Dennis Rodman

[houheffna]

Bulls don't 3peat without Rodman.

Yes they could have....he wasn't irreplaceable, especially that last season. But if that's the case...Horace Grant's number should be retired.

 

[The Hawk]

Yes they could have....he wasn't irreplaceable, especially that last season. But if that's the case...Horace Grant's number should be retired.

Baloney. They do not three peat without Rodman. Whether they hang his banner is another question and I really don't care one way or the other. But they do not win three championships without him.

 

[houheffna]

Baloney. They do not three peat without Rodman. Whether they hang his banner is another question and I really don't care one way or the other. But they do not win three championships without him.

Jordan and Pippen DID win three titles without him and a guy named Horace Grant. They didn't need Rodman. Jordan had other options in mind besides Rodman when he went on his own recruiting tour to find a competent 4. Jordan and Jackson grew tired of Rodman's antics. He practically stopped playing defense after a while. But if you want to make that argument...Horace, Cartwright, Kukoc...bunch of retired jerseys. Those 6 titles were mainly because of 3 people...

Jordan, Pippen, Jackson

 

[cjswan232482]

Honestly, Paxson and Kukoc should have their number retired before Rodman. Hell, even Hinrich has a better case. Closest thing to Sloan.
Rodman is a Piston. Artis Gilmore is a nobrainer.

 

[The Hawk]

Jordan and Pippen DID win three titles without him and a guy named Horace Grant. They didn't need Rodman. Jordan had other options in mind besides Rodman when he went on his own recruiting tour to find a competent 4. Jordan and Jackson grew tired of Rodman's antics. He practically stopped playing defense after a while. But if you want to make that argument...Horace, Cartwright, Kukoc...bunch of retired jerseys. Those 6 titles were mainly because of 3 people...

Jordan, Pippen, Jackson

I am not demeaning Horace Grant in my opinion about Rodman by any means. He and Ron Harper were important pieces of those Bulls teams. But they lost them but got a better player than Grant in Rodman and a better player than Harper in Kukoc.

 

[houheffna]

I am not demeaning Horace Grant in my opinion about Rodman by any means. He and Ron Harper were important pieces of those Bulls teams. But they lost them but got a better player than Grant in Rodman and a better player than Harper in Kukoc.

You totally re-wrote Bulls history there.

And as far as their roles with the Bulls, I don't consider Rodman to have been "better". Not at all. NO Power Forward did what Horace was doing defensively at the time. Before him, power forwards defending full court was unheard of. Jordan was recruiting Jayson Williams, told him straight out, if he comes to Chicago, he wins titles. I believe that would have been the case if Williams replaced Rodman.

 

[Crystallas]

Bulls won three titles when they replaced Randy Brown with Steve Kerr. Shouldn't that get noted? If we still had Bill Wennington, and never got Luc, then what?

 

[The Hawk]

You totally re-wrote Bulls history there.

And as far as their roles with the Bulls, I don't consider Rodman to have been "better". Not at all. NO Power Forward did what Horace was doing defensively at the time. Before him, power forwards defending full court was unheard of. Jordan was recruiting Jayson Williams, told him straight out, if he comes to Chicago, he wins titles. I believe that would have been the case if Williams replaced Rodman.

Bullcrap. Rodman was a much better defender and greatly better rebounder of the ball than Grant. Jayson Williams was pretty much a scrub. Rodman was a many time all star and a HOFer and you give him very little credit for his greatness and I do mean GREATNESS.

Grant was not anywhere near a star. Williams was less than Grant. Rodman was the second most valuable player on those Bulls teams in my estimation, even more valuable than Pippin. The best rebounder of the basketball in the history of the NBA for non centers. He could defend centers, power forwards, small forwards, and shooting guards. He got into their heads. The only player in the NBA that owned him was Karl Malone who owned every player he ever went up against.

 

[houheffna]

Bullcrap. Rodman was a much better defender and greatly better rebounder of the ball than Grant. Jayson Williams was pretty much a scrub. Rodman was a many time all star and a HOFer and you give him very little credit for his greatness and I do mean GREATNESS.

Grant was not anywhere near a star. Williams was less than Grant. Rodman was the second most valuable player on those Bulls teams in my estimation, even more valuable than Pippin. The best rebounder of the basketball in the history of the NBA for non centers. He could defend centers, power forwards, small forwards, and shooting guards. He got into their heads. The only player in the NBA that owned him was Karl Malone who owned every player he ever went up against.

Dumbest statement in this thread. Just plain dumb.

It doesn't matter what you warped hierarchy of power forwards are. Jayson Williams was a dominant rebounder at the time, and he would have been a big time improvement over Larry Krystokowiak. Feel me? As a Bull, Rodman's role on the team wasn't much different from Grant's. Rodman, after all, was a role player, a star, but a role player.

Rodman went to the all star game twice in his career. You want to give a career retrospective of Rodman. I am talking about 3 years in time. During that time, Rodman was a disciplinary problem who stopped playing half the time. Pippen was still in the prime of his career. The best defender on the team, and a better basketball player than Dennis Rodman.

But don't mind me, continue to make shit up as you go along.

 

[Benchmob757]

No way Rodman gets his number retired, I can't believe we're still talking about this.


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[Crystallas]

From NBA Live 96 :rofl:

 

[Scoot26]

From NBA Live 96 :rofl:

Wat?

 

[clonetrooper264]

Wat?

I sure hope they mean point forward lol

 

[The Hawk]

Scottie Pippin = Power Forward? Who knew? That was funny

 

[The Hawk]

Okay, I'll cede you that Rodman wasn't more valuable than Pippin but it is also true that Rodamn was very valuable to those Bulls teams. He averaged almost 16 rebounds a game and was a force defensively.

 

[houheffna]

Okay, I'll cede you that Rodman wasn't more valuable than Pippin but it is also true that Rodamn was very valuable to those Bulls teams. He averaged almost 16 rebounds a game and was a force defensively.

Grant averaged 9, 10 rebounds a game, was a force defensively, and held his own on the offensive end. You'd have to retire Grant's number also.

 

[Axl Rose]

lets retire everybody and become the celtics

hated playing for the Celtics in my player every good number is taken/retired you gotta use some obscure shit like 83

traded myself as i only wear 3 (Iverson/Wade)

 

[The Hawk]

It doesn't matter what you warped hierarchy of power forwards are. Jayson Williams was a dominant rebounder at the time, and he would have been a big time improvement over Larry Krystokowiak. Feel me? As a Bull, Rodman's role on the team wasn't much different from Grant's. Rodman, after all, was a role player, a star, but a role player.




How can you call Rodman a "role player". The guy was a rebounding machine and a comparison of him to Jayson Williams is an insult to Rodman and to call Williams a "dominant" rebounder is funny as well as ridiculous.THE question was about hanging his number on the wall. I do not care a whit about that one way or the other. But to deny that Rodman was a GREAT of the game during the period he played is silly. He is in the HOF for a reason. The best non center rebounder of all time and one of the best defensive players of all time. "Role player"? Give it a rest.

 

[The Hawk]

Grant averaged 9, 10 rebounds a game, was a force defensively, and held his own on the offensive end. You'd have to retire Grant's number also.

9-10 isn't 16 is it? Grant was a good NBA player but after he left the Bulls he never got better. He did score more than Rodman but Rodman is in the HOF and Grant is not. If you want to retire Grant's number and not Rodman's I do not care. Put them all up on the wall if you want to. But to call Grant Rodman's equal or even better than Rodman is ridiculous.

 

[The Hawk]

Jordan and Pippen DID win three titles without him and a guy named Horace Grant. They didn't need Rodman. Jordan had other options in mind besides Rodman when he went on his own recruiting tour to find a competent 4. Jordan and Jackson grew tired of Rodman's antics. He practically stopped playing defense after a while. But if you want to make that argument...Horace, Cartwright, Kukoc...bunch of retired jerseys. Those 6 titles were mainly because of 3 people...



Another example of rubbish on your part. It was Phil Jackson that wanted Rodman and it was he that convinced Reiiny and Krause to trade for him. His reason was that if Chuck Daley could control him, then he(Jackson) and Jordan could control him and they did. That was/is the truth.

As for Rodman not playing defense after awhile, that is ridiculous also. You just don't care for Rodman's antics I'd bet but on the court he was as good a player on defense and rebounding that ever occurred in the NBA.