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ya they are just postponing any major decision right now. I'm guessing they are banking on a ASG trade.

Looking at it:
The extra crew:

(Ya tossing out wOBA...)

Ruggiano.....142 AB wOBA: .356
Valbuena.....259 AB wOBA: .332
Coghlan......139 AB wOBA: .329
Lake.........250 AB wOBA: .276
Olt..........195 AB wOBA: .269
Barney.......196 AB wOBA: .253
Schierholtz..279 AB wOBA: .252
Sweeney......129 AB wOBA: .250

I believe this is the pecking order for trade assets down to waver cuts.
 

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ya they are just postponing any major decision right now. I'm guessing they are banking on a ASG trade.

Looking at it:
The extra crew:

(Ya tossing out wOBA...)

Ruggiano.....142 AB wOBA: .356
Valbuena.....259 AB wOBA: .332
Coghlan......139 AB wOBA: .329
Lake.........250 AB wOBA: .276
Olt..........195 AB wOBA: .269
Barney.......196 AB wOBA: .253
Schierholtz..279 AB wOBA: .252
Sweeney......129 AB wOBA: .250

I believe this is the pecking order for trade assets down to waver cuts.

Not sure if those are desirable assets over what playoff type teams have on their roster or can call up from their minors.
 

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Not sure if those are desirable assets over what playoff type teams have on their roster or can call up from their minors.

There has been interest from the A's on Valbuena and Bean wanted to expand the deal more to add Valbuena as a 2B.

Ruggiano I believe he holds more value with the Cubs vs any trade offer would give.

Coghlan has been better than expected.

Olt and down should just go away.

Prediction:
Schierholtz gets cut after the ASG. RF goes to Ruggiano. Alcantara gets CF. Barney they hold out thinking some team will need a UI.

After the trade deadline Barney gets cut they add Baez. Bryant should get promoted but who knows with Theo if he will pull the trigger. I could see 3B status que the rest of the way.

Over all I don't see much change happening. Just Baez and Alcantara then most likely Wada and Hendricks in the rotation.
 

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There has been interest from the A's on Valbuena and Bean wanted to expand the deal more to add Valbuena as a 2B.

Ruggiano I believe he holds more value with the Cubs vs any trade offer would give.

Coghlan has been better than expected.

Olt and down should just go away.

Prediction:
Schierholtz gets cut after the ASG. RF goes to Ruggiano. Alcantara gets CF. Barney they hold out thinking some team will need a UI.

After the trade deadline Barney gets cut they add Baez. Bryant should get promoted but who knows with Theo if he will pull the trigger. I could see 3B status que the rest of the way.

Over all I don't see much change happening. Just Baez and Alcantara then most likely Wada and Hendricks in the rotation.

If Barney is still on the roster by the time the season is over, I'd rather have him starting at second base with Valbuena at third base rather than Valbuena at second base and Olt at third base like they have done plenty of times this season. Of course, that's only if those guys aren't traded in which I'm sure at least one of them will be.

If Baez plays third base and Alcantara goes to center field, they can keep Barney at second base. If Baez or Alcantara are chosen over Barney for second base, there is nothing wrong with having Barney as a backup.
 

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If Barney is still on the roster by the time the season is over, I'd rather have him starting at second base with Valbuena at third base rather than Valbuena at second base and Olt at third base like they have done plenty of times this season. Of course, that's only if those guys aren't traded in which I'm sure at least one of them will be.

If Baez plays third base and Alcantara goes to center field, they can keep Barney at second base. If Baez or Alcantara are chosen over Barney for second base, there is nothing wrong with having Barney as a backup.
Honestly, we have seen what Barney can do. I'd rather move on and see what Watkins can do. If some one found value in Barney's defense, I wouldn't give it a second thought...Might get a low A arm that could produce in a few years.
 

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If Barney is still on the roster by the time the season is over, I'd rather have him starting at second base with Valbuena at third base rather than Valbuena at second base and Olt at third base like they have done plenty of times this season. Of course, that's only if those guys aren't traded in which I'm sure at least one of them will be.

If Baez plays third base and Alcantara goes to center field, they can keep Barney at second base. If Baez or Alcantara are chosen over Barney for second base, there is nothing wrong with having Barney as a backup.

A line up of Cog LF/Alcantara CF/Rizzo 1B/Castro SS/Valbuena 3B/Ruggiano RF/Castillo C/Barney 2B is a UPG to what they have been running.
 

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Honestly, we have seen what Barney can do. I'd rather move on and see what Watkins can do. If some one found value in Barney's defense, I wouldn't give it a second thought...Might get a low A arm that could produce in a few years.

Watkins I would add if they trade Valbuena. I would project either as a UI. Watkins has covered all but P/C so he holds more value as a sub. Valbuena IMO Theo should trade to the A's.
 

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Line up tonight:

LHSP

Alcantara 2B
Ruggiano RF
Rizzo 1B
Castro SS
Castillo C
Lake CF
Cog LF
Olt 3B
 

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The Art Of Being Almost Ready, Vol. IV – Kris Bryant Edition

by Scott Strandberg - July 11, 2014

If you look at his numbers, Kris Bryant looks ready for the majors. He hit 22 homers in just 68 games in Double-A before earning a promotion to Triple-A, where he hasn’t slowed down a bit, smashing eight more homers in 22 games. Between the two levels, he now owns an absurd .348/.443/.700 slash, with 30 home runs and 11 steals…in just 90 games.

If you simply look at him on a baseball field, Kris Bryant looks ready for the majors. At 6’5″, 215 pounds, the 22-year-old stands out from his peers on the diamond. He’s faster than it seems like he should be. He’s remarkably agile. Everything he does looks smooth. He’s one of those guys who would probably excel at any sport. He makes it all look easy.

I had the opportunity to see Bryant in person for the first time last weekend, and you really can’t make a more emphatic first impression than he did. The very first pitch I saw in a Bryant plate appearance was an inside fastball that caught too much of the plate, and he hit possibly the longest in-game home run I have ever seen at Bricktown Ballpark.

That ball ended up clearing the video board above the bleachers in left with plenty to spare. Just look at that swing. He’s so calm in the box, barely even moving, before he takes a quick step with the front foot and just straight-up catapults that bat through the zone. It’s a exceptionally smooth swing, paired with good loft that produces home runs in bunches.

After that magical first pitch, however, Bryant’s day started to spiral. Over his next three at-bats, he saw almost exclusively breaking balls, either low in the zone or down in the dirt. By my count, Bryant swung at six pitches that registered below 80 mph on the gun. He whiffed on all six swings, with two of them resulting in strikeouts.

Bryant showed his youth emotionally, as well. He grew visibly frustrated as the game went on and the swinging strikes piled up, cursing at himself under his breath on his way back to the dugout, shaking his head, rolling his eyes, etc. A game that started with a jaw-dropping feat of strength ended with a swinging strikeout at a curveball in the dirt.

Between Double-A and Triple-A, Bryant’s strikeout rate sits at 27.3% this year (25.9% in Double-A, 31.9% in Triple-A). While his swing can get a bit long (he is 6’5″, after all), I think this is more of a product of his work-in-progress pitch recognition than a mechanical issue. If Triple-A pitchers — and not even especially good ones; he faced Rudy Owens and Alex White in this particular game — can exploit his inability to recognize breaking pitches, I worry that pitchers in the majors would eat him alive.

Cubs president Theo Epstein said that he doesn’t see a scenario that leads to Bryant playing in the majors this year. This has led to some hand-wringing by Cubs fans who are desperate for the team’s crop of hot prospects to save the team from monotonous mediocrity. Looking at his batting line and his 30 homers, it’s very easy to understand where they’re coming from. His strikeout rate is high, but it’s easy to willingly overlook when it’s surrounded by bloated video-game numbers.

Bryant has all the tools necessary to be an All-Star caliber third baseman for years to come, but he’s probably better off staying in the minors for now so he can iron out the wrinkles in his pitch recognition, away from the media attention and fan expectations. Bryant is one hell of an athlete, but as Cubs fans are plenty used to hearing, “Wait until next year.”
 

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Cubs' Javier Baez on a steep learning curve
After cruising through system, top shortstop prospect hit major speed bump against Triple-A pitching before slowly snapping out of deep slump

By Paul Sullivan, Chicago Tribune reporter

4:02 p.m. CDT, July 12, 2014

DES MOINES — Maybe the best things to happen to Javier Baez this year were his early season struggles at Triple-A Iowa and the sudden shift of media attention toward fellow prospects Kris Bryant and Addison Russell.

Baez's standing as the top player in the Cubs' system was no longer a given, and all the talk in spring training that he already was ready for the majors had been temporarily muted.

"Once I get called up, I don't want to come back down, so I'm being patient and waiting for them to think I'm ready," Baez said. "When they think I'm ready, I'll be ready for that."

He's not ready yet, despite cries for his call-up, and will remain at Iowa until he proves he can bring some consistency to his offensive game and shore up his defense.

It all looked so easy for Baez last year at Class A Daytona and Double-A Tennessee. He combined to hit .282 with 37 home runs and 111 RBIs in only 130 games, tying for second in the minors in home runs and leading all minor leaguers in RBIs and extra-base hits (75) while earning the Cubs' minor league player of the year honor.

While Bryant cruised through Class A and Double A in one year, Baez hit a speed bump, adjusting slowly to pitching at the Triple-A level. He hit .172 in April with a .238 on-base percentage and .379 slugging percentage, shortly after hearing experts proclaim he already was the best hitter on the Cubs' roster.

But Baez is learning, one at-bat at a time. He said he's swinging at strikes now and taking more pitches to the opposite field. While Baez has gone through struggles before, he added: "Not as bad as this year."

Baez's average has risen to a more respectable .240, with 14 home runs and 55 RBIs, though his strikeout total (110 in 312 at-bats) still is alarming.

He's really no different than most players who have zoomed through the system to Triple A before hitting a logjam. The pitchers are a little older, a lot smarter and less inclined to throw a fastball to someone who willingly lunges at off-speed stuff out of the strike zone.

"I've been getting better and better every day," Baez said. "It's way different here. In Double A, they throw a lot of strikes, a lot of pitches in the zone. Here they make you chase, and they're going to keep doing it until you learn."

Iowa hitting coach Brian Harper conceded it's "a whole different adjustment than A-ball and Double A," but he said Baez has emerged from his slow start.

"If you take away April, his numbers are pretty decent," Harper said. "He just got off to such a bad start and it kind of snowballed. I'm proud of the way he has handled the rough start. He has worked hard and really dedicated himself to figuring things out."

Just in case Baez isn't figuring things out quickly enough, Cubs President Theo Epstein threw a monkey wrench into the plan, making the controversial decision to bring former Red Sox slugger Manny Ramirez to Iowa as a player-coach -- or coach-player, depending on who's talking.

"It really boils down to he's the calmest hitter I've ever seen in the box," Epstein said. "And if Manny can help one hitter get a little bit calmer in the box, it'll be worth it.

"He handles nasty right-handed breaking stuff. His whole approach to it, I think he can articulate it better than anyone I've ever been around. If he can help impart some of that wisdom to just one hitter …"

It's hoped that one hitter is Baez, though Ramirez is there to mentor all the Iowa hitters.

No matter how it turns out, the "Manny Effect" is a fascinating experiment. Ramirez's relationship with Baez will be under the spotlight the rest of the season, and he probably will get some credit if Baez dominates in the second half the way everyone assumed he would when he arrived in April.

"Legendary work ethic," Harper said of Ramirez. "Nobody has ever said anything but that he works hard and really prepares. For him to come in and actually do what I've been telling these kids is a great help for me."

Though Ramirez's arrival seemingly would undercut Harper's ability to do his job, Harper insisted he has no problem sharing his duties. As long as the message ultimately is received, Harper doesn't care how it's transmitted.

"Sometimes with hitting, one coach might say something and it might not click," he said. "And another coach might verbalize it in a different way and all of a sudden it clicks for a kid. Manny and I talk about guys and some of the things we want to help them with. He's awesome."

Baez has been studying Ramirez, who said he is taking things slowly and doesn't want to get in the prospects' faces right away. But it's more than Ramirez's hitting techniques that interest Baez.

"I asked Manny about how he takes care of the fans that get on him during the game and talk trash," Baez said. "He told me he was so focused on his AB's that he doesn't listen to anybody.

"This last road trip, he only played one game. The other four games he wasn't playing, but he was ready to get in, batting gloves on, swinging the bat. I was like, 'Manny, what are you doing? You're going to hit somebody with the bat.' He told me, 'I'm just ready to get in the game.'"

Image repair is obviously on Ramirez's to-do list given his violations of baseball's PED policy. But Baez also needs to be a little concerned with his own image after scuffling with Iowa teammate Eli Whiteside the third game of the season. The veteran catcher reportedly tried to calm him down in the dugout after Baez was ejected for arguing with the home plate umpire.

"I was mad, he was mad, everybody was mad," Baez told the Des Moines Register afterward. "We argued a little. Nothing personal."

That incident coincided with the start of Baez's slump and was the first blot — albeit a minor one — on an otherwise clean resume for the young shortstop.

The pressure of living up to hype is never easy, but teammates say Baez has gotten much better at it over the last three months.

"Even through the struggles, he has matured and is handling things really well," Iowa starter Dallas Beeler said. "He's growing up and it's fun to watch. There is extra pressure (on Baez), but I don't think you can ask much more from the guy than what he's doing now."

In spite of a mediocre batting average, Baez was invited to take part in the Futures Game on Sunday in Minneapolis, playing for the world team against a U.S. squad that includes Bryant. That should be a good barometer of how far he has to go.

"Other guys ask me why I'm on the world team," Baez said. "I grew up in the U.S. but was born in Puerto Rico and lived there for 12 years. But it feels great to be named to the Futures Game."

Baez's ultimate position remains anyone's guess, especially with Starlin Castro's impressive rebound and the Cubs' acquisition of Russell from the Athletics. Baez's fielding has improved significantly and he no longer is looking at runners when picking up the ball. He made a backhanded play June 30 against Omaha at Principal Park that was as good as any major league shortstop could make.

Baez has worked out at second base before games but spent all his time at short so far. Unlike Bryant, who is adamant about wanting to remain at third, Baez said he didn't "really care" when asked about possibly switching positions in the majors.

Conventional wisdom says Baez will be called up in September to get a taste of the big leagues before starting the 2015 season with the Cubs. But nothing is assured and, for now, Baez needs to regain the offensive consistency that made him the Cubs' top prospect in the first place.

"Javy is right where he needs to be — in Triple A," Epstein said. "He's facing some adversity because he's not putting up his normal numbers.

"There are still times he's out of control in the box. He can be locked in for three or four at-bats, and the next thing you know he's swinging at a pitch over his head and a 58-footer. As soon as he learns to refine his approach a little more, swing at pitches he can drive and calm himself down a little bit, he'll be up here.

"But he's in exactly the right place, with a great attitude working on what he needs to work on."
 

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Bryant starting at 3rd and hitting 4th for team USA. No Baez in the World team starting lineup.
 

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Reading Baez put on an absolute show in batting practice. A lot of people that arent Cubs fans are talking about it. Hit one in the third deck in 5.06 seconds.

Also, his homerun today was ridiculous. pretty good curveball and hits its 399 feet opposite field.
 

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Someone must have pissed Soler off. 3 for 5 day with 2 more homers. Dude has been insane since coming back. He could be in AAA before the end of the year. Maybe even a cup of tea at the ML level since he is on the 40 man roster.
 

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Baez's two-run homer00:00:597/13/14: Cubs prospect Javier Baez smashes a two-run homer to right-center field in the 6th to give the World Team a 2-1 edge
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MINNEAPOLIS -- Arismendy Alcantara cracked the code. How long until there's a wave of talent pouring into Wrigley Field behind him?

Javier Baez believes his time is coming fast, and on Sunday did what he could to show he's ready. He drove a Lucas Giolito curveball over the right-field fence for an opposite-field, two-run homer in the SiriusXM All-Star Futures Game at Target Field.

"That was fun,'' said Baez. "I hit it hard. Pretty good.''

As Baez rounded third base, he and Triple-A Iowa teammate Kris Bryant, who played for the U.S. Team, had a brief conversation that ended with smiles all around.


"He said something about me,'' Baez said. "I don't know what he said. My family was behind him in the stands. I was pointing to them.''
Baez's sixth-inning homer briefly gave the World Team a one-run lead, but the U.S. answered with a two-run homer by Joey Gallo in the bottom of the inning and went on to win, 3-2.

"We gave it everything we had,'' Baez said.

Before the game, Baez had been asked if he thinks he'll make his Cubs debut this season.

"For sure,'' said the 21-year-old shortstop. "Just going to keep doing what I'm doing and get called up soon.''

Baez, who created excitement by hitting five homers in Spring Training, hit .172 in April, but was batting .240 with 14 home runs and 55 RBIs in 84 games when he and Bryant left the Iowa Cubs to travel to Minneapolis. He has 51 homers in 214 games at three levels over the last two seasons.

"Having Kris Bryant in the lineup, Arismendy Alcantara too, has been great,'' said Baez, who grounded out in his other at-bat. "We're all doing good. We all trust ourselves. I'm pretty sure one of us three is going to have a good game, whether it's him or me or Alcantara. If they don't pitch to Alcantara, they've got to pitch to me; if they don't pitch to me, they've got to pitch to Kris. It feels good to have him in the lineup.''

Manny Ramirez, signed to be a player-coach, has added to the spice of the Cubs' Triple-A stew. Both Baez and Bryant said Ramirez has often been the first player to the clubhouse and the last to leave the batting cage.

"Once I get to the field we go straight to the cage and hit and hit and hit,'' Baez said. "He's always doing something. He likes to hit a lot. He likes to talk to other guys. He likes to work.''

The lessons start shortly after lunch.

"We get to the field 12:30, 1 and around 1:30 we are in the cage working on something,'' Baez said. "He's just trying to help on what we're doing in each at-bat. He talks to everybody. He's just one of the guys on the team, that's how he is. He's trying to help everybody.''

Addison Russell, the highly regarded shortstop acquired from Oakland in the Jeff Samardzija trade, wasn't invited to the Futures Game. He and Bryant played together in the Arizona Fall League last year but Baez said he hasn't yet gotten to know him.

"I've heard he's a good prospect,'' Baez said. "Hopefully he can keep doing good and move up.''

While Baez has remained at shortstop, he takes ground balls regularly at second base in anticipation of a possible position change. After all, Starlin Castro appears to have secured his spot at Wrigley Field with an All-Star season.

Baez said he doesn't worry about the glut of shortstops or even a possible trade.

"Not really,'' Baez said, when asked if the addition of Russell impacted him. "I'm just doing my own thing. I'm sure they have plans for us. … We all understand this is a business. Whatever happens is going to happen. We're ready for it.''

Bryant says he doesn't worry about whether Alcantara's arrival will trigger a wave of promotions.

"I don't focus on that,'' said Bryant, who was 0-for-3 with two strikeouts and a walk as the U.S. cleanup hitter. "I know the guys in the clubhouse, we're very happy for him. But focusing on that is sort of a distraction. You don't need to do that. Just go out there every day, work as hard as you can. That will help you get there soon.''

Alcantara hit his first Major League home run in the Cubs' loss to the Braves on Sunday. He has five extra-base hits in five games since being promoted while Darwin Barney was on paternity leave.

While Alcantara was never regarded as one of the Cubs' top prospects, he has long had the respect of his teammates. Bryant, who started the season with Double-A Tennessee, isn't the least bit surprised to see his former Iowa teammate start his career with a splash.

"I wouldn't expect anything else,'' Bryant said. "In my short time watching him play, he got a hit every time. I think he goes about it the right way. He's an outstanding player, a great teammate. He's trying to get better. I can't say enough about him at this point.''
 
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