Deryk Engelland Hit On Kruger

[IceHogsFan]

I can't believe anyone in here is upset that Scott pounded Engelland's face. Seriously?

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[JOVE23]

Pirri has been recalled.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

I can't believe anyone in here is upset that Scott pounded Engelland's face. Seriously?

That was a dirty hit and he deserves a suspension. Scott did the right thing. The reason we didn't look the same after that was because we got royally screwed by the refs. We should have been on the PP. Not the other way around. We lost all momentum. It's not Scott's fault for doing what he was supposed to do.

Also, arguing that Scott is waste of roster space is asinine at this point. He's played well enough to be a 6th d-man on just about any team in this league. How come the people blasting him aren't giving him kudos for preventing that break away last night?

He did forget one important thing:

He had 17 minutes to find and destroy Eddie O.

 

[IceHogsFan]

He did forget one important thing:

He had 17 minutes to find and destroy Eddie O.

 

[bierboy]

No one is disputing or arguing that Scott should NOT have pummeled Engelland....he more than deserved an ass-kicking. The problem is that those types of beat-downs are STILL not deterring opponents from running our players. And the NHL with its ignorant instigator rule is penalizing teams more now than ever who utilize someone like Scott. Even though I'm not a Scott fan, he's played well (for him) the past couple games, and I noted in my earlier post that he broke up a 2 on 1. Of course, he was the reason there was an odd man rush in the first place....

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

No it wasn't... it was a freak deflected pass as the Hawks were entering the zone.

 

[R K]

Hope Kruger is okay. Hope playing the remainder of the 1st doesn't make it a lingering problem. Hope dingleberry gets an extra game or two for causing an injury.



Can we expect Pirri to get a call up?

Yes, Pirri has been recalled.

 

[R K]

Even if you give Scott two for roughing we'd still have 3 minutes left of the major. Hawks were royally screwed, after pretty much dominating the first part of the period. Thanks NHL.

 

[R K]

No one is disputing or arguing that Scott should NOT have pummeled Engelland....he more than deserved an ass-kicking. The problem is that those types of beat-downs are STILL not deterring opponents from running our players. And the NHL with its ignorant instigator rule is penalizing teams more now than ever who utilize someone like Scott. Even though I'm not a Scott fan, he's played well (for him) the past couple games, and I noted in my earlier post that he broke up a 2 on 1. Of course, he was the reason there was an odd man rush in the first place....

It was a deflected pass. He was not the reason there was an odd man rush. Watch the game!

 

[JOVE23]

The NHL has a giant hard on for the Penguins for some reason. **** 'em.

 

[bierboy]

It was a deflected pass. He was not the reason there was an odd man rush. Watch the game!

There was another situation where that happened. And I did watch the game (although in crummy SD Versus) so I might have seen something so blurry I couldn't make it out....

 

[Variable]

I can't believe anyone in here is upset that Scott pounded Engelland's face. Seriously?

That was a dirty hit and he deserves a suspension. Scott did the right thing. The reason we didn't look the same after that was because we got royally screwed by the refs. We should have been on the PP. Not the other way around. We lost all momentum. It's not Scott's fault for doing what he was supposed to do.

Also, arguing that Scott is waste of roster space is asinine at this point. He's played well enough to be a 6th d-man on just about any team in this league. How come the people blasting him aren't giving him kudos for preventing that break away last night?

It's not that I think what he did was "wrong" it's that you're in a no win scenario with the potential to get even worse and that has to be realized. We can keep complaining about the instigator, but that's just the way it is. I understand the reasons why he did it, because that's what they believe in, that's why they signed him, as much as I disagree with that as it's going against the grain of what the NHL is today, those were their reasons and I'm sure the players don't have a problem with it. So yeah going by that, he wasn't in the wrong. But looking at it realistically, you're shooting yourself in the foot every time you do this.



All you're doing is rewarding the Penguins even more for that hit by handing them that automatic power play, and they get enough handed to them as it is. So you lost Kruger, and you gave them another advantage which turned out to be one of the differences in the game. Worth it to get "revenge"? Did you even really get it? Nothing was stopped. It continued to happen.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Um 90% of the time there is a hit like that... someone on the team is going to respond no matter what team it is. That was NOT going against the grain of todays NHL its just what you do when a hit like that happens.

 

[Variable]

I meant by having a player like Scott. Where that's all he can really do and that's all he's brought in to do. The Old NHL where you got one or two guys that play like 4 or 5 minutes a game and spend more time than that in the box. There are plenty of hybrid enforcer players out there that can do that and still play hockey, like Mayers right now, or Eager before his concussions, Carcillo, the list goes on.

 

[BigPete]

I meant by having a player like Scott. Where that's all he can really do and that's all he's brought in to do. The Old NHL where you got one or two guys that play like 4 or 5 minutes a game and spend more time than that in the box. There are plenty of hybrid enforcer players out there that can do that and still play hockey, like Mayers right now, or Eager before his concussions, Carcillo, the list goes on.

What 'old NHL' are you talking about? There have been huge shifts in who plays the game and how they play the game every ten years or so. Is your 'old NHL' the 90s? How about the 70s? Be more specific.



Root Cause of the problem is the lack of a proper call by the refs. Not John Scott dealing with the problem himself. Engelland should have been grabbed by a zebra immediately and ushered off the ice to serve a minor, major, and game misconduct. When Scott saw that no arm was going up he dealt with it circa 1980s 'the Code' justice.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

See, that's just bullshit. If it was "textbook" enforcing, this wouldn't keep happening....but IT DOES. Clearly the addition of Scott FOR THE PURPOSE OF PREVENTING THIS SHIT has FAILED.

It still happened in the era of enforcers, so there has never been any pure prevention. It is always about the mitigation and reduction. That is what Scott brings.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Engelland was invisible physically for the rest of the night in case anyone didn't notice.

Probably from the headache.

 

[jakobeast]

Scott has been playing just fine for a 6th D-man. Better then last year. Whether or not he caused the 2 on 1, which he didn't, he got back and negated it. Duncs a few games ago had a brain fart that led to a breakaway. He got back and saved the shot on net, and people were calling for the Norris to be renamed the Keith Trophy.



Scott is playing as good as most hockey folks want him. I think he has been playing better then what's expected. He isn't gonna replace seabs or Duncs. If that what some want, which by what I have been hearing, sounds like that's what folks want, those people need to get off the glue.



As far as stopping shitty hits, enforcer on your team or not, it isn't gonna happen. We all would like to see that shit stop, but tough toenails. Bad hits are gonna happen. The Hawks will be guilty of it too. The heavy on your team, like Scott, isn't gonna stop it, but I do believe him out there does make players think twice about a questionable hit or stirring shit up when they are on the wrong side of the score.

 

[Shoots_he_scores]

Scott did the right thing but that's a penalty as a team you have to recognize as a good one and you absolutely have to kill it off, very much the same to someone taking a penalty to save a goal. It's a team game, sometimes teammates have to pick each other up. Scott did his part in defending Kruger, unfortunately the rest of the boys couldn't pick him up on that PK. Plain and simple.

 

[Variable]

It still happened in the era of enforcers, so there has never been any pure prevention. It is always about the mitigation and reduction. That is what Scott brings.

But he doesn't, that's some kind of myth. There was another hit where a Penguin launched himself into Keith later in that very same game. What about that hit on Seabrook from the game before? Just off the top of my head, 3 hits in the last 2 games that are dirty, all with Scott being dressed in both of them. There's been no reduction.