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Check thier career oba's
Check thier career oba's
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I checked. I didn't see a $15 million difference.
It isn't a question of whether Zobrist is a good player. It is a question of whether that is the best (or 2nd, 3rd or 4th best) place to spend our FA dollars.
I think we are more likely to have a 2nd baseman from the current roster put up decent numbers than we are to have a starting pitcher from the current roster become an ace to go along with Arrieta and Lester.
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Olney’s Latest: Price, Greinke, Carrasco, Shark, Cubs, Heyward
December 2nd, 2015 at 5:41pm CST • By Steve Adams
ESPN’s Buster Olney begins his latest Insider-only blog post by offering his take on David Price‘s deal with the Red Sox. Olney notes that while the blame for Boston’s failure to retain Jon Lester as its ace lies on owner John Henry and not former GM Ben Cherington, Henry deserves credit for recognizing the mistake and going to the measures necessary to bolster his rotation. Rival evaluators have wondered to Olney how Price will adapt to losing his velocity as he ages, but for the short-term, Price gives Boston exactly what it needed — an ace to front the rotation and shift names like Rick Porcello, Wade Miley, Eduardo Rodriguez and the injury-prone Clay Buchholz down the rotation.
Some more highlights from Olney’s column…
Price’s signing creates a perfect storm for Zack Greinke, who now stands alone as the top free agent starter on the market with a pair of division rivals — the Giants and Dodgers — bidding against one another to secure his services. One person close to the situation suggested to Olney that Greinke could land a five-year deal worth $165MM (an average annual value of $33MM), which meshes with a recent report from ESPN’s Jayson Stark that said Greinke could take a five-year deal if it meant a sizable increase over Price’s AAV.
The Indians have been listening to offers on their young starters, but the price tags for pitchers like Price and Greinke have underscored the value of controllable, young arms like Carlos Carrasco and Danny Salazar, leading to a perhaps exorbitant asking price. For instance, the Indians asked the Giants for a package that included both Brandon Belt and Joe Panik in exchange for Carrasco in recent talks, according to Olney. While some Giants fans may recoil at the notion, Olney writes that with pitchers such as J.A. Happ commanding $36MM over three years, Carrasco’s four-year, $22MM contract and two club options come with incredibly high value. Carrasco talks between the two sides are dead at this point, he adds.
The Cubs have been positioning themselves for a run at Jeff Samardzija since before Price made his final decision. The Giants are among the other clubs with interest in Samardzija, according to Olney, who wonders if the teams that missed out on both Price and (eventually) Greinke will then check in with Johnny Cueto as an alternative.
The Cardinals have at least spoken to Greinke, but there’s no indication that they’re prepared to compete with the Dodgers and Giants for his services, making it seem unlikely that they’ll emerge as a late dark-horse candidate in his market.
The Cubs weren’t comfortable with the notion of roughly $55MM per season for a pair of pitchers each season for the foreseeable future, referring to a potential combo of Price and Lester. Olney calls a swap of Jorge Soler and Braves right-hander Shelby Miller a potential plan B for Chicago, which would then free up the club to make a run at Jason Heyward.
December 2nd, 2015 at 5:41pm CST • By Steve Adams
ESPN’s Buster Olney begins his latest Insider-only blog post by offering his take on David Price‘s deal with the Red Sox. Olney notes that while the blame for Boston’s failure to retain Jon Lester as its ace lies on owner John Henry and not former GM Ben Cherington, Henry deserves credit for recognizing the mistake and going to the measures necessary to bolster his rotation. Rival evaluators have wondered to Olney how Price will adapt to losing his velocity as he ages, but for the short-term, Price gives Boston exactly what it needed — an ace to front the rotation and shift names like Rick Porcello, Wade Miley, Eduardo Rodriguez and the injury-prone Clay Buchholz down the rotation.
Some more highlights from Olney’s column…
Price’s signing creates a perfect storm for Zack Greinke, who now stands alone as the top free agent starter on the market with a pair of division rivals — the Giants and Dodgers — bidding against one another to secure his services. One person close to the situation suggested to Olney that Greinke could land a five-year deal worth $165MM (an average annual value of $33MM), which meshes with a recent report from ESPN’s Jayson Stark that said Greinke could take a five-year deal if it meant a sizable increase over Price’s AAV.
The Indians have been listening to offers on their young starters, but the price tags for pitchers like Price and Greinke have underscored the value of controllable, young arms like Carlos Carrasco and Danny Salazar, leading to a perhaps exorbitant asking price. For instance, the Indians asked the Giants for a package that included both Brandon Belt and Joe Panik in exchange for Carrasco in recent talks, according to Olney. While some Giants fans may recoil at the notion, Olney writes that with pitchers such as J.A. Happ commanding $36MM over three years, Carrasco’s four-year, $22MM contract and two club options come with incredibly high value. Carrasco talks between the two sides are dead at this point, he adds.
The Cubs have been positioning themselves for a run at Jeff Samardzija since before Price made his final decision. The Giants are among the other clubs with interest in Samardzija, according to Olney, who wonders if the teams that missed out on both Price and (eventually) Greinke will then check in with Johnny Cueto as an alternative.
The Cardinals have at least spoken to Greinke, but there’s no indication that they’re prepared to compete with the Dodgers and Giants for his services, making it seem unlikely that they’ll emerge as a late dark-horse candidate in his market.
The Cubs weren’t comfortable with the notion of roughly $55MM per season for a pair of pitchers each season for the foreseeable future, referring to a potential combo of Price and Lester. Olney calls a swap of Jorge Soler and Braves right-hander Shelby Miller a potential plan B for Chicago, which would then free up the club to make a run at Jason Heyward.
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Cards fans in 2015, after Cubs give Lester a 5 year deal: "Ha Ha, stupid Cubs just tied up $155 million in Lester, who is 30. $25.8 per year - waaaaayyyy too much for a guy that age."
Cards fans in 2016, after Cards offer Price $28 million per year for seven years: "At least they were aggressive and made a good offer. And they were smart enough to not offer "stupid money".
So they are happy not getting the guy they wanted, because anyone who ever outbids them is "stupid". Yet their own $28 mil was "smart".
Cards fans in 2016, after Cards offer Price $28 million per year for seven years: "At least they were aggressive and made a good offer. And they were smart enough to not offer "stupid money".
So they are happy not getting the guy they wanted, because anyone who ever outbids them is "stupid". Yet their own $28 mil was "smart".
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How about this? What if the Cubs trade Soler (or Baez), Vogelbach and Contreras (or either Torres or Almora) to the Athletics for Sonny Gray? Then, sign Jason Heyward?
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He puts the cubs in a far better position to win than Jason Hammel.
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I personally like Soler-Miller hook up. Signing Heyward. Then CF if Revere is tenured then why not
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Cubs have agreed to deals w Brothers & Richard. Wood, Grimm, Arrieta, Strop, Rondon & Coghlan tendered. Cook & Leathersich non-tendered
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If you trade any of them before you have signed Heyward, you had better sign Heyward or you are screwed. If you sign Heyward before the trade, then Soler loses value as everyone would know he is the odd man out.
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Adding Shelby Miller or Jeff Samardzija to the rotation doesn't get the Cubs to the next level. Nor does replacing Fowler with Heyward in the lineup. But Cubs fans don't seem to mind, so whatever.
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It doesn't? So if the Cubs add a strong number three in the rotation which they didn't have before, coupled with arguably one of the better RF'ers in the game, and they just fell a series short of making the WS, I guess I don't see what you are saying here.
Lets also not forget that the Cardinals minus Heyward and maybe Lackey will not be as good, nor will the Mets minus Cespedes and Murphy, and who knows where Greinke might go. If he goes to the Giants, then the Dodgers are weakened, and if he stays with the Dodgers, the Giants aren't as tough.
Lets also not forget that the Cubs started basically four rookies. There is a good chance that many of them have learned something from the playoffs and have gotten a year under their belt and they are probably working hard on their adjustments, so one would expect that they will improve in areas of need.
How much is yet to be determined.
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That would go for Jake as well. Not great, but...Zach is pitching in the NL, and pitching very well in a pitcher's park. I don't think it's that far fetched to say no worse than .250.
The fact is the Price bus has left the station. I think Zach would be the better addition. That said, it appears Zach is only dealing with the Giants and the Dodgers for more money than Price per year.
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Simple question. Why does everyone here forget about the Sophomore slump? Has that been shown to be a myth somewhere?
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Did you go through a sophomore slump during your 2nd year of delivering pizzas?
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His career average is .298. That means he's only been under .300 three times in his career. .250 isn't likely.
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I get ya. Last year sure does seem like an outlier for BABIP
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I see your smug smilieNot if they think he will play CF.
, but I do wonder if that actually would be an option.
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The Castro for Zobrist "trade" helps the Cubs in four ways
1. They get more flexibility (Zobrist is a guy who even at his age can play 1B/2B/LF)
2. They get a better hitter (Zobrist has a low OPS of .749 the past eight years; Castro has bested that three times in his career but only once the past three seasons)
3. They get a better lead-off guy (Zobrist is a high pitches/PA guy who doesn't strike out and gets on base)
4. The cost of acquiring Zobrist is simply about five-six million a year more than Castro and he clearly projects to be worth it.