David Price to the Red Sox

[Zvbxrpl]

Got it, so make our pitching better and our hitting worse, when lack of hitting is what cost us against the Mets. Understood, thanks sir.

Interesting......

You would think giving up an average 5+ runs a game against the mets in the NLCS would have blame fall solely on hitting.

If the plan is to score 10 runs a game, then yeah, blame the hitting.

Oh, wait. I forgot.

You're a dumbass.

Pitching wins championships, cupcake. Get a clue.

 

[JimJohnson]

Interesting......

You would think giving up an average 5+ runs a game against the mets in the NLCS would have blame fall solely on hitting.

If the plan is to score 10 runs a game, then yeah, blame the hitting.

Oh, wait. I forgot.

You're a dumbass.

Pitching wins championships, cupcake. Get a clue.

lol good luck with your plan of Miller and Shark.. that will really strike fear in the hearts of....














































NOBODY

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

At least we didn't pony up $217M for David Price. I'm sure our rotation would be looking awesome in a few years with Price/Lester making $60M. The plan is to make the playoffs 7 times in 10 years and hopefully push through one of the years.

Apparently some people think its better to make the playoffs 3 times in the next 5 years -- and then suck the following 5 years. I'm not a math major but 7 out of 10 is better odds than 3 out of 10, no?

 

[Parade_Rain]

For those that read

So which one needs to be held up and which one is the flame thrower?

 

[hyatt151]

Shelby Miller is not a TOR

I'm thinking Fernandez or Gray!

 

[TC in Mississippi]

At least we didn't pony up $217M for David Price. I'm sure our rotation would be looking awesome in a few years with Price/Lester making $60M. The plan is to make the playoffs 7 times in 10 years and hopefully push through one of the years.

Apparently some people think its better to make the playoffs 3 times in the next 5 years -- and then suck the following 5 years. I'm not a math major but 7 out of 10 is better odds than 3 out of 10, no?

I'm fine with some combination of Samardzija, Miller/Teheran/Carrasco/Salazar. Maybe not so much Ross but if it's Ross and Shields with the Padres picking up most of Shields' contract maybe even that works. Listen the Cubs had a pretty good regular season rotation last year, what they lacked was a #3 you'd be comfortable with in a playoff game. $217 million dollars to fill that hole would be like needing a reliable car and buying a Rolls Royce.

 

[hyatt151]

I'm fine with some combination of Samardzija, Miller/Teheran/Carrasco/Salazar. Maybe not so much Ross but if it's Ross and Shields with the Padres picking up most of Shields' contract maybe even that works. Listen the Cubs had a pretty good regular season rotation last year, what they lacked was a #3 you'd be comfortable with in a playoff game. $217 million dollars to fill that hole would be like needing a reliable car and buying a Rolls Royce.

Unless it's with the Bears, I'd prefer Samardzija find work elsewhere.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Unless it's with the Bears, I'd prefer Samardzija find work elsewhere.

He and Zimmermann are almost the same guy and everyone would have been thrilled with signing him. On top of that Zimmermann has had TJ suregery and has been experiencing a decline of velocity since mid 2014. Shark has pitched less innings and no surgery and has no velocity decline at this point. I don't get it. Again virtually the same guy.

 

[Boobaby1]

It boggles my mind why people are so eager to trade our top young stud hitters when hitting was what doomed us against the Mets. I don't understand the strategy.

It's because you have to give to get, and lets be honest here, the pitching was the biggest culprit in the end. That, and players that could not get on base.

Sure, Soler did well in the playoffs, but that is an area where you have a little bit of a cushion with Rizzo, Bryant, and Schwarber, who have more power, and get on base with more regularity, but it just didn't show up when it counted. It happens.

The Cubs don't need all studs. They need a good balance of players. That's why I would sacrifice Heyward for Soler right now if I could get a pitcher that is cost controlled through trade, and improve my defense in RF and cut down my strikeouts in that position by half.

Had Soler played a full year, he was on pace to strike out 188 times. Add that to Bryant, and maybe Baez too. That is a ton.

I am logically thinking that Baez will not fetch the return that Soler would in trade for a pitcher. Again. You have to give to get.

 

[brett05]

So which one needs to be held up and which one is the flame thrower?

Grienke is the one who will hold up and Price is the flame thrower

 

[Boobaby1]

I'm fine with some combination of Samardzija, Miller/Teheran/Carrasco/Salazar. Maybe not so much Ross but if it's Ross and Shields with the Padres picking up most of Shields' contract maybe even that works. Listen the Cubs had a pretty good regular season rotation last year, what they lacked was a #3 you'd be comfortable with in a playoff game. $217 million dollars to fill that hole would be like needing a reliable car and buying a Rolls Royce.

They lacked the number three, and depth in the rotation.

They were blessed to not have anything happen to the top two. Had that happened, they would have probably been screwed. They need to be able to tro a guy like Hendricks or something in the event of an injury.

That is why the Cardinals were able to maintain their toughness even after Wainright went down.

When you have Martinez, Wacha, Lackey, Lynn, Garcia, and Gonzales, it lessens the blow of a TOR going down.

The Cubs need to get to that point, and Edwards and Johnson don't appear to be ready. I think Edwards is suited for the bullpen, and then eventually star to stretch him out through the year.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

I hope Pierce Johnson is a stud. Will he be ready for the 2017 season? Is a late season call up in 2016 out of the question?

 

[CSF77]

Was thinking trading Solerfor Miller. Then sign Zobrist for 2B. Word he is looking for 4/60. So 15 per. At that point Castro becomes expendable so trade him for a few arms.

After that sign Span to a 2 year deal.

Puts the line up at Span, Zobrist, Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Russell, Montero

Payroll should add a net 20 mil so that gives them room for flexibility mid season.

I like the idea of having strong OBA at the top.

Paying 20 mil to shark would be unwise.

 

[Boobaby1]

I'm fine with some combination of Samardzija, Miller/Teheran/Carrasco/Salazar. Maybe not so much Ross but if it's Ross and Shields with the Padres picking up most of Shields' contract maybe even that works. Listen the Cubs had a pretty good regular season rotation last year, what they lacked was a #3 you'd be comfortable with in a playoff game. $217 million dollars to fill that hole would be like needing a reliable car and buying a Rolls Royce.

I had read that elsewhere on the Ross/Shields thing.

Maybe that would be a way to give the Cubs the pitching depth that wouldn't cost them draft picks, and give them the depth along the way.

I can't imagine of they had interest in Shields less than a year ago, and he had a less than average year by his standards, that they would even entertain Shark considering the year he had and the amount of money it would cost to get him.

A two-fer would be an interesting trade to say the least, and that trade would cost the Cubs greatly as I have read that the Padres want a haul for Ross, though it could be lessened somewhat if they pick up a larger portion of Shield's contract. :thinking:

 

[Boobaby1]

I hope Pierce Johnson is a stud. Will he be ready for the 2017 season? Is a late season call up in 2016 out of the question?

I don't think so. I guess a lot will be determined in Spring Training, and since the FO is new, and we haven't seen what they do with young pitchers yet that are grooming to be starters, I don't know if they will go for the role like the Cardinals did with Martinez and Wainright which was sticking them in the pen to get a looksee at what they do in the bigs, or keep them starting every 5th day in Iowa.

 

[Boobaby1]

Was thinking trading Solerfor Miller. Then sign Zobrist for 2B. Word he is looking for 4/60. So 15 per. At that point Castro becomes expendable so trade him for a few arms.

After that sign Span to a 2 year deal.

Puts the line up at Span, Zobrist, Bryant, Rizzo, Baez, Schwarber, Russell, Montero

Payroll should add a net 20 mil so that gives them room for flexibility mid season.

I like the idea of having strong OBA at the top.

Paying 20 mil to shark would be unwise.

I know Miller is the talk right now, and apparently he is in demand, but I often wonder why a team that just traded Heyward for him, and he is cost controlled for three more years, would be so willing to trade a guy like that that they have protected, and would figure to be part of their team when they start to contend?

I would be cautious with Miller. I personally don't care much for players that the Cardinals let go or trade, as usually, the recipient of said player becomes the goat. No pun intended...........well a little bit intended.

 

[knoxville7]

I consider him a #4 .. they would need someone else to be the #3, maybe Cueto. I hate Hamels and want him gone so bad. Hendricks could be the #5 and see if he continues to improve.

you are aware that Shelby miller was an all star last year right? he is definitely a valid #3 guy easily

 

[Parade_Rain]

Grienke is the one who will hold up and Price is the flame thrower

Career numbers:

Price: 23.4% K-rate, 6.3% BB-rate, 17.1% K-BB rate, 1.13 WHIP, 3.19 FIP, 3.35 xFIP, 3.37 SIERA, 9.0% HR/FB
Greinke: 21.9% K-rate, 5.9% BB-rate, 16.0% K-BB rate, 1.18 WHIP, 3.31 FIP, 3.47 xFIP, 3.50 SIERA, 9.1% HR/FB)

Price is 10 months younger than Greinke and has 30%+ fewer innings on his arm

Steamer 2016 projections:
Price: 2.99 FIP, 21.2% K-BB%, 1.06 WHIP
Greinke: 3.39 FIP, 16.8 K-BB%, 1.15 WHIP

Which pitcher was it you wanted again?

I can't take credit for throwing a few of these ideas together, but this is what made me change my mind.

 

[JimJohnson]

you are aware that Shelby miller was an all star last year right? he is definitely a valid #3 guy easily

Once again check his playoff stats. They're horrific. People were using Price's poor playoff showings as a reason not to get him so why doesn't the argument apply to Miller as well?

The Mets had deGrom going in G3 of the NLCS. Do you honestly think Miller measures up to deGrom?

 

[knoxville7]

Once again check his playoff stats. They're horrific. People were using Price's poor playoff showings as a reason not to get him so why doesn't the argument apply to Miller as well?

The Mets had deGrom going in G3 of the NLCS. Do you honestly think Miller measures up to deGrom?[/QUOTE]

cool, way to go....you found one team that has a better #3 than miller...the team considered to have the most starting pitching in baseball. how about we compare him to the brewers #3 starter? bet miller looks a hell of a lot better than that guy.

also, I was never one of those who had concern over david price's postseason record so I am certainly not going to freak out over 13.2 innings pitched in the postseason by Shelby miller either