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He's just good enough to drive you crazy.
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The Cubs may be willing to go that high because there's shit next free agent class. As it may be an overpay, the Cubs may think they have to do it.
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i seem to agree with alot of people on here... he would be a nice add but not wanting to overpay... how much is overpaying for him exactly?
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In my estimation, anything over 4 years at 48 million (12 million annual.)
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Oh, but what's a few extra million when you're a bazillionaire? 
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Are we talking about Gavin Floyd now? Cubs take Floyd with a three year 32 million extension for a prospect.
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Wow we're going to be atrocious next year. Possibly worse than last year. We might lose 105 games.
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That's exactly what it is. "Hey! I've heard of that guy!"
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Might be a done deal given Garza's twitter exchange with a fan
Matt garza @Gdeuceswild
Wonder what number Jackson is gonna wear??? #wondering
Jeremy @jcros326
@Gdeuceswild don't Jinx it like you did with Sanchez.
Matt garza @Gdeuceswild
@jcros326 I know something you don't know
Matt garza @Gdeuceswild
Wonder what number Jackson is gonna wear??? #wondering
Jeremy @jcros326
@Gdeuceswild don't Jinx it like you did with Sanchez.
Matt garza @Gdeuceswild
@jcros326 I know something you don't know
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The more I've read into the deal, I'm coming to accept it's not a terrible deal for Chicago. Most of us will agree the Cubs really never had a shot to land Sanchez, as he and his agent just played the Cubs FO in order to squeeze some extra cash out of Detroit. Digging deeper, there are a few things to consider --
**St. Louis didn't qualify an offer to Jackson, meaning the Cubs aren't having to surrender a draft pick to sign him. For a rebuilding team, that's surely a positive.
**If the deal is indeed for four years and $52MM, then we'd all agree that's market value, correct? It's not like we overpaid for him. Worst case scenario, he's a No. 5 pitcher. Best case senario, he continues these small improvements with his control and locks in as a No. 3 behind Garza and Samardzija.
**I look at what he's done since his season in Detroit as what we'll get in Chicago -- he's going to give you somewhere between 175 and 200 innings. He's going to walk guys, he's going to make your defense work, but occasionally, he'll flash some dominant stuff. The guy has postseason experience now (albeit a generally poor showing on his part) which is something that's valuable for a young team.
**If you throw in the Carlos Villanueva signing (two-years, $10MM) and Scott Baker signing (one-year, $5.5MM), the starting rotation will almost certainly improve. As others have mentioned, the more important thing for a rebuilding squad is that these are all reasonable deals which could be moved in the future for assets.
In the end, sure, I would've loved to had a much better signing, but let's be frank -- no signing this offseason would've moved this team into contention. We could've signed Greinke and Hamilton and still would've probably won 75 games. The deal doesn't murder the payroll, and we still have plenty of room to add free agents and draft picks.
Positive thoughts!!!!! POSITIVE!!
**St. Louis didn't qualify an offer to Jackson, meaning the Cubs aren't having to surrender a draft pick to sign him. For a rebuilding team, that's surely a positive.
**If the deal is indeed for four years and $52MM, then we'd all agree that's market value, correct? It's not like we overpaid for him. Worst case scenario, he's a No. 5 pitcher. Best case senario, he continues these small improvements with his control and locks in as a No. 3 behind Garza and Samardzija.
**I look at what he's done since his season in Detroit as what we'll get in Chicago -- he's going to give you somewhere between 175 and 200 innings. He's going to walk guys, he's going to make your defense work, but occasionally, he'll flash some dominant stuff. The guy has postseason experience now (albeit a generally poor showing on his part) which is something that's valuable for a young team.
**If you throw in the Carlos Villanueva signing (two-years, $10MM) and Scott Baker signing (one-year, $5.5MM), the starting rotation will almost certainly improve. As others have mentioned, the more important thing for a rebuilding squad is that these are all reasonable deals which could be moved in the future for assets.
In the end, sure, I would've loved to had a much better signing, but let's be frank -- no signing this offseason would've moved this team into contention. We could've signed Greinke and Hamilton and still would've probably won 75 games. The deal doesn't murder the payroll, and we still have plenty of room to add free agents and draft picks.
Positive thoughts!!!!! POSITIVE!!
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He went to WSN after STL, and WSN did not, in fact, extend the qualifying offer, so JosMin is correct
Resounding MEH! :woot:
Resounding MEH! :woot:
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Yeah the bottom line is the rotation is improved.
Improved enough to where the season will still be over in May yet there will still be a team or two worse so the Cubs won't get the #1 draft pick.
OK that was negative. Positive thoughts positive thoughts!
Improved enough to where the season will still be over in May yet there will still be a team or two worse so the Cubs won't get the #1 draft pick.
OK that was negative. Positive thoughts positive thoughts!
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**** :fist:
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DAMNIT I FORGOT ABOUT THAT! WE NEED THOSE!
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Shhhh.... we'll still have a top 5 pick
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I don't think we're looking at any major Bryce Harper ish talent for upcoming drafts..
I'm fine with top 5.. pref top 3
I'm fine with top 5.. pref top 3
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100% disagree. its market value due to the thin FA class. He is nowhere near worth the 4/52. He isnt good. you do NOT pay 13 million a year for a number 5 starter. Its about young pitching and pitchers under team control. There is zero to be positive.
As for Xfactors comments....he was a worse pitcher in the NL before he came to the AL and the sox.
Also note that he has bounced around and is basically a misfit, a right handed liriano. anyone who thinks he is a number 3 or better on a good team is off their rocker.
also comments about "oh the team is showing they will spend" is theo doing what he does, business....these comments from fans are what theo wants the fans to believe. this is a small investment to gain profit on a larger scale for ticket and merch revenue.
Some of you guys are right on with your thoughts on this and I respect the ones who are honest with their opinions and arent the typical cubs sheep. rubio, shawnometer and a little bit of rice know the deal...oh and xfactor and waldo to an extent.
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He's a number 3 on our team right now...
Yeah we're not a good team.
Yeah we're not a good team.