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What does that hand signal mean? I know the Cubs do it, but what is the story behind it. Does it mean beastmode?

There's some spanish phrase for it that means did you see that iirc. Cubs den mentioned it earlier in the season but I'd have to go back thru the archive to find out the exact phrase. Pretty sure Bonifacio is the one who started it.
 

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Whoa, dont go that far. We are the Cubs. We dont have the best luck.

[video=youtube;pWdd6_ZxX8c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c[/video]

Not that I disagree but I haven't used this video enough.
 

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Looking at the line up: I think Ruggiano is day to day as why he has not been playing:

wOBA:
Rizzo: .400
Alcantara: .363
Coghlan: .354
Ruggiano: .351
Valbuena: .335
Castro: .331
Castillo: .307
Bonifacio: .288
Lake: .269
Baker: .258
Sweeney: .254
Schierholtz: .245

I see this as a gauge on who is getting booted off the 25 man as they start to add past the trade deadline. Seeing how they ass canned Barney I wouldn't feel good about life if I was Nate right now.

The only thing that is saving him is they are more focused on trading Bonifacio to bring up Baez.

I'm still holding to Soler and Baez will be on the team at the latest 2nd week of Aug after they try to see if anyone picks up Nate or Bonifacio via wavers.

Prediction:
Goes to wavers:
Schierholtz
Valbuena
Villineauva
Bonifacio (if not traded)
Sweeney

Lake I feel is safe for now. Sure they could toss him in AAA but there are bigger fish to cook first.
 

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Baez with a 3 run bomb in the first. Bryant and Soler also each had a hit. Soler with a double. They play a double header tonight.

Baez is now up to 18 homers and has really been surging in the past 65 games. Batting over .300 with a good walk rate and over .900 OPS.
 

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CHICAGO -- Cubs reliever Neil Ramirez is going to get a little breather.

Since Spring Training, the Cubs have been concerned about the number of innings for their relievers, and on Saturday, they decided to option Ramirez to Triple-A Iowa and recall Blake Parker. But Ramirez won't report immediately to Iowa, and instead will take some days off, then ease back into the workload.

Ramirez, 25, may not be the only reliever who gets a break. Manager Rick Renteria said they're keeping an eye on right-handers Brian Schlitter and Justin Grimm as well. The Cubs have been carrying eight relievers for most of the season, but still seem to come up shorthanded.

"We're just going to give [Ramirez] a blow, that's all this is," Renteria said Saturday. "We've been using everybody extensively. We've had conversations within the organization since Spring Training about a lot of our arms. We've used them a lot and we want to have the ability to give them a break during the course of the season."

The move is definitely not performance-based. Ramirez has an 0.96 ERA in 33 games, giving up three earned runs over 28 innings. Grimm leads the bullpen with 47 games and 44 1/3 innings, while Schlitter has pitched in 43 2/3 innings over 46 games.

"I'm sure it won't be the last person we do," Renteria said of Ramirez. "We have quite a few arms we've been riding quite a bit."

The expectation is that Ramirez will be back after 10 days, Renteria said.

Parker, 29, has 21 saves with a 1.29 ERA in 28 games for Iowa this season. This is his fourth stint with the Cubs this season, and he is 1-0 with a 9.53 ERA in five games.

Extra bases

• Arismendy Alcantara and Emilio Bonifacio have been splitting time between second base and center field. How does Renteria decide who starts where?

"We already know Boni can play center," Renteria said. "Mendy's a guy who has only played 10 or 11 games in center field. This is where we'll find out what he needs to develop in that position. [Alcantara] looks really good out there, very fluid. I'm hoping the transition and the games he gets, he'll be able to go out there and gain more confidence because he's out there."

Alcantara has started eight games at second, and he made his fifth start in center on Saturday.

• Shortstop Addison Russell, acquired from the Athletics in the July 4 trade that sent Jeff Samardzija and Jason Hammel to Oakland, hit two home runs and drove in four runs for Double-A Tennessee on Friday. Russell now has six multihit games since joining the Smokies.
 

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I see the correlation between Baez and Mendy right now. Fluid is a good term for him. He looks like a natural CF.

I'm just wondering how long they will sit Fuji in AAA before the recall him?
 

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Looking at the line up: I think Ruggiano is day to day as why he has not been playing:

wOBA:
Rizzo: .400
Alcantara: .363
Coghlan: .354
Ruggiano: .351
Valbuena: .335
Castro: .331
Castillo: .307
Bonifacio: .288
Lake: .269
Baker: .258
Sweeney: .254
Schierholtz: .245

I see this as a gauge on who is getting booted off the 25 man as they start to add past the trade deadline. Seeing how they ass canned Barney I wouldn't feel good about life if I was Nate right now.

The only thing that is saving him is they are more focused on trading Bonifacio to bring up Baez.

I'm still holding to Soler and Baez will be on the team at the latest 2nd week of Aug after they try to see if anyone picks up Nate or Bonifacio via wavers.

Prediction:
Goes to wavers:
Schierholtz
Valbuena
Villineauva
Bonifacio (if not traded)
Sweeney

Lake I feel is safe for now. Sure they could toss him in AAA but there are bigger fish to cook first.

Lake certainly has weaknesses that need to be addressed. But look at it the other way. If you have guys on the bench, needed for late inning situations, wouldn't a guy with speed and power, but holes is his swing be preferable to a guy who might get a single, but couldn't steal or score from 2nd? (which is what the other bench players give you)

Keep Lake. Somebody work with the guy, for chrisakes.
 

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Lake certainly has weaknesses that need to be addressed. But look at it the other way. If you have guys on the bench, needed for late inning situations, wouldn't a guy with speed and power, but holes is his swing be preferable to a guy who might get a single, but couldn't steal or score from 2nd? (which is what the other bench players give you)

Keep Lake. Somebody work with the guy, for chrisakes.

You realize he has only 3 hits over the last 30 days? In 41 AB's he SO 17 times. 41.1% while walking 0 over that span.

He has been an athlete sense day 1. But not all athletes make good baseball players.

His problem I believe is low baseball IQ.
 

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You realize he has only 3 hits over the last 30 days? In 41 AB's he SO 17 times. 41.1% while walking 0 over that span.

He has been an athlete sense day 1. But not all athletes make good baseball players.

His problem I believe is low baseball IQ.

I wouldnt say all that about his baseball IQ. I am a firm believer that some people have the ability to recognize and some dont. Lake is proven he doesnt. Sometimes the switch comes on but most often it does not. Lake has always been a toolsy guy that if people ever thought if he could be it together could be something. I tell a guy on our team who came up the same way. Alcantara, he was very toolsy until last year and he put it together with the walks and XBH. He did the same this year. The reason he wasnt high in our farm before because he was such a toolsy player with not one great thing he did. Now, he has put it together. He needs to continue to be a productive major league hitter.

By the way, Baez hit two 3 run jacks tonight. He missed a third homerun to tie the game in the first game by a foot.He ended up with a double. HE did have 3 K's but I can absolutely live with that. The guy is just been unreal since his horrid start.

Javier Baez has hit safely in 20 of his last 21 games batting .325 (27-83) with 9 doubles, 8 home runs, and 26 RBIs during that span

Javier Baez last 64 games: .307/.356/.584, 14 HRs, 22 2Bs, 27% K-rate, 7.5% BB-rate

That was before tonights games.

Let me explain why he would come up before Bryant. Baez has shown he takes a little longer to adjust for a league. Bryant has been quicker. Bringing Baez up will show him what he has to do to adjust and also make his progression faster next season. He will need more time to adjust then Bryant.

Soler coming up is because I truly believe Soler is almost ready and has a better approach then Baez and Bryant. He will never K like them and he will walk more than Baez but less then Bryant. He is a more complete hitter then them 2 but he may never have a ceiling of them 2 which is saying something because Soler ceiling is pretty high. Dude is built for baseball.
 

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I wouldnt say all that about his baseball IQ. I am a firm believer that some people have the ability to recognize and some dont. Lake is proven he doesnt. Sometimes the switch comes on but most often it does not. Lake has always been a toolsy guy that if people ever thought if he could be it together could be something. I tell a guy on our team who came up the same way. Alcantara, he was very toolsy until last year and he put it together with the walks and XBH. He did the same this year. The reason he wasnt high in our farm before because he was such a toolsy player with not one great thing he did. Now, he has put it together. He needs to continue to be a productive major league hitter.

By the way, Baez hit two 3 run jacks tonight. He missed a third homerun to tie the game in the first game by a foot.He ended up with a double. HE did have 3 K's but I can absolutely live with that. The guy is just been unreal since his horrid start.

Javier Baez has hit safely in 20 of his last 21 games batting .325 (27-83) with 9 doubles, 8 home runs, and 26 RBIs during that span

Javier Baez last 64 games: .307/.356/.584, 14 HRs, 22 2Bs, 27% K-rate, 7.5% BB-rate

That was before tonights games.

Let me explain why he would come up before Bryant. Baez has shown he takes a little longer to adjust for a league. Bryant has been quicker. Bringing Baez up will show him what he has to do to adjust and also make his progression faster next season. He will need more time to adjust then Bryant.

Soler coming up is because I truly believe Soler is almost ready and has a better approach then Baez and Bryant. He will never K like them and he will walk more than Baez but less then Bryant. He is a more complete hitter then them 2 but he may never have a ceiling of them 2 which is saying something because Soler ceiling is pretty high. Dude is built for baseball.

They talk about it as strike zone mastery. Which is pitch recon and not swinging at balls. I get getting fooled on a slider in the dirt but taking 0 BB over a month there is a core issue going on with his development.

I would put it as a product of a bad developmental system. He was in the system sense 2007. 2468 minor league AB's and walked 146 times while striking out 579.

So there is either a problem with the system or a problem with him. Seeing how the system was a train wreck I'll pass it off as a system issue with them f-king up players.
 

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Let me explain why he would come up before Bryant. Baez has shown he takes a little longer to adjust for a league. Bryant has been quicker. Bringing Baez up will show him what he has to do to adjust and also make his progression faster next season. He will need more time to adjust then Bryant.

Soler coming up is because I truly believe Soler is almost ready and has a better approach then Baez and Bryant. He will never K like them and he will walk more than Baez but less then Bryant. He is a more complete hitter then them 2 but he may never have a ceiling of them 2 which is saying something because Soler ceiling is pretty high. Dude is built for baseball.

What they should do is bring up all 3 in Aug. They can off Bonifacio, Schierholtz and Valbuena. The Cubs have been holding onto Valbuena and Ruggiano to help with the kids transition but IMO they are better off clearing payroll next year to be used towards SP. Sweeney for that matter should be cut in the offseason. 1.5 mil is little loss and too much to pay for a 4th OF.
 

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You realize he has only 3 hits over the last 30 days? In 41 AB's he SO 17 times. 41.1% while walking 0 over that span.

He has been an athlete sense day 1. But not all athletes make good baseball players.

His problem I believe is low baseball IQ.

I agree 100%. He is NOT a good baseball player right now.

When he first came up, however, he used his speed. He bunted for hits. Since then, he seems to be trying to hit a 700 foot home run every time up.

Somebody needs to WORK with him. He has tools that can't be taught. It's too early to give up. Maybe he never does put it together. It seems he has no baseball IQ, that is true. I am not saying we may not get to the point where we need to give up on him. I am just saying we are not there yet.
 

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I would send him back to AAA if possible and see if his issues can be worked out to an extent. Surely Manny wasn't brought in just to work with Baez and Bryant.
 

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2015 payroll:
Jackson 11 mil (I'm thinking of making him a MR/2 inning guy)
Castro 6.9 mil (I expect traded and Russell promoted)
Fujikawa 5.5 mil option I would pull it. Solidifying the 7-9 is worth the investment.
Wood Arb2. Made 3.9 mil. I'll go with 4.5 mil. He took a step back. about a 11% raise.
Soler 2.67 mil
Rizzo 5.3 mil
Wright arb3 has a 4. made 1,425 mil. He has earned a solid raise. I would give him a 30% pay increase 1,852,500
Strop his BB9 went from 2.8 last year to 4.7. Thing is 4.8 is his career avg so last year seems to be the exception. I would consider trading him this year.
Baker is a F/A. They have plenty of back up options in AAA. I wouldn't pay more than 500k here. Baker made 875k. Too much IMO.
Coghlan has a arb3 and 4 Not sure what he is making this year though. Can't find a resource showing it. I would play him fulltime in LF though. 3 mil maybe a good arb offer. His BABIP: VS LH: .303/ RH: .321. His production takes a little hit vs LH pitching but not bad enough to say 100% platoon him.

Arrieta arb1. I would go with Woods arb1 deal 3.9 mil. There is question in regard to Arrieta being able to sustain this level of pitching just like we had with Wood last year.

Castillo will hit arb1. He should be looking at 5 mil IMO.

Rondon, Ramirez, Schlitter, Hendricks are all under control.

They have a few directions they could go next year. I would make a big play for either Max Scherzer or Jon Lester. If the price tag goes over 150 mil then I would pass and gear up for going after Price. Now if they decide they want to go after Price when he goes to F/A then I would go after Justin Masterson. His career numbers are 57-69. 4.16 ERA. 3.7 BB9. 7.5SO9. WHIP 1.383. He has a known name but his numbers suggest #3 pitcher. Career FIP 3.83. I would make him the offer they made to shark. 85 mil then build up for Price. It is hard to tell with Price right now though. Rays are close enough to make a go at it and could sell in the off season.
 

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I would send him back to AAA if possible and see if his issues can be worked out to an extent. Surely Manny wasn't brought in just to work with Baez and Bryant.

Couldn't hurt. I'm under the opinion of next year leaving Lake in LF and Olt at 1B in Iowa and using a 8 man pen on the Cubs. When the need for a DH comes up send down a pen arm and promote the hotter hitter of the 2 to DH for the series then demote after vs them taking up a roster spot to sit on the bench. This keeps hem active and their timing good while adding value to the team.
 

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1.5 million is too much for a 4th OF?

How many vets in MLB make less? Any?
 
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