just call Gray the minors' most good pitching prospect and hope that appeases Baal or Osiris or whoever else is blowing up elbows all over the minors.

I can't imagine he spends the rest of the year in Double-A; he should at least surface in Colorado's bullpen later this summer.



8. Kris Bryant | 3B | Chicago Cubs (age 22)
Current level: Double-A (Tennessee)
Preseason ranking: 15

Aside from a high strikeout rate (more than 25 percent of his plate appearances), Bryant's season so far is unimpeachable, as he's walking, hitting for average, hitting for huge power and improving the second time around the league. We'll have to see what happens to that contact rate when he gets to Triple-A, though.



9. Javier Baez | SS | Chicago Cubs (age 21)
Current level: Triple-A (Iowa)
Preseason ranking: 7

Speaking of Cubs who don't make enough contact in Triple-A, here's Baez, owner of the fastest bat in the minors, striking out in a third of his plate appearances so far this year for Iowa.

When he does square the ball up, he hits it hard, but he's got work to do to make more contact, especially cutting down on his aggressiveness with two strikes, before he's ready to come up and take over any position in Chicago.



10. Hunter Harvey | RHP | Baltimore Orioles (age 19)
Current level: Low Class A (Delmarva)
Preseason ranking: 38

Harvey's warming up with the weather, with one of the best curveballs in the minors and above-average velocity already from an easy delivery; he's still working on refining his changeup, but has been able to get left-handed hitters out in low A using his fastball and curve because he commands them so well.

He's probably still a good two years away from the majors but the upside is enormous.



11. Corey Seager | SS/3B | LA Dodgers (age 20)
Current level: High Class A (Rancho Cucamonga)
Preseason ranking: 18

Seager scuffled a little after his call-up to Rancho last summer, but he's keeping his front side closed better and is making more contact this time around, leading the Cal League in average and doubles while ranking second in slugging percentage.



12. Archie Bradley | RHP | Arizona Diamondbacks (age 21)
Current level: Triple-A (Reno)
Preseason ranking: 9

Bradley probably would be in the majors by now had he not been slowed by an elbow injury that has cost him a month already and may not see him back in a game until mid-June.

He remains among the game's best pitching prospects despite his high ERA in the hitter-friendly Pacific Coast League, making four of his five starts so far in terrible pitchers' parks.



13. Miguel Sano | 3B | Minnesota Twins (age 21)
Current level: Out for season
Preseason ranking: 8

Sano will likely miss the entire year after Tommy John surgery -- he should be able to play winter ball and I'm hopeful the Twins send him to the Arizona Fall League first -- which costs him a lot of much-needed at-bats and reps in the field.

He remains one of the minors' best offensive prospects, as a hitter for both average and power, but the odds of him staying at third took a hit with this injury.



14. Lucas Giolito | RHP | Washington Nationals (age 19)
Current level: Low Class A (Hagerstown)
Preseason ranking: 21

Giolito is skipping a few turns in the Hagerstown rotation after he reported a little soreness and the Nats (wisely) chose to give him a rest rather than push their best prospect, who had Tommy John surgery himself back in July of 2012. He has a true three-pitch mix, all three pitches above-average to plus on the right day, with a good delivery and the size and athleticism you want from a No. 1 starter.



15. Julio Urias | LHP | Los Angeles Dodgers (age 17)
Current level: High Class A (Rancho Cucamonga)
Preseason ranking: 14

Urias missed a start in April with a sore shoulder, struggled in his first outing back, but has been very good since then, punching out 25 in 24 innings while allowing five walks, 18 hits and -- most impressive given his home park in Rancho -- no homers.

He won't turn 18 until August and will likely top out around 100 innings this year as the Dodgers try to keep him healthy for the long term, as he has top-of-the-rotation upside.



16. Mark Appel | RHP | Houston Astros (age 22)
Current level: High Class A (Lancaster)
Preseason ranking: 11

Appel's inability to adjust to Houston's four-day tandem rotation scheme isn't at all his fault, nor is it any kind of demerit toward his prospect status; the tandem system has its merits, but I wouldn't want to experiment like that with the first overall pick in the draft and my top pitching prospect.

He's been out of action for five weeks already, and while he's reportedly throwing very hard again in extended spring, I'd like to see him do it on a mound again -- preferably in Double-A, outside the tandem system entirely.



17. Eddie Butler | RHP | Colorado Rockies (age 23)
Current level: Double-A (Tulsa)
Preseason ranking: 17

Butler's season so far hasn't quite lived up to the scouting reports -- he's not missing that many bats, although he continues to generate ground balls (50 percent on the dot, according to mlbfarm.com) and throw strikes.

A guy with Butler's stuff should strike more hitters out, and he'll probably need to when he pitches in Denver at some point this year, but as long as he's still touching the mid-90s with two plus secondary pitches there's a chance he can find that extra gear.



18. Raul Mondesi | SS | Kansas City Royals (age 18)
Current level: High Class A (Wilmington)
Preseason ranking: 22

Mondesi has struggled so far in high A, especially over the past month, although a lot of that is his difficulty hitting right-handed, a switch-hitting experiment the Royals may eventually want to end so he can focus on hitting left-handed and utilizing his plus-plus speed to get on base more often.

He won't turn 19 until the week of the MLB trade deadline and remains one of the youngest regulars in any full-season league, so I'm not concerned about his performance as long as his raw tools remain intact.



19. JP Crawford | SS | Philadelphia Phillies (age 19)
Current level: Low Class A (Lakewood)
Preseason ranking: 46

After Bryant, Crawford is having the best 2014 of any player drafted in last year's first round, showing an outstanding approach at the plate and surprising doubles power along with very promising work at shortstop.

I loved him at the time of the draft but thought he'd be a slow-developing prospect; based on his work in pro ball so far, with a composite .324/.418/.440 line in his first 411 plate appearances since he signed, I might have been a little light on him.



20. Henry Owens | LHP | Boston Red Sox (age 21)
Current level: Double-A (Portland)
Preseason ranking: 42

Owens' control has wobbled a bit early -- he had a three-start stretch in May where he walked 14 men across 15 2/3 innings -- but the stuff is still there, with a changeup scouts have told me might be as good as any in the majors right now and a fastball that plays up because hitters don't see the ball out of his hand. He does need to tighten up his breaking ball, and obviously throwing more strikes is rather important.

Statistical curiosity: Owens has always had a reverse platoon split, but managers still try to counter him with right-handed lineups, as 83 percent of the batters he's faced this year have been right-handed. Good job, good effort, guys.



21. Joc Pederson | OF | Los Angeles Dodgers (age 22)
Current level: Triple-A (Albuquerque)
Preseason ranking: 41

Pederson is getting a bit overrated through no fault of his own -- I think it's hard for people to see his raw stats and understand how to mentally adjust them to reflect the insanity of playing half your games in Albuquerque.

He's hitting .298/.387/.577 on the road, still playing a lot of games in hitters' parks, but that's at least a more accurate reflection of his skill set than his .410/.529/.735 line at home. Pederson is improving his approach every year, has power and speed, and is probably a better defender in center right now than anyone on L.A.'s active roster. Just don't ask him to come up and save the Dodgers' season all by himself.



22. Mookie Betts | 2B/CF | Boston Red Sox (age 21)
Current level: Double-A (Portland)
Preseason ranking: 61

Betts has cooled down after putting up hallucination-inducing stats in April, hitting "just" .299/.425/.454 in May, while stealing 12 bases in 12 attempts. Everyone knew he was a great athlete, and those are generally the players you might bet on to take a sudden step forward like this, but this is way beyond any reasonable expectations.

He's second in the league in walks behind a 29-year-old who's in his 10th year in pro ball, and seventh in slugging behind six players all at least 18 months older than he is. The really interesting part is that Betts, a natural middle infielder, has made seven of his past 10 non-DH starts in center field, a position he's fast and athletic enough to handle -- and where the Red Sox may have a need.



23. Braden Shipley | RHP | Arizona (age 22)
Current level: Low Class A (South Bend)
Preseason ranking: 25

Shipley got a slightly late start after a brief elbow scare of his own, but he's been solid so far in low A, showing three above-average pitches at times with excellent control, walking two or fewer batters in every start but one so far. He's too advanced for low A, but the D-backs may be trying to keep him out of the hitter-friendly Cal League, or to minimize any eventual stay there.



24. Noah Syndergaard | RHP | New York Mets (age 22)
Current level: Triple-A (Las Vegas)
Preseason ranking: 24

We might have needed a #sadthor meme if Syndergaard's current elbow injury, which has him on the DL this week, turned out to be more serious, but an MRI showed no structural damage and he should be back dropping hammers on PCL hitters shortly. Don't let his 4.02 ERA there worry you -- his peripherals are strong and Vegas is also a lousy place to pitch.

He's throwing strikes, his curveball is still gradually improving, and he's keeping the ball down. This might delay his arrival in Queens by a bit but the long-term outlook is very positive.



25. Joey Gallo | 3B | Texas Rangers (age 20)
Current level: High Class A (Myrtle Beach)
Preseason ranking: Unranked

Gallo moved up from low A to high A this year, leaving a few teammates behind to repeat the Sally League, and after drawing 48 walks and punching out 165 times for Hickory in 2013, Gallo has drawn 41 walks already and struck out 54 times for Myrtle Beach, with 18 homers to lead all of organized baseball -- even though Myrtle's not a great place to hit.

He's covering the plate better than he did last year, swinging and missing less at stuff in the zone, and laying off more pitches out of the zone, so while he's always going to be a high-strikeout guy, he doesn't look like he's going to be making annual attempts to topple Mark Reynolds' record once he reaches the majors.

Even if he strikes out 180-200 times a year, he's a very good bet to hit 40 homers and draw 80-100 walks, numbers that will play just fine even if he ends up at first base.

Honorable mentions: Kyle Zimmer, RHP, Kansas City Royals; Brandon Nimmo, OF, New York Mets; Albert Almora, OF, Chicago Cubs; Robert Stephenson, RHP, Cincinnati Reds; Jorge Soler, OF, Chicago Cubs; Andrew Heaney, LHP, Miami Marlins; Alex Meyer, RHP, Minnesota Twins
 

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21. Joc Pederson | OF | Los Angeles Dodgers (age 22)
Current level: Triple-A (Albuquerque)
Preseason ranking: 41

Pederson is getting a bit overrated through no fault of his own -- I think it's hard for people to see his raw stats and understand how to mentally adjust them to reflect the insanity of playing half your games in Albuquerque.

He's hitting .298/.387/.577 on the road, still playing a lot of games in hitters' parks, but that's at least a more accurate reflection of his skill set than his .410/.529/.735 line at home. Pederson is improving his approach every year, has power and speed, and is probably a better defender in center right now than anyone on L.A.'s active roster. Just don't ask him to come up and save the Dodgers' season all by himself.

Going to be a HR King IMO:

25. Joey Gallo | 3B | Texas Rangers (age 20)
Current level: High Class A (Myrtle Beach)
Preseason ranking: Unranked

Gallo moved up from low A to high A this year, leaving a few teammates behind to repeat the Sally League, and after drawing 48 walks and punching out 165 times for Hickory in 2013, Gallo has drawn 41 walks already and struck out 54 times for Myrtle Beach, with 18 homers to lead all of organized baseball -- even though Myrtle's not a great place to hit.

He's covering the plate better than he did last year, swinging and missing less at stuff in the zone, and laying off more pitches out of the zone, so while he's always going to be a high-strikeout guy, he doesn't look like he's going to be making annual attempts to topple Mark Reynolds' record once he reaches the majors.

Even if he strikes out 180-200 times a year, he's a very good bet to hit 40 homers and draw 80-100 walks, numbers that will play just fine even if he ends up at first base.





Little surprising but he has some top end raw stuff. If they traded Shark for him I would not be sad.

7. Jonathan Gray | RHP | Colorado Rockies (age 22)
Current level: Double-A (Tulsa)
Preseason ranking: 12

I don't want to call anyone the minors' best pitching prospect because that seems to be the kiss of death this year, so let's just call Gray the minors' most good pitching prospect and hope that appeases Baal or Osiris or whoever else is blowing up elbows all over the minors.

I can't imagine he spends the rest of the year in Double-A; he should at least surface in Colorado's bullpen later this summer.





No: I can't rate a player sitting on the DL better than a player making a run at a tripple crown in the minors. I feel this way about Bux also:

5. Addison Russell | SS | Oakland Athletics (age 20)
Current level: Double-A (Midland)
Preseason ranking: 3

Russell, like Buxton, has barely played this year, in his case due to a torn hamstring, and should be back fairly soon. He was impressive in spring training and has some of the best hands, both in the field and at the plate, I've ever scouted.


Lindor don't agree with...He is top 20 but he gets too much love for a D based player.

Oscar Taveras yes but he is in the majors now. Should not be on any minor league list while playing on a major league squad.




So in brief:

Bryant should be top 5. Baez IMO has fallen out of the top 10 with his 33% SO rate. I wouldn't rank season long DL cases and Major League players. That just is dumb. The rankings should be on current players and their performances.

I'm glad he made Gallo a top 25 vs a 70's player. He has improved his game this year and looks to be a superstar in the works.
 

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Just for reference the last time a 3B was in the top 2 was Longoria in 2008 whom Bryant has been compared to. Jay Bruce was ahead of him which is some what odd considering Bruce was always a corner OF guy AFAIK. In 2007, Alex Gordon was a 3B at 2 behind dice k. These are BA's top 100 btw. 2003 Teixeira was #1 as a 3B. So it's not unheard of having him that high and obviously his play warrants the placing.

Obviously someone like Correra has been good but is he really ticking the other boxes besides defense at a premium position? 5 HRs and 12 SB is obviously good out of SS position but its not A-Rod good either. Similarly, Lindor has 4 HRs and 11 steals. You could make the argument for Buxton still but I feel like you have to discount him being injured. There's no elite C prospect and after Buxton there's only Gregory Polanco at CF. Polanco also could see enough MLB time to knock him out of prospect rankings since he's in AAA. And even if he doesn't, he's got 6 HRs and 12 steals. Again, that's good production out of CF but the season Bryant is having is pretty unheard of. I went back and looked through fangraphs staffs of AA/AAA players with over 200 wRC+ and there were only like 4 IIRC. One was Stanton in 2010. Their stats only go back to 2006 but it illustrate the point.

Additionally, the year Teixeria was #1 he beat out Joe Mauer and Jose Reyes. So, like I said, it does happen. I'm not saying it is a guarantee that Bryant will be #1 but it seems hard for me to rank someone who was behind him ahead of him now after this season which takes care of Palanco and Lindor. Correra was one spot ahead and Buxton was obviously #1. Perhaps you could go with those two ahead of him fairly.

Overall, I just feel with the decline in offense the past 2-3 years that when you see someone dominating you have to take a step back. In some ways, it's similar to the Trout/Cabrera MVP debate. However, in that debate Trout was pretty competitive offensively and had the defense at CF. Bryant's is on pace for around 45 HRs if you project that over 600 PAs. Most of the competition is on pace for 20. And it's not just power Bryant's getting on base at a .453 clip. The year prior to Teixeria's #1 ranking he had a OPS of 1.005 compared to Byrant's 1.100+ with a better fielding% at 3B.

So with the other guys having good but not special seasons it's hard for me to say i'd put them head of him. But then opinions are like assholes.
 

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I would rank him top 5. But I would not say it is a reach saying he is the best prospect in the minors right now. Every team would want him.
 

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You got to realize when they rank prospects it isnt about their lines. Its about their overall ceiling and progression. You also have to realize Bryant is 22 and played against college pitchers. A lot of these guys are younger. It makes a difference. Also, the only comparison I make to Bryant and Longoria is the way they got to the majors. Longoria is a superior defender to Bryant. Bryant is more compared to Troy Glaus over anyone. Yes, Bryant is a top prospect but I dont see them ranking him 1 or even top 3. It doesnt matter where he ranks though as long as he keeps hitting. You also have to take into account that his K rate is a bit concerning based on age and advancement for the level. He drops that K rate then we can talk about him being around the number 1 prospect. This is Bryants second go around in AA at 22. Baez only did that level once and he was 20. It matters when they rank players. But yet again, who gives a ****. I hope they both fall out of the top 10 then come up to the majors and fucking hit cause thats all that really matters.
 

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You got to realize when they rank prospects it isnt about their lines. Its about their overall ceiling and progression. You also have to realize Bryant is 22 and played against college pitchers. A lot of these guys are younger. It makes a difference. Also, the only comparison I make to Bryant and Longoria is the way they got to the majors. Longoria is a superior defender to Bryant. Bryant is more compared to Troy Glaus over anyone. Yes, Bryant is a top prospect but I dont see them ranking him 1 or even top 3. It doesnt matter where he ranks though as long as he keeps hitting. You also have to take into account that his K rate is a bit concerning based on age and advancement for the level. He drops that K rate then we can talk about him being around the number 1 prospect. This is Bryants second go around in AA at 22. Baez only did that level once and he was 20. It matters when they rank players. But yet again, who gives a ****. I hope they both fall out of the top 10 then come up to the majors and fucking hit cause thats all that really matters.

This isn't Bryant's second go at AA. He only got as high as A+ last year. As for ceiling comments, I understand that. However, you base ceiling on what someone is doing and the tools they have. In the case of a vast majority of the players who were ahead of him, they have either not performed well or have been hurt. That means another year of development. Again, I'm not guaranteeing he will be the top player next year but he's easily going to be in the conversation.
 

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Was going to say that also

He has dominated every stop. Only the Cubs management is slowing him down.

Still it is silly to point to SO's when his OBA is above .400 while leading his league in hitting and power. Talk about trying to find a flaw.

I'm more concerned with Baez. He is a streaky hitter. Bryant is a stable hitter. Both will SO. Bryant has done more when he is not.
 

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It's really od to have such a good eye, hit for such high average and power and still fan as much as he does.
 

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Len Kasper mad some good points on the Score today. He said that the Cubs aren't likely to move Bryant to AAA because Villanueva is there and it would be difficult to fit two third basemen there.

So it makes more sense for Bryant to skip AAA, but that a larger sample size is needed before the Cubs brass would do that. I am thinking this means a September call up.
 
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