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Shouldn't Miami fans now be trolling Dallas Maverick forums?
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No because they know they already beat the next best team in the playoffs and their best competition for years to come.
Besides, Bulls fans are everywhere. Dallas is a big market but if you say something bad about the Bulls anywhere on the internet, it is sure to piss off at least 1 Bulls' fan.
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Thank you for posting this. When I started this thread, I thought for sure other Bulls fans saw what I saw--Rose trying to do too much. But the response has been opposite: Rose needs to shoot the ball every time down the floor because he's surrounded by a band of misfits out there.
I could not disagree more. The band of misfits has proven more times than not they can step up when given the opportunity. See Game 6 vs ATL when Rose held himself to only 14 FG attempts. While I agree we don't have enough to beat Miami, we should have at least been more competitive. Losing in 5 was a total underachievement for a 62-win team. We were probably going to lose the series, but we should have lost in Game 7--in double overtime, on a last second shot by LeBronze.
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Let me make a comparison for you guys. Derrick Rose is kind of like Mike Vick on the court. The PG is often called the quarterback of the offense. The QB's job is to make the proper reads to take advantage of mismatches against a defense. The QB's job is NOT to win the game by himself.
Like Vick, Derrick Rose is an elite athlete for his position. Mike Vick was a running QB, like Rose is a scoring PG. Vick was pretty easy to defend when he was one-dimensional. Vick made breath-taking runs, but if you sellout to stopping him instead of the other play-makers on offense, you win. Same goes with D-Rose when he's looking for his shot first. Stop Derrick and chances of you winning go up. But, if Derrick becomes a pure passing PG, like Vick has become a true passing QB, he becomes very difficult to defend. Now instead of selling out to stop one player, the opponent has to commit to defend the entire team.
Defenses already know Derrick is a ridiculous threat to score. Now they need to know he’s a dangerous threat to pass too. Instead of being a one-dimensional player, if Rose can be a multi-dimensional player it keeps the defense on it's heels. Defenders won’t know if Rose will try to score, or make a creative pass to set up a teammate.
Against the Eagles now, defenses have to guard DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, LeSean McCoy, Brent Celek as well as contain Vick’s running. Vick has proven he can find them all. Vick is no longer a one-man show, and consequently he's never played better. If Rose can become a complete player like Vick, learning to find his teammates in favorable positions and mismatches, our offense will be much more versatile.
Whether we win a championship depends on D-Rose playing like a true PG. Not to say that Rose shouldn't score. Vick hasn't turned into Peyton Manning. He still takes off for his patented 40-yd runs, but he runs only when his play-makers are accounted for. It makes the runs more effective. Rose should still attack the basket, he's too talented not too, but don't force it. Attack when defenses are giving you the lane, if they are packing the paint find the mismatch and give your teammate the ball.
Bottom line, instead of playing like a shorter, smaller Kobe Bryant, we need him to play like a bigger, faster, stronger Steve Nash. That’s it, point blank.
Good luck this summer D-Rose. Work on your game, we can't wait to see what you come back with in the fall.
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No problem. I think we are in the minority when it comes to Rose sharing the ball a little more.
Deng did a good job of attacking LeBron throughout the game, but I didn't see him touching the ball, especially with a smaller Dwyane Wade on him, down the stretch. I think the Bulls just need a good scorer to come off the bench and even finish games sometimes and that will help them get over Miami. I agree, the Heat should not have won in 5. Seven at the most. The Bulls have the defensive strategy to beat Miami, just need Rose to have the confidence in the team during the playoffs, like he has during the regular season.
The team will be better and Rose should have a good idea how everyone plays especially since everyone should be comfortable in Thibs offense. This was a good learning experience for the players and the coaches.
Deng did a good job of attacking LeBron throughout the game, but I didn't see him touching the ball, especially with a smaller Dwyane Wade on him, down the stretch. I think the Bulls just need a good scorer to come off the bench and even finish games sometimes and that will help them get over Miami. I agree, the Heat should not have won in 5. Seven at the most. The Bulls have the defensive strategy to beat Miami, just need Rose to have the confidence in the team during the playoffs, like he has during the regular season.
The team will be better and Rose should have a good idea how everyone plays especially since everyone should be comfortable in Thibs offense. This was a good learning experience for the players and the coaches.
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It may be tough to be a faciltator when the players around him don't score the rock consistently. He is the main scoring option because team needs him to be the main scoring option. If Deng could improve his first step and iso move in one-on-one situations, and get to the rim consistently, Rose's assist numbers would go up. If Brewer could improve his jumpshot, I could say the same thing. But until the Bulls get a secondary scorer who can get to the rim and finish while still being able to hit open jumpers, Rose will do what he has to do.
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It's not about Deng's first step or Brewer's jump shot. It's about passing the ball. It's funny how everyone's response to Rose not getting people involved goes to the players not being good enough. Far from the truth. Brewer played well down the stretch in games 4 & 5 when given the chance and Deng never even got a touch.
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I understand what you mean, but I am not saying that those guys didn't play well. I am just asking, can they do that consistently enough to be relied upon for long stretches when Rose drives and kicks? Can they consistently knock down their shots or get to the rim? This being said, Rose could learn to pass better out of double teams and stop passing in midair, but he will still score when the team needs him to, which is more than it should be.
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I just wanted him to pass more down the stretch, that would have forced Miami to play honest. But the team will learn from all of this. Defensively they were in position to beat Miami in every game . The team doesn't need all these wholesale changes that a lot of people are proposing.
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I started this thread after the Heat playoff series. The reason we lost that series was because Derrick Rose tried to do too much. He's a PG, but he was playing like MJ. I took a lot of heat from other Bulls fans who think Rose is the MVP, so he should shoot 25 times or more a game.
If anybody watched the pre-season game tonight against the Pacers, this is the Derrick Rose we need to beat Miami. Rose's stat line tonight: 4-9 FG, 12 pts, 9 ast, 5 rebs, 1 TO.
The leader scorers tonight were Boozer (24 pts on 17 FGA), Deng (14 pts on 10 FGA) and Hamilton (13 pts on 12 FGA).
Rose made some great passes both in transition and in the set offense. Last year Rose averaged 25 pts and 7.7 ast per game. This year if Derrick can get down to 21 pts and 10 ast, he can become the TRUE PG that will get us over the hump. To quote myself, instead of playing like a shorter, smaller Kobe Bryant, we need him to play like a bigger, faster, stronger Steve Nash. That's what we saw tonight.
If anybody watched the pre-season game tonight against the Pacers, this is the Derrick Rose we need to beat Miami. Rose's stat line tonight: 4-9 FG, 12 pts, 9 ast, 5 rebs, 1 TO.
The leader scorers tonight were Boozer (24 pts on 17 FGA), Deng (14 pts on 10 FGA) and Hamilton (13 pts on 12 FGA).
Rose made some great passes both in transition and in the set offense. Last year Rose averaged 25 pts and 7.7 ast per game. This year if Derrick can get down to 21 pts and 10 ast, he can become the TRUE PG that will get us over the hump. To quote myself, instead of playing like a shorter, smaller Kobe Bryant, we need him to play like a bigger, faster, stronger Steve Nash. That's what we saw tonight.
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Rose's ideal statline:
22 ppg
4 reb
9 ast
3 tov
38% 3pt FG%
48% overall FG%
22 ppg
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This is still a stupid thread. Rose is going to be Rose. You don't blame your teams problems on your strongest player, you work on the weakest links. Anyone who has good eyesight can tell you that Rose distributes just as much as any PG in the NBA, but his problems in the past were in large part due to the teammates failing to convert.
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If you couldn't see that Derrick Rose was at fault for last year's playoff lost, maybe coming straight from the horse's mouth can convince you.
Loss to Heat motivated Derrick Rose to get even better during summer - Chicago Sun-Times
If you think Derrick Rose is being less than sincere when he blames himself for the Bulls being eliminated by the Miami Heat in the Eastern Conference finals, you don’t know Rose. You can see the regret in the reigning MVP’s eyes and hear it in his voice when he talks about how he let his teammates down.
"It wasn’t my teammates’ fault we lost last year," Rose said. "It was me not making the plays and not playing smart enough throughout the whole game. Last year will help me grow this year as a player more mentally. I’ll know what to do. Hopefully, by me looking at film and really studying, when I get in those situations again, it will be totally different."
“I put that all on me, me not making the right decisions, me not knowing the clock, decision- making, turnovers. It really got to me and hurt the team,” Rose said. “When I looked at film, there were lots of plays where I could’ve made the extra pass. I know my basketball IQ got higher. If it happens again where they over-help like that, we’ll have something for them.”
McClanaghan believes Rose can turn the loss into a positive. He knows what it takes now, knows what he must do to improve and has ample motivation.
Dunno about you, but this looks like a totally different Rose tonight to me.
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Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Richard Hamilton ALLOWS Rose to be that type of player! The Bulls' ONLY chance to beat Miami was to have Rose pull a MIRACLE out of his ASS!
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Yes, Rose made bad decisions but he was forced into most of them. Rose took responsibility for the loss BECAUSE he is the leader of the team and that is what the leader is SUPPOSED to do.
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That's Rose's demeanor and who he is as leader of the Bulls. He will own up to everything bad on the court, and will praise his teammates when they do good things.
The real tests will be when Boozer, Deng and Hamilton aren't making their open shots.
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Last year, Derrick Rose had ZERO offensive help to end games.
1st option: Rose
2nd: Luol Deng
3rd: Taj Gibson
4th: Ronnie Brewer
5th: Omer Asik
Tonight:
1st: Rose
2nd: Boozer (healthy)
3rd: Hamilton/Deng
5th: Noah (healthy)
That is the difference between the ECF vs MIAMI and tonight (a PRE-SEASON game vs. the friggin' raw Pacers).
1st option: Rose
2nd: Luol Deng
3rd: Taj Gibson
4th: Ronnie Brewer
5th: Omer Asik
Tonight:
1st: Rose
2nd: Boozer (healthy)
3rd: Hamilton/Deng
5th: Noah (healthy)
That is the difference between the ECF vs MIAMI and tonight (a PRE-SEASON game vs. the friggin' raw Pacers).
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Let's trade Rose for Rondo. Then watch this team become a lottery team again. :facepalm:
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So basically you want a worse version of Chris Paul? Let Rose do what he does best.
His statline last year was 25/4/8 which is better than what you posted. If he actually had teammates who could have shot the ball last year he definitely would have had 9/10 assists average.
28/4/9 is probably the best Rose will ever achieve in his career and is what he should aim for.
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If Rose would've gotten those numbers from Boozer, Deng and Bogans in the playoffs last year, he could've been that guy. But Bogans can't play offense, and boozer couldn't last year.
You can blame Rose for losing in the ECF last year all you want...but at the end of the day, Miami had more talent and health than the Bulls did last year.