Cubs Sign Edwin Jackson

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He's a number 3 on our team right now...

Yeah we're not a good team.

Wait that can't be right, I think Travis...well Feldman can...Uhhh...Villanueva can be better maybe kinda.

Shit he is the 3.

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100% disagree. its market value due to the thin FA class. He is nowhere near worth the 4/52. He isnt good. you do NOT pay 13 million a year for a number 5 starter. Its about young pitching and pitchers under team control. There is zero to be positive.
Since clearly I am a sheep I have to ask is Edwin Jackson better than what the Cubs currently have?
As for Xfactors comments....he was a worse pitcher in the NL before he came to the AL and the sox.

Also note that he has bounced around and is basically a misfit, a right handed liriano. anyone who thinks he is a number 3 or better on a good team is off their rocker.
When has anyone referred to him as a 3 on a good team?
also comments about "oh the team is showing they will spend" is theo doing what he does, business....these comments from fans are what theo wants the fans to believe. this is a small investment to gain profit on a larger scale for ticket and merch revenue.
Again we had never seen this from this FO before and that is significant however you want to frame the discussion. If the FO primary concern was ticket sales than the firesale at the deadline wouldn't have taken place. Not going to say that putting a mildly competitive team to increase ticket sales isn't ignored, but the idea that this move was done solely to accomplish that goal is off base.

Some of you guys are right on with your thoughts on this and I respect the ones who are honest with their opinions and arent the typical cubs sheep. rubio, shawnometer and a little bit of rice know the deal...oh and xfactor and waldo to an extent.

Bah...
 

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That's "BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA".

You poor excuse for a sheep you.

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Bah humbug. :cubstroll2:

Seriously I understand the fear of overpaying here, but it is significant that this FO is willing to overpay to fill an obvious need that cannot be done from internal options. It isn't likely they are going to buy their way out of this mess, but the idea that they are only going to invest in short term, flippable assets has now been shown to be false.
 

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I'm totally underwhelmed but I don't think this will suck :lol: If that makes any sense.

Mooney says it's the 4/$52MM deal as rumored.
 

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I'm totally underwhelmed but I don't think this will suck :lol: If that makes any sense.

Mooney says it's the 4/$52MM deal as rumored.

This is the correct attitude. EJax isn't an amazing pitcher, but he is an upgrade over what the Cubs have. They overpaid, but I think the amount of which they overpaid is being overstated because people still haven't figured out that the price of everything has gone up in the new marketplace.
 
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Are we sure? This is actually a real signing?
 

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100% disagree. its market value due to the thin FA class. He is nowhere near worth the 4/52. He isnt good. you do NOT pay 13 million a year for a number 5 starter. Its about young pitching and pitchers under team control. There is zero to be positive.

Really? Soooo... Paying Anibal Sanchez $30 million more with an extra season would've been a better value? They both fill the same role -- a #3 starter who walks too many guys, and will never transform into a shutdown starter. He is what he is -- a guy who'll give you innings, throw erratically, occasionally dominate and make his start every fifth day. Unfortunately, if you want to pay for a starter who's proven he can stay healthy and flash some quality, it's going to cost you $10 million or more per season. Is the yearly salary a bit high for my taste? Sure it is. Would I have rather had Sanchez? I guess... but it all goes back to this -- would either guy put the team over the top? No. He's a fixture in the rotation now. The guy had been pitching on one-year deals mainly because he kept getting dealt to teams as a stopgap.


As for Xfactors comments....he was a worse pitcher in the NL before he came to the AL and the sox.

That necessarily isn't a bad thing. Hasn't the AL been the consensus 'better league' for the past 15 years? Wouldn't that suggest that he fared better against superior competition, based on this logic?

Also note that he has bounced around and is basically a misfit, a right handed liriano. anyone who thinks he is a number 3 or better on a good team is off their rocker.

None of us consider the Cubs a good team. He'll be our de-facto #3 starter, as we're one of the five worst teams in baseball. Still, I could think of worse options. You know, like anyone we had last season.

also comments about "oh the team is showing they will spend" is theo doing what he does, business....these comments from fans are what theo wants the fans to believe. this is a small investment to gain profit on a larger scale for ticket and merch revenue.

100% false. The Cubs have a guy who's proven he can eat innings on a contract that's respectable, all things considered. It's not the ridiculously immovable contract Zambrano had. Nor did we give a guy in his mid-30s a long-term deal. What this move shows, as well as subsequent moves, is that the Cubs are adding players to their roster to fill out glaring weaknesses without hamstringing to make larger, more impactful moves in the future, as their prospects mature and gain experience. The number one goal coming into this new management was to create a sustainable roster. Payroll is going to be well south of $100 million this year. They shown in the past that they're willing to spend money. In due time, that may happen. As of now, I'm perfectly content with filling out the roster and acquring assets. And let's be serious, do you think adding Edwin Jackson is going push people through the gates? Come on, man.....
 

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Payroll is going to be well south of $100 million this year. They shown in the past that they're willing to spend money. In due time, that may happen. As of now, I'm perfectly content with filling out the roster and acquring assets. And let's be serious, do you think adding Edwin Jackson is going push people through the gates? Come on, man.....
Going by Baseball-Reference's numbers and estimates for arby the Cubs are at 98 million with 12 to EJax and 5 to Villanueva. Granted the deals could be backloaded since I don't know the yearly breakdown for either.
 

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Going by Baseball-Reference's numbers and estimates for arby the Cubs are at 98 million with 12 to EJax and 5 to Villanueva. Granted the deals could be backloaded since I don't know the yearly breakdown for either.

It surprised me how many teams are willing to go over $100 million now for a team payroll.
 

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None of us consider the Cubs a good team. He'll be our de-facto #3 starter, as we're one of the five worst teams in baseball. Still, I could think of worse options. You know, like anyone we had last season.



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It surprised me how many teams are willing to go over $100 million now for a team payroll.

With TV and gate revenues these days those larger payrolls are more feasible and sustainable.
 

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With TV and gate revenues these days those larger payrolls are more feasible and sustainable.

True, I think the fallacy of a 'small-market team' will soon disappear in baseball. And for all your negative Nancys -- think of it this way: we're paying Jackson and Villanueva what we gave Zambrano. Again: POSITIVE THINKING!!!!!
 

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