Cubs send Torres to Yankees for Chapman

[Parade_Rain]

How close were the Yankees with Bernie, Jeter, etc?

Just scouring their roster without looking them all up, these players were not from the Yankees farm-

1998 Roster-

Joe Borowski - Orioles
Willie Banks - Twins
David Cone - Royals
Joe Girardi - Cubs
Tino Martinez - Mariners
Chuck Knoblauch - Twins
Louis Sojo - Blue Jays
Dale Sveum - Brewers
Tim Raines - Expos
Darryl Strawberry - Mets

So the answer is not many were home grown.

 

[Parade_Rain]

How can I not be jacked up? Well A) Chapman apparently choked a woman which is both disgusting and could happen again....

There is evidence that the woman attacked him first and he did not choke her. He did fire a shotgun multiple times in his garage out of anger, if I have my information correct. What he did certainly wasn't right, but it could be an isolated incident.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

Since they get Warren back, that makes it Torres, Mckinney, and Starlin Castro for 3 months of Aroldis Chapman lol

Seriously though, world series or bust

Castro is a low OBP/high error guy who will never be that good.
Warren is awful.
McKinny's stock is low after poor performance and injury.
Torres could be a monster but he's at single A and blocked by two young studs (Russell and Baez).

Thed Hoystein think we can win a WS now so they are going for it. I hate giving up Torres - it's a big blow. But its not giving up Babe Schwarber.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

How can I not be jacked up? Well A) Chapman apparently choked a woman which is both disgusting and could happen again and B) this isn't anywhere near a "steal." The cubs arguably payed more than the Red Sox did for Kimbrel this past offseason and Kimbrel had 3 years of control. Cubs get Chapman for 2 months. As for what happens after that, if the idea is to throw lots of money at him they very well could have done that 6 months from now and kept their prospects. Maybe that doesn't help them this year but if the cubs are "the best team in the majors" they really shouldn't be squeezing out games so closely that he makes a difference even in the playoffs. Granted you might not win 6-2 or whatever but if the cubs are in 1 run games in the 9th in the playoffs there's other problems they could have addressed.

As for Torres, whether or not he becomes something really isn't the point. The point is he has a value right now. Theoretically that value can be applied in other directions and if they are willing to part with him I'd prefer it were for starting pitching seeing as they have 1 starter under the age of 29.

Amen. I agree 100%.

 

[chibears55]

So those of you complaining about getting Chapman, does this mean you cant cheer or get excited when he comes in and closes out games. . Heaven forbid he helps get them to the "gulp" WS and we win it all...

Seriously, how can you not see Epstein just solidified his bullpen that as of last week most on here was calling it horrible ..
He did what most GMs do at deadline deals and went and got 2 very good LH relievers that going to be needed in playoff against nats or Giants who best hitters are LH...

Were you seriously content with just Montgomery and 40 YO Nathan to solidify the pen rest of year and playoffs?

Epstein got 2 solid LH relievers for a WS run and all he basically gave up was a career ML 1st basemen who was blocked and a 19 YO SS who we won't know for 2-3 yrs if he even becomes a steady major leaguer plus if you believe in Russell and Baez, they block him .

So.. great move by Epstein. . Finally good to see an owner and GM with balls and go for it in a year they legitimately have a shot

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[brett05]

Just scouring their roster without looking them all up, these players were not from the Yankees farm-

1998 Roster-

Joe Borowski - Orioles
Willie Banks - Twins
David Cone - Royals
Joe Girardi - Cubs
Tino Martinez - Mariners
Chuck Knoblauch - Twins
Louis Sojo - Blue Jays
Dale Sveum - Brewers
Tim Raines - Expos
Darryl Strawberry - Mets

So the answer is not many were home grown.

True that. Thanks!

Of course really outside of Tino, the major players were home grown, no?

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

Thed Hoystein's job requirement is to bring a World Series to Chicago. They are not the moral police. Our bullpen sucks and Chapman helps immensely. We finally have a guy with nasty, ridiculous stuff who can shut down any hitter in the game.

Let's say the Nationals or Giants acquired Chapman and we played them in the playoffs. Down by one in the 9th inning with Chapman up -- how do you like our chances?

 

[FrankieLyrical]

Thed Hoystein's job requirement is to bring a World Series to Chicago. They are not the moral police. Our bullpen sucks and Chapman helps immensely. We finally have a guy with nasty, ridiculous stuff who can shut down any hitter in the game.

Let's say the Nationals or Giants acquired Chapman and we played them in the playoffs. Down by one in the 9th inning with Chapman up -- how do you like our chances?

I like him much better on our side. I don't get into that moral shit. He served a suspension. That's done

 

[Shawon0Meter]

I'm surprised Chapman's domestic violence incident is really a thought. I feel like 30 and 40 year old men are still looking for heroes. He's either making millions and pitching well with the Cubs or against the Cubs. I have no moral dilemma in cheering the uniform. You're already supporting plenty of people who did bad things one way or another simply by being a big sports fan.

The valid concern is whether or not it would happen again if he's signed long-term and that hasn't happened yet.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I'm surprised Chapman's domestic violence incident is really a thought. I feel like 30 and 40 year old men are still looking for heroes. He's either making millions and pitching well with the Cubs or against the Cubs. I have no moral dilemma in cheering the uniform. You're already supporting plenty of people who did bad things one way or another simply by being a big sports fan.

The valid concern is whether or not it would happen again if he's signed long-term and that hasn't happened yet.

Sure would be nice if he was a classy guy like Peanut Tillman though for example. That being said, I'll still root for him.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

zOMG Fire Thed Hoystein!!! They should only target altruistic humanitarians who have been up for Noble Peace Prizes, Ameri-Corps Alums, or Doctors With Out Borders residents!!!!!!

 

[ZAN]

38 innings
22 hits
5 walks
48 strikeouts

1.95 era
0.73 whip
.171 baa

Rondon has 4 blown saves but has been absolutely dominant.....chapman is a slight upgrade but it's really an upgrade to the 6th -8th innings as everyone slots 1 spot down

Which is the problem. If our starters leave the game with runners on, we've been having to play matchups with Cahill/Richard/Wood/etc...and a lot of those runs have scored.

The issue is not the 8th/9th inning. The issue is the 6th when our starter leaves, and playing the lefty/righty matchup game in the 7th before getting to our shutdown guys. Now with Chapman, shutdown time starts one inning earlier...and you play matchup ball with Montgomery/CJ Edwards/Travis Wood/Joe Nathan in the 5th & 6th.

 

[ZAN]

There is evidence that the woman attacked him first and he did not choke her. He did fire a shotgun multiple times in his garage out of anger, if I have my information correct. What he did certainly wasn't right, but it could be an isolated incident.

Which she admitted. She said "choke" and later clarified that he didn't impede her from breathing. Sounds like she was uber pissed that he was talking to another female and he was holding her at arms length around the shoulders/neck. Not saying it's right...but god damn, at what point to people start reading police reports for themselves instead of going to Julie DiCaro or Dan Bernstein for a hot-take gospel sermon?

 

[jooo83]

The Cubs haven't won a WS in over a 100 years and appear to be a legitimate contender to do so this season. Yet fans are complaining about trading for an elite relief pitcher (their biggest weakness no less) that wasn't even charged for the crime people are assuming he's guilty of committing. I don't get it. And for fans actually interested in the facts/allegations rather than simply assuming guilt, the witness gave inconsistent statements to police and claimed she was struck in front of other witnesses. When interviewed by the police said witnesses denied seeing a physical alteration between Chapman and his GF. I don't pretend to know what happened that day but it seems pretty clear why the police elected not to file criminal charges against Chapman. Of course there is a risk that Chapman could experience future off the field legal issues but that could be said of many players. My biggest concerns is a disruption of the clubhouse chemistry. But based on the bullpen issues and the elite production Chapman is capable of I think it is worth the risk.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

So those of you complaining about getting Chapman, does this mean you cant cheer or get excited when he comes in and closes out games. . Heaven forbid he helps get them to the "gulp" WS and we win it all...

Seriously, how can you not see Epstein just solidified his bullpen that as of last week most on here was calling it horrible ..
He did what most GMs do at deadline deals and went and got 2 very good LH relievers that going to be needed in playoff against nats or Giants who best hitters are LH...

Were you seriously content with just Montgomery and 40 YO Nathan to solidify the pen rest of year and playoffs?

Epstein got 2 solid LH relievers for a WS run and all he basically gave up was a career ML 1st basemen who was blocked and a 19 YO SS who we won't know for 2-3 yrs if he even becomes a steady major leaguer plus if you believe in Russell and Baez, they block him .

So.. great move by Epstein. . Finally good to see an owner and GM with balls and go for it in a year they legitimately have a shot

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How much does this move increase their chances for a WS? The Cubs are 55-1 when leading going into the 9th and still very good with a lead going into the 8th. The real costly need on this team is starting pitching. Only Jon Lester and Kyle Hendricks are under contract for 2018. Theo has repeatedly preached, and I couldn't possibly agree more, that the playoffs are a crapshoot and you can't build a team to win in one year, you have a team that will make multiple playoff appearances to ensure a WS victory. I saw a report that with this trade the Cubs now have a 1.3% better chance at winning the World Series. If they had had made a bigger deal, possibly having to include Schwarber, for Archer, Gray or the like I'd feel much better because they increased the chances in 2017 and 2018 as well. I see this year's NL as fairly evenly matched, the Cubs likely have the most talent but Washington and SF are awfully good. Even St. Louis and Miami, who I believe will be the WC teams are good. So for a 1.3% chance, in one year, the Cubs took on a bad guy and weakened the prospect arsenal that will have to use to get a starting pitcher in the next 18 months or so. All that said of course I'll be cheering if Chapman strikes out the last batter in the WS, but the fact will remain that I don't like this trade, but hell maybe I won't care then.

 

[Mr. Cub]

What I learned: We pretty much gave them Castro for free. Well, we did get a couple months of shit from Warren....

 

[GSH_34]

Man who really cares about the guy's personal life? I don't give a rats ass if he beat his GF. He wouldn't be the first and won't be the last. None of us know whether or not he's an asshole to be around. My suspicion is he's not. He can't even speak English for pete's sake.

You don't give a rats ass if he beats his girlfriend? That's pretty fucked up.

I have a threshold with athletes and their off field stuff. I'm not about to point my moral compass at them because I have no idea what that lifestyle is like.

But when it comes to domestic violence, rape, sexual assault, battery... I draw the line there. No amount of talent justifies that behavior.

I think people are way too involved in other's personal lives now and like to act as their moral authority, especially with all the social media, but there is absolutely no excuse for beating a woman (unless it's self defense) or being a piece of shit. None.

Edit: Which you're right, we have no idea what type of person Chapman is. That's on Hoysticketts to evaluate.
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[FirstTimer]

What I learned: We pretty much gave them Castro for free. Well, we did get a couple months of shit from Warren....

Or in the LONG run the trade was this:

Cubs get:
Aroldis Chapman

Yankees Get:
Starlin Castro
Gleybar Torres
Adam Warren
Bill McKinney
Rashad Crawford

 

[GSH_34]

Thed Hoystein's job requirement is to bring a World Series to Chicago. They are not the moral police. Our bullpen sucks and Chapman helps immensely. We finally have a guy with nasty, ridiculous stuff who can shut down any hitter in the game.

Let's say the Nationals or Giants acquired Chapman and we played them in the playoffs. Down by one in the 9th inning with Chapman up -- how do you like our chances?

Charges against Chapman were dropped. He served his suspension. Hoysticketts did their due diligence.

Did Chapman abuse his girlfriend? We don't know. Did he shoot his gun multiple times in the garage? Yes.

The Cubs operated within the parameters of the law and MLB's rules. Are they bending their morals/culture a bit with Chapman? Possibly, but you're right in that Hoysticketts aren't the moral police.

They aren't the justice system. They aren't the police. Their job is to win a World Series and Chapman helps them do that.

Is there a lot of gray area here? Yep, but that's for fans and media to discuss. Feel how you want about it, I don't think there's a wrong answer.

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[GSH_34]

Which she admitted. She said "choke" and later clarified that he didn't impede her from breathing. Sounds like she was uber pissed that he was talking to another female and he was holding her at arms length around the shoulders/neck. Not saying it's right...but god damn, at what point to people start reading police reports for themselves instead of going to Julie DiCaro or Dan Bernstein for a hot-take gospel sermon?

**** Julie DiCaro. Talk about a social justice warrior who is always on her soap box.

Still remember her reporting and takes on Kane's rape allegation. She aligned herself with the accuser and was completely bias in her reporting. Fucking garbage.

Then you on that she's horrible at her job. I don't understand how she is still employed and how they allow her to have a show on the weekends.

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