Cub's Prospect Watch And Development Discussion Thread

[dabynsky]

I'm holding out for Hendricks and Wada.

Hendricks for next year. Wada because he is the best of the AAA rotation.

That is my guess. Though I have had thoughts about them sending guys down and rotating in various guys to get them looks while keep their innings down for the year. And also leaving an extra roster spot available for a bullpen guy.

 

[chibears55]

I'm holding out for Hendricks and Wada.

Hendricks for next year. Wada because he is the best of the AAA rotation.

I mentioned in another thread, I think besides hendricks they go with straily just to see what they have in him..

He 25 with 41 starts under his belt.. he had a rough go in his 7 starts this year but he was decent last year.

Might as well see if change of league could be beneficial for him, at 25 and team control for 4 more years he a good candidate to fill a rotation spot for next 4 years.

 

[dabynsky]

I mentioned in another thread, I think besides hendricks they go with straily just to see what they have in him..

He 25 with 41 starts under his belt.. he had a rough go in his 7 starts this year but he was decent last year.

Might as well see if change of league could be beneficial for him, at 25 and team control for 4 more years he a good candidate to fill a rotation spot for next 4 years.

I think Straily gets the Arrieta treatment and will spend a significant amount of time workin in Iowa. Bosio gets all the credit but the Cubs minor league pitching coordinator, Derek Johnson, is a bit of a guru too.

 

[CSF77]

That is my guess. Though I have had thoughts about them sending guys down and rotating in various guys to get them looks while keep their innings down for the year. And also leaving an extra roster spot available for a bullpen guy.

I could see that.

To be real here in Iowa Wada was the ace and Hendricks was the 2. Those are the 2 you go with.

Fuji is on rehab right now and I expect him added in Aug. he should fit nice as a 7th inning arm. They have a 500K buy out for next year. Idk I wouldn't mind them keeping him to give a vet for the pen next year.

Viz I wouldn't promote until Sept.

Rosscup promote after they trade 1 of the 2 LHRP. There is too many teams asking Theo about them to pass it up.

That is about it. Parker and Rusin should be in AAA for injury depth not any part of a transition.

 

[chibears55]

I think Straily gets the Arrieta treatment and will spend a significant amount of time workin in Iowa. Bosio gets all the credit but the Cubs minor league pitching coordinator, Derek Johnson, is a bit of a guru too.

Your thinking they work with him for a month or so then give him a couple starts in Aug or Sept.. I guess I can see that too

Meanwhile give wada an opportunity now

 

[dabynsky]

Your thinking they work with him for a month or so then give him a couple starts in Aug or Sept.. I guess I can see that too

Meanwhile give wada an opportunity now

Yeah that would be my guess for how it plays out. Beeler might get a look here or there too. But yeah I am guessing Wada-Hendricks for a while and then Straily gets 3-6 starts before end of the year.

 

[nwfisch]

On a similar note, how much would it cost for the Cubs to just buy the rooftop owners' buildings? Would that just be impossible to pull off? Seems like buying them and then demolishing them (or something) would really open up options for expansion around the park...

They might want to pay off the debt from the sale of the team first, then field a legitimate MLB payroll first before even considering buying out the rooftops.

Kind of funny all of the people defending the Cubs when Crane Kenney had no problem taking money from the rooftops for more than a decade.

 

[CSF77]

Yeah that would be my guess for how it plays out. Beeler might get a look here or there too. But yeah I am guessing Wada-Hendricks for a while and then Straily gets 3-6 starts before end of the year.

It makes sense. Go with a 6 man through sept to cut some IP on the starters. Wada has earned an opportunity.

 

[CSF77]

They might want to pay off the debt from the sale of the team first, then field a legitimate MLB payroll first before even considering buying out the rooftops.

Kind of funny all of the people defending the Cubs when Crane Kenney had no problem taking money from the rooftops for more than a decade.

I would do it. Then they could figure what was more profit. Selling the seats or building a sign at each spot.

The fact that other owners are pirating games off of a deal set by the Trib is mind numbing.

But 5 signs were approved. Get a building.

 

[Parade_Rain]

They might want to pay off the debt from the sale of the team first, then field a legitimate MLB payroll first before even considering buying out the rooftops.

Kind of funny all of the people defending the Cubs when Crane Kenney had no problem taking money from the rooftops for more than a decade.

Who are "all the people?" It's just like a "they". They are always easy to attack.

 

[CSF77]

But if they bought the building they could paint them red Budweiser or old pile (if that is sold still) etc. not the windows of course. Then still sell the roof seats.

 

[theberserkfury]

I think the Ricketts should just make them an offer they can't refuse... it'd make things so much easier...

But unfortunately it's not my money... :nope:

 

[nwfisch]

Who are "all the people?" It's just like a "they". They are always easy to attack.

Namely a person on Twitter saying the "Cubs won" this deal, when in reality they never should have recognized the group as an entity.

https://twitter.com/JulieDiCaro/status/487352644978343937

 

[chibears55]

If they were to buy those buildings, the only thing I could legitimately see them doing with them because their actually across a city street from the field itself is turning those buildings into restaurant/stores or parking lots.

Maybe they keep one and rent them out to out of town fans during home series

 

[TL1961]

Namely a person on Twitter saying the "Cubs won" this deal, when in reality they never should have recognized the group as an entity.

https://twitter.com/JulieDiCaro/status/487352644978343937

Agreed. That deal gave them credibility and limited what the Cubs could do. I'm not sure why getting the rooftops to fork over 17% of what they earned selling YOUR product was such a great deal for the Cubs.

But it's time to move forward, and a "**** 'em" approach is perfectly OK with me.

Rooftop owners can say "But the Cubs organization has a contract that the new ownership is bound by", which is technically true. But the owner needs to stare them down and dare them to kill their golden goose. $575 million would be a darn good start on a new ballpark elsewhere. Ricketts wasn't shrewd enough to have architects working on plans for a new park at the same time.

Hopefully the renovation gets underway. Whether renovating or building new, the delay hurts.

 

[CSF77]

I think Straily gets the Arrieta treatment and will spend a significant amount of time workin in Iowa. Bosio gets all the credit but the Cubs minor league pitching coordinator, Derek Johnson, is a bit of a guru too.

CHICAGO -- The Cubs are hopeful right-hander Dan Straily can get back on track after some time at Triple-A Iowa with pitching coach Bruce Walton.

Straily, 25, was one of three players the Cubs acquired Saturday from the Athletics for starting pitchers Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel. Chicago also got highly touted shortstop Addison Russell and 19-year-old outfielder Billy McKinney in the deal.

Straily struck out 124 over 152 1/3 innings in 27 starts in 2013 for the A's, but struggled this season in seven starts, posting a 1-2 record and 4.93 ERA. He made 10 starts with Triple-A Sacramento.

"Let him take a deep breath after the trade, go to Triple-A, get locked in, and hopefully make an impact at the big league level," Cubs president of baseball operations Theo Epstein said of Straily.

The Cubs took the same approach with Jake Arrieta last season when they acquired the right-hander from the Orioles in the Scott Feldman deal.

Russell, a first-round pick in 2012 who was the key piece in the trade, will report to Double-A Tennessee, and he could be in the lineup Sunday. Epstein said it was "a no-brainer for us that we had a chance to get Addison Russell."

McKinney, a first-round pick in 2013, will join Class A Advanced Daytona, where he'll join Albert Almora, the Cubs' No. 1 selection in 2012, in the oufield. Epstein said Almora is a pure center fielder, and McKinney can play all three outfield positions. A left-handed hitter, McKinney was batting .241 at Class A Advanced Stockton.

 

[CSF77]

Saw a vid on him. Fastball was 86-90. Slider was his best pitch 79+
Not really impressed with him.

 

[beckdawg]

On a similar note, how much would it cost for the Cubs to just buy the rooftop owners' buildings? Would that just be impossible to pull off? Seems like buying them and then demolishing them (or something) would really open up options for expansion around the park...

The problem is now it is prohibitively expensive. The move to do that was 20-30 years ago before someone realized "hey we can sell this and use someone else's product." It can be done but I don't think the price of that would be something they'd every recoup. It's easier to just break their deal and essentially make the rooftops less valuable with signs and stuff.

 

[dabears253313]

So the Cubs trade away players so they won't "block" and "can make room" for the prospects, but they sent down Hendricks and Beeler after a combined three starts...
Why not give them more experience???

Are the Cubs trying to trade Wada? I know he did good in his first start but maybe they are trying to trade him considering he is 33 years old. Maybe that's why Hendricks and Beeler are back in AAA.

 

[beckdawg]

So the Cubs trade away players so they won't "block" and "can make room" for the prospects, but they sent down Hendricks and Beeler after a combined three starts...
Why not give them more experience???

Are the Cubs trying to trade Wada? I know he did good in his first start but maybe they are trying to trade him considering he is 33 years old. Maybe that's why Hendricks and Beeler are back in AAA.

Keep in mind the All star break starts soon. Sending them down allows them to continue regular starts.