Cubs Spring Training Discussion Thread

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Why does ut seem like we get the worse if the 2 line ups to watch in televised games. .

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2014 OPS S/T:

Rizzo: 1.202
Ruggiano: 1.090
Baez: .906
Valbuena: .892
Baker: .882
Schierholtz: .819
McDonald: .807
Roberts: .804
Olt: .793
Barney: .792
Kalish: .740
Jackson: .733
Murphy: .729
Bonifacio: .724
Castillo: .611
Kottaras: .607
Villanueva: .593
Coghlan: .490
Valika: .448
Vitters: .436
Lake: .310
Sweeney: .188
 

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2014 OPS S/T:

Rizzo: 1.202
Ruggiano: 1.090
Baez: .906
Valbuena: .892
Baker: .882
Schierholtz: .819
McDonald: .807
Roberts: .804
Olt: .793
Barney: .792
Kalish: .740
Jackson: .733
Murphy: .729
Bonifacio: .724
Castillo: .611
Kottaras: .607
Villanueva: .593
Coghlan: .490
Valika: .448
Vitters: .436
Lake: .310
Sweeney: .188
So an adjustment of -.200 since it's ST and AZ? good start to Rizzo it appears.
 

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It matters if they are having quaitly AB's or not in the spring. But anyone below a .400 OPS shouldn't win a MLB job IMO.

Regardless Rizzo seems to be having quality AB's. That is promising.
 

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For the fourth straight season, the Chicago Cubs finished fifth in the NL Central in 2013. They improved by five games, going 66-96, but it still marked the worst two-year stretch in franchise history, and manager Dale Sveum was shown the door.

Part of Sveum's problem was the regression of youngsters Starlin Castro and Anthony Rizzo. New manager Rick Renteria is known for his development and communication skills with young players. He'll be tasked with bringing along those two players and others as the Cubs look to move the rebuilding project toward a turnaround. The target isn't this season, though, so North Siders would be advised to brace themselves for another poor season.

Probable lineup

1. Starlin Castro, SS
2. Luis Valbuena, 3B
3. Anthony Rizzo, 1B
4. Nate Schierholtz, RF
5. Junior Lake, LF
6. Ryan Sweeney, CF
7. Welington Castillo, C
8. Darwin Barney, 2B

Bench - C George Kottaras, IF Donnie Murphy, IF/OF Emilio Bonifacio, OF Justin Ruggiano, OF Ryan Kalish

As to be expected with a team in the midst of a massive rebuild, there are lots of spare parts at play here, so much of this is fluid. Expect Ruggiano to get lots of looks as a platoon-mate for Schierholtz and/or Sweeney at times. Mike Olt could figure prominently at third -- maybe even take the everyday starter job at some point. Bonifacio could see time in several different spots, too. Chris Coghlan, Casper Wells and some highly-touted prospects (we'll get to them) may also be in the mix at some point.

Probable rotation

1. RHP Jeff Samardzija
2. LHP Travis Wood
3. RHP Edwin Jackson
4. RHP Jason Hammel
5. RHP Carlos Villanueva

Once Jake Arrieta is recovered from his spring injury, the likelihood is that Villanueva -- an outstanding swing-man -- goes back to the bullpen. James McDonald, Chris Rusin and Tsuyoshi Wada are others who will likely get starts at some point this season. Keep an eye on youngster Kyle Hendricks, too, who will start at Triple-A.

Probable bullpen

Closer - RHP Jose Veras
Setup men - RHP Pedro Strop, LHP James Russell
Middle men - LHP Wesley Wright, RHP Blake Parker, RHP Alberto Cabrera
Long man - RHP Hector Rondon

The bullpen ranked 13th of 15 NL teams in ERA last season and blew 26 saves, a figure that trailed only the Diamondbacks. Kevin Gregg, Carlos Marmol and others who are departed were responsible for the majority of those, though. Strop was very good once acquired (along with Arrieta) for Scott Feldman, Russell has shown that he can be very good and Wright can have good success against lefties.

When Veras closed for the Astros last season, prior to a trade to Detroit, he converted 19 of 22 chances with a 2.93 ERA, 1.00 WHIP and 44 strikeouts in 43 innings. He has a shot to solidify the back-end here of what could be a pleasantly surprising 'pen.

Under-the-radar offseason transaction

Jason Hammel is the Cubs' attempt at another Scott Feldman signing. Feldman was signed on a one-year, cheap deal and after a good first half netted Arrieta and Strop in a trade. Hammel, 31, was 8-6 with a 3.43 ERA (123 ERA+) and 1.24 WHIP for a playoff team in 2012. He was hampered by knee injuries and then last season had a down year as elbow issues plagued him. He was 7-8 with a 4.97 ERA (85 ERA+) and 1.46 WHIP in 139 1/3 innings.

What if the 6-foot-6 right-hander begins this season as he did 2012? He was 8-2 with a 2.61 ERA and 87 strikeouts in 89 2/3 innings through 14 starts for the Orioles back then. That could mean a package similar to the Feldman move for the Cubs in a late June or early July trade. It's worth the $6 million to find out.

Fantasy impact prospect: Mike Olt

"According to both Baseball America and MLB.com, Olt was a top 25 prospect heading into last season (and top 50 the year before). But he finished the 2013 season with a .201 batting average (in Double- and Triple-A), hitting just 15 home runs over 373 at-bats. This was after a 2012 in which Olt hit .288 with 28 home runs and a .977 OPS in Double-A. Most of Olt's problems last year can be traced back to a concussion he suffered in the Dominican Winter League before the season -- he experienced sustained vision problems, which are reportedly corrected now. Olt isn't expected to be named the starting third baseman out of spring training (Luis Valbuena should see the most playing time initially), but if he can show the Cubs' front office the vision issues are behind him and get back to his 2012 self, Olt should be up with Chicago by mid-June." - Nando Di Fino [Full Cubs team fantasy preview]

Biggest strength

The young position players, many of whom won't even be Chicago Cubs to begin the season. Rizzo and Castro are part of the planned core for the future turnaround and each should bounce-back to different degrees this year (Rizzo is much more likely to bounce back for a variety of reasons). Castillo likely fits the bill here. Lake and Olt might. And then there are highly-touted prospects like Javier Baez and Kris Bryant who could be stars on down to possible above-average (or more, in some cases) players like Albert Almora, Jorge Soler, Arismendy Alcantara, Christian Villanueva, Dan Vogelbach and more. Some prospects flop, of course, but the Cubs have enough premium talent among position players to foresee a pretty damn good lineup coming soon.

Biggest weakness

Big-league ready talent. At least half the opening day lineup will be comprised of players who should be platoon players, bench players or even not on the roster of some of the better teams in the majors. The back-end of the rotation right now is scraps while Samardzija, Wood and Jackson would be a nice 3-4-5 for a contender -- or maybe a 2-3-4. Instead they are 1-2-3. The bullpen might not be bad, but it lacks a high upside. In all, it's a team that simply isn't very talented ... yet.

Outlook

It's much easier said than done, but Cubs fans have to continue to trust the process. In a few years, the Theo Epstein/Jed Hoyer administration has built the Cubs' farm system from mediocre into one of the very best in baseball. Some of the future core has already arrived, some will arrive this year (I fully expect to see Baez sometime in late June and Alcantara may be ready soon as well) and some will arrive next season.

As for 2014, the Cubs are headed for another fifth place finish in the NL Central -- now last place, since the Astros flipped to the AL -- and will again trade off some veteran pieces in July. Might Samardzija be one of them? That'll be an interesting storyline. The Cubs continue to say all the right things about him, but the fact is he's 29, not 24 or 25. By the time he hits free agency, he'll be entering his 31-year-old season. Is it really that paramount to the organization's future success to extend him?

In and of itself, that's a topic for another day. In this space, we're talking about the 2014 Cubs' on-field performance. Expect fewer than 75 wins, but more than last year's 66. More important than that total, however, is the progress of Rizzo, Castro, Castillo, Lake, Olt, (probably) Baez and (maybe) Alcantara under first-year tutor Renteria. If he does well with this group, it bodes well for success with the Almora/Soler group.

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In a few years, the Theo Epstein/Jed Hoyer administration has built the Cubs' farm system from mediocre into one of the very best in baseball.

In a few years, the Theo Epstein/Jed Hoyer administration has built the Cubs' major league team from mediocre into one of the very worst in baseball.
 

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MESA, Ariz. -- Former first-round picks Josh Vitters and Brett Jackson along with flame-thrower Arodys Vizcaino were among eight cuts from big league camp on Tuesday, Chicago Cubs manager Rick Renteria announced.

Vizcaino is the most intriguing of the names to be cut. There was some speculation he could make the team as a reliever after missing the last two seasons because of arm problems. He has been throwing in the mid to upper 90s throughout camp, but the Cubs are going to be cautious, as they've said all along.

"We're still following the plan," Renteria said. "We want him to get his innings in, in a controlled environment and kind of ease him back in. He's been out for two years, we want to get him in more game situations and things of that nature and make sure he can handle it all."

Vizcaino could be an early to midseason call-up after throwing three scoreless innings this spring. It might be a tougher path back to the majors for Vitters and Jackson. Vitters was the No. 3 overall pick in the 2007 draft, but he has struggled to make it and stay in the big leagues. Jackson has had similar problems but showed some signs of finding his swing again during camp, winning a game last Saturday over the Royals with five RBIs.

"I was impressed," Renteria said of Jackson. "Did some damage. I don't worry too much about his strikeouts because there is a lot of damage that comes with his stick."

Jackson struck out 10 times in 20 at-bats this spring. Vitters went down swinging or looking in 11 of 17 at-bats.

"His [Vitters] approaches were pretty good, I think the results may not have been what you wanted," Renteria said.

Being optioned to Triple-A Iowa along with Vitters, Jackson and Vizcaino are Zac Rosscup and Christian Villanueva.
Sent to minor league camp were Mitch Maier, Rafael Lopez and Armando Rivero.

With the cuts, the Cubs' roster is down to 45.
 

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Spring OBA 20 + AB
Rizzo .452
Kalish .433
McDonald .423
Ruggiano .423
Schierholtz .375
Roberts .346
Valbuena .346
Barney .344
Jackson .321
Villanueva .320
Baez .297
Murphy .286
Bonifacio .273
Olt .273
Coghlan .250
Valaika .207
Lake .167
Sweeney .111


Again I do not agree with that prediction S. I can't see justification of starting Lake and Sweeney based on production. They are not proven vets.
 

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Olt was supposed to start at 3B last night. He was pluged in at DH again. Now this is the only thing that will push him to Iowa. Get AB's in as DH there while on the mend. Based on performance Roberts deserves a IF gig at that point.


On the OF mix. That report is off. Schierholtz is not going into the season in a platoon. So this report is not well informed. Not to mention it is giving the worst 2 spring performers jobs outright.

I'm glad they put Kalish in as he has deserved a roster spot. One of the few things I agree with.

All I have to say is they need to start running out the every day line up soon and see if they can perform or not. I can't see lake starting over Ruggiano right now. Not with that production gap. Sweeney over Kalish either.
 

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Really glad to see Jackson break out of his funk from last year. The 30/30 projections may be long gone, but I'm still hoping he can make some contributions at the major league level sometime this year. Maybe this year's Lake? It certainly can't be as bad as his debut there.
 

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Renterea said regarding Jackson that he showed that he can still do some damage. But still struck out 1/2 of the time. That was the key problem that Jackson was showing before. But he is having better AB's. Which is progress.

One thing that I have noticed this year is a better attitude by the players vs what was happening last year. Dale was too hands on and caused more problems than solved. Rick gives support and direction and let's his coaches deal with the coaching.
 

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I'm not holding out much hope for Jackson. Even when he was running his best in 2010 he still struck out at 20.2% clip at A+. An optimistic projection would put him in the 20-25% in the majors. Only about half of the 45 players who were regulars and had 20%+ K rate managed above 3 WAR with a vast majority of them being your Chris Davis type sluggers. Brett Gardner, and Jason Kipnis are the only ones that project similarly in walk/k rate to him based on 20-25% k rate. Alejandro De Aza might be a realistic hope for what he could be if he has turned it around. If he's that I think we should be pretty happy. Anything more would be gravy.
 

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It seems that they are molding him into a RF right now. That is where he has been playing.

This is a good thing. He walks at a 10% clip. If he can get his 50% strike out rate down to 20% it goes far. Now projecting as a corner OF he would have to develop more into a power hitter this year and be more selective on the pitches he swings at. Rather have him strike out looking at a pitchers strike vs hitting that pitch into a x2 play as was intended.

Being more selective I feel should help him going forward. A power hitting LH bat that gives plus D and walks at a 10% clip is valuable in the league. He just needs to refine his hitting.

He has nothing to lose at this point
 

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This is Muskat projected roster. I usually dismiss almost anything she writes, but this seems about right.

It’s March 18, and there’s still plenty of things that can happen in the final games but if I had to pick a 25-man Opening Day roster, here’s my guess for 24. I haven’t settled on the 25th man yet. Why Alberto Cabrera over Hector Rondon? Because Cabrera is out of options and has looked good this spring. You can discuss this amongst yourselves:

Rotation:
Samardzija
Wood
Jackson
Hammel
Rusin

Bullpen:
Veras
Russell
Wright
Strop
Parker
Cabrera
Villanueva

Position players:
Rizzo
Barney
Castro
Valbuena
Murphy
Bonifacio
Schierholtz
Lake
Sweeney
Ruggiano
Kottaras
Castillo
Plus 25th man

I dont know how Olt doesnt make the team though. He has no where to play in AAA. The only problem I see is they are saying he is having dead arm issues
 

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That 25th man is Olt with Valbuena going to bench..
Renteria already said that if Olt can make his throws he starting at 3B

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