Cubs vs. O's IST

[chibears55]

I really don't like Baez in the 2 hole. I also don't really get the concept of protecting him with Rizzo because shouldn't you want him to be pitched around? Obviously he needs to learn some patience with regard to how aggressive he is. I think I'd prefer something like Cog, Alcantara, Rizzo, Baez, Castro. Rizzo is obviously an on base machine. Baez at this point is mostly homers and nothing else. So, if they don't pitch to him then you're facing Castro with someone on but if they do pitch to Baez you're talking about the chance at having him bat with people on.

Maybe it's as simple as seeing more at bats but I'm not sure it's enough to make that much of a difference.

I think that all it is really now, is putting him in a position to get the most AB for him this year.

as far as being protected by Rizzo, I don't get why youd want Baez to be pitched around.. wouldn't youd rather see him hitting ?

 

[2323]

What a stupid comment!

I know it counts. I am not suggesting someone should hand him the ERA title.

I am simply pointing out how consistently good he has been. His ERA without ONE game is under 2.00.

I am not saying NOBODY can pitch a good game at Coors. I am saying he has had ONE bad game, and the only ONE he had, happened to be at the one park far and away more friendly to hitters than any other.

Of COURSE it counts. And IF he or any other pitcher pitches for the Rockies, they have to pitch there. And if they had an ERA of 3.5 for they year, I would say they did well.

The response wasn't driven by the idea that you should give him an era title. It was more centered on your excuse making and suggestion that it somehow doesnt/shouldn't count because it's Coors Field.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Grimm is looking dirty!

 

[Parade_Rain]

I really don't like Baez in the 2 hole. I also don't really get the concept of protecting him with Rizzo because shouldn't you want him to be pitched around? Obviously he needs to learn some patience with regard to how aggressive he is. I think I'd prefer something like Cog, Alcantara, Rizzo, Baez, Castro. Rizzo is obviously an on base machine. Baez at this point is mostly homers and nothing else. So, if they don't pitch to him then you're facing Castro with someone on but if they do pitch to Baez you're talking about the chance at having him bat with people on.

Maybe it's as simple as seeing more at bats but I'm not sure it's enough to make that much of a difference.

Castro belongs in the 2 hole. Baez swings and misses too much. He is a 4 or a 5 when the order has more talent.

 

[SilenceS]

Well, Baez power is sure unreal. Thats Stanton power.

 

[beckdawg]

as far as being protected by Rizzo, I don't get why youd want Baez to be pitched around.. wouldn't youd rather see him hitting ?

I don't know if you read the fangraphs article I posted but he's already getting pitched around because pitchers are scared of his power to the point where he's near the league high in that regard over an admittedly small sample but still.... Given that, to be productive player he's going to have to learn how to deal with that. I imagine he's never going to be someone a pitcher challenges just because if you happen to leave something in a some what bad position he has the ability to take pitches he's some what fooled on and still drive them out.

I mean perhaps it's not hurting him to be "protected" by Rizzo but I don't really see any benefit there especially since they are pitching around him anyways. Maybe it doesn't matter because the season now is just a development process rather than competition but it doesn't seem like the #2 hole is Baez's landing place. One would think he #4 and probably the #5 hole given his poor on base thus far(and frankly not amazing in the minors topping out at .346 above A ball) would be where he lands.

 

[chibears55]

I don't know if you read the fangraphs article I posted but he's already getting pitched around because pitchers are scared of his power to the point where he's near the league high in that regard over an admittedly small sample but still.... Given that, to be productive player he's going to have to learn how to deal with that. I imagine he's never going to be someone a pitcher challenges just because if you happen to leave something in a some what bad position he has the ability to take pitches he's some what fooled on and still drive them out.

I mean perhaps it's not hurting him to be "protected" by Rizzo but I don't really see any benefit there especially since they are pitching around him anyways. Maybe it doesn't matter because the season now is just a development process rather than competition but it doesn't seem like the #2 hole is Baez's landing place. One would think he #4 and probably the #5 hole given his poor on base thus far(and frankly not amazing in the minors topping out at .346 above A ball) would be where he lands.

Ok... just wondering though, is he being pitched around or is it more pitchers arent throwing him strikes because he been chasing the bad pitches ? Fastballs up in zone and breaking balls down and away...


As far as where he best suited in the order...
Its only going to get tougher to decide next year with the addition of Bryant and Soler who may be best suited for middle of the order...

I guess yes they could go with..

2. CASTRO
3. RIZZO
4. BRYANT
5. BAEZ
6. SOLER

Be interesting then to see what type of hitter they get to play LF if they go out and get one over doing a Coughlin/Ruggiano platoon.

 

[chibears55]

Cubs 7 - 5 against teams in AL East

 

[CSF77]

I guess yes they could go with..

2. CASTRO
3. RIZZO
4. BRYANT
5. BAEZ
6. SOLER

Be interesting then to see what type of hitter they get to play LF if they go out and get one over doing a Coughlin/Ruggiano platoon.

If you go by OBA it would be
2: Soler
3: Rizzo
4: Bryant
5: Baez
6: Castro

I believe they need to split up the RH hitters more though. Bryant 3rd, Rizzo 4th is a quick fix.

Regardless you could find many set ups and the production shouldn't change much.

 

[beckdawg]

Ok... just wondering though, is he being pitched around or is it more pitchers arent throwing him strikes because he been chasing the bad pitches ? Fastballs up in zone and breaking balls down and away...


As far as where he best suited in the order...
Its only going to get tougher to decide next year with the addition of Bryant and Soler who may be best suited for middle of the order...

I guess yes they could go with..

2. CASTRO
3. RIZZO
4. BRYANT
5. BAEZ
6. SOLER

Be interesting then to see what type of hitter they get to play LF if they go out and get one over doing a Coughlin/Ruggiano platoon.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-pitchers-are-pitching-to-javier-baez/

There's the article. I'll let you read it and draw your on conclusions.

 

[chibears55]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/how-pitchers-are-pitching-to-javier-baez/

There's the article. I'll let you read it and draw your on conclusions.

You can probably take it both ways which im sure it is...

Obviously pitchers dont want to throw too many in the zone, and until he learns to lay off the high fastballs and as best as he can those breaking pitches away , if Im a pitcher im going to continue pitching him that way til he adjusts and stops getting himself out by chasing those pitches...


damn if can just eliminate chasing most of those high fastballs, he gonna do alot of damage

 

[Parade_Rain]

If you go by OBA it would be
2: Soler
3: Rizzo
4: Bryant
5: Baez
6: Castro

I believe they need to split up the RH hitters more though. Bryant 3rd, Rizzo 4th is a quick fix.

Regardless you could find many set ups and the production shouldn't change much.

Yep. If Soler goes in the 2 that makes Castro the 6.

 

[Boobaby1]

If you go by OBA it would be
2: Soler
3: Rizzo
4: Bryant
5: Baez
6: Castro

I believe they need to split up the RH hitters more though. Bryant 3rd, Rizzo 4th is a quick fix.

Regardless you could find many set ups and the production shouldn't change much.

Put Melky Cabrera (assuming Alcantara stays) in there and you have a dangerous line-up with switch hitters, speed, and power. :buttrock:

 

[TL1961]

The response wasn't driven by the idea that you should give him an era title. It was more centered on your excuse making and suggestion that it somehow doesnt/shouldn't count because it's Coors Field.

Again, I was pointing out that not only is his ERA overall good, it is also not because he has been pretty good every time out. It's more that he has been terrific all but once,. And he was terrible once.

You simply can't respond to anything without trying to make it negative, and you can't respond to anyone without trying to make it an argument.

 

[DewsSox79]

Cubs 7 - 5 against teams in AL East

totally means a lot.


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[Parade_Rain]

Cubs 7 - 5 against teams in AL East

totally means a lot.


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Didn't your team just get swept by the Orioles?

 

[CSF77]

Didn't your team just get swept by the Orioles?

NL park gives the advantage to the NL team.

 

[dabynsky]

Why are fans of two teams not making the playoffs for the sixth consecutive season still having a pissing contest about who is better right fucking now. It is meaningless. Absolutely meaningless in determining anything which includes the most important of things at this point for any Chicago baseball team over the age of 14 which is next year.

 

[chibears55]

NL park gives the advantage to the NL team.

How that ? Last I checked bases are all 90 ft apart and mound is 60'6 away.. OF distance are all close to the same.. ive seen quite a few AL teams go to NL parks and win and vice versa...

 

[chibears55]

totally means a lot.


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Take it to mean whatever you want...

Cubs are playing interleague games against teams in AL East , this is a thread talking about games played against one of those teams ( orioles )..
So, just posting a simple observation of how they fared against such teams from that division ( which some say is best in baseball ).
I just mentioned that their currently 7-5 against them all...