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[mikita's helmet]

I think he'd be voted in.

• First rookie to record 100 points and 100 penalty minutes in a season
  
• Youngest player to record 100 points in a season (18 years, 253 days)
  
• Youngest player to record 200 career points (19 years and 207 days)
  
• Youngest player to record 2 consecutive 100 point seasons.
  
• Youngest player voted to the starting lineup in an All-Star Game
  
• Youngest Art Ross Trophy and Lester B. Pearson Award winner
  
• Youngest player to be named to the First All-Star Team
  
• Youngest full team captain
  
• Youngest Player to Lead NHL Playoffs in scoring
  
• Youngest NHL captain to win the Cup
  
• Has a Hart, Ross and Richard trophy
  

Only has 572 points (but in only 412 games).



A player with a longer career that won all those Awards, records and a Cup would almost certainly be voted in.



**** him, though.

 

[the canadian dream]

I want to say no, but it could be the same case that was made for Gale Sayers of the Bears, his career was cut short due to injuries and only played 5 to 6 yrs but he was so great during that short time he was a 1st ballot inductee.

I feel the same way. I want to say no also but the kid has pretty much won everything there is to win. 4 hundred plus point seasons is rare enough through a career let alone through 6.25 seasons.



Yah agree Mikita lol.

 

[mikita's helmet]

I feel the same way. I want to say no also but the kid has pretty much won everything there is to win. 4 hundred plus point seasons is rare enough through a career let alone through 6.25 seasons.



Yah agree Mikita lol.

Also:



got the game winning goal in the Olympic gold medal game.



Still, **** him!

 

[klemmer]

If Crosby is done. Here is an interesting question



Does he go into the Hall Of Fame?

no

 

[tvltre]

no

I agree...doesn't deserve the hall.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

I want to say no, but it could be the same case that was made for Gale Sayers of the Bears, his career was cut short due to injuries and only played 5 to 6 yrs but he was so great during that short time he was a 1st ballot inductee.

But thats almost standard for NFL running backs, the average time where their getting the most amount of carries is around 3 years I believe. Different that the long NHL careers we see, I personally think Crosby would have a good case for the Hall.



Even to think last year, when he went out he was 16 points ahead of the nearest leader. It took two weeks for the league to catch up with him. I mean I am not a fan of the guy but what he does is pretty amazing.

 

[jakobeast]

I say yes he would be in.



He electrified hockey fans, polarized from coast to coast and around the world. Granted the NHL has pimped him out so much, how can no one know who he is.



Add to that all the stats that he has put up until this point.If Dino is in, the Crosby will be.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

No.... please God.... no.

 

[Variable]

Like him or hate him, I don't think there's anything else a player could have possibly done or achieved in that kind of time period which would argue better for his induction if his career ended due to injury. Because basically at this point, you're just talking about a matter of time, not a matter of actual achievements anymore, which is crazy considering he's only played 5 full seasons.

 

[R K]

I say yes he would be in.



He electrified hockey fans, polarized from coast to coast and around the world. Granted the NHL has pimped him out so much, how can no one know who he is.



Add to that all the stats that he has put up until this point.If Dino is in, the Crosby will be.

LadyHawk says he needs time in the AHL first.

 

[Maiden]

Yah I agree it's not going to happen over night. And yah i will wait until some of these guys serve their seconds. But really it shouldn't have to take second offenses. If they are going to go the road of suspensions then do it harsh. 2 games really is nothing. All that is is a mini vacation.

How long did it take for a rule changes made during the lockout to become accepted by the players?

It's called a process and the process will take time.

 

[Maiden]

If Crosby is done. Here is an interesting question



Does he go into the Hall Of Fame?

Really? This is a question?

 

[the canadian dream]

Sidney Crosby, Milan Michalek, Claude Giroux Daniel Alfredsson, Jeff Skinner, Mike Richards, Mike Fisher, David Perron, Andy McDonald, Brayden Schenn, Nino Niederreiter, Nathan Gerbe, Ben Eager, Raitis Ivanans, Cody McCormick, Tyler Kennedy, Peter Mueller,Guillaume Latendress.



Chris Pronger, Kris Letang, Joni Pitkanen, Zbynek Michalek, Michael Sauer, Marc Staal, Marek Zidlicky.



Ryan Miller, James Reimer, Rick DiPietro and Steve Mason.





These are the players currently out with concussion issues (some have returned).



This is a pretty big list with some pretty huge names mixed in. Not sure if all of these concussions were a cause of head shots.



I am not sure if I believe 100% that it is just going to take players time to adjust to the new rules. I am sure that is part of the equation but it doesn't explain off why more and more players, and big name ones at that, are losing so much game time to concussions.



Somethins else is up.I don't recall seeing lists like these last year or in previous seasons. These are a lot of players out at the same time with concussions. You could build a good team here of concussed players. It's crazy.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Giroux was back last game and scored 4 points against the Stars and is playing against the Rangers right now. Miller has been back for weeks?



How did you miss Carcillo?

 

[the canadian dream]

Well I thought no one was answering the question as to if Carcillo is actually concussed or not. Thought it was still listed as an "upperbody injury"

 

[Variable]

Previous seasons the league didn't have a huge microscope on them about the issue and the newer protocols that dealt with concussions weren't in yet. I really don't think this is a "new problem" or an epidemic or anything like that. I just think in the past they've gone unreported, undiagnosed and/or ignored. That's the only explanation, they used to play without helmets, you don't think, just from incidental contact, there was just as many or more concussions during that time? I'm sure that If allowed, as dumb as it would be, a lot of players on that list would be playing with their concussions.

 

[the canadian dream]

Previous seasons the league didn't have a huge microscope on them about the issue and the newer protocols that dealt with concussions weren't in yet. I really don't think this is a "new problem" or an epidemic or anything like that. I just think in the past they've gone unreported, undiagnosed and/or ignored. That's the only explanation, they used to play without helmets, you don't think, just from incidental contact, there was just as many or more concussions during that time? I'm sure that If allowed, as dumb as it would be, a lot of players on that list would be playing with their concussions.

I agree with this. There is no doubt that players in the past have been playing concussed. "it's just a headache I can still play". So yah I agree the microscope is bigger as it should be also.



That's a good point variable.

 

[R K]

Well I thought no one was answering the question as to if Carcillo is actually concussed or not. Thought it was still listed as an "upperbody injury"

Yes, he's concussed.



It's not the microscope more than it's the diagnosis and medical advances to understand exactly what concussions are and the ramifications caused by them. I garuntee nothing has changed from todays game from where it was 20 years ago. Other than 20 years ago they just started wearing helmets and players today are in far better physical condition.

 

[the canadian dream]

That's a great point too RK. I know you have deep interest in concussion in sports and in this game.



Well bottom line is I am glad concussions are being taken more serious by the medics and researchers. Let's now get the players respecting them more. 2 game suspensions aren't going to get the job done.

 

[R K]

Your last sentence says it all. Just like Toews said after the Pens game. The players have the onus to pay attention to the actions they take on the ice. No matter the suspension, the fines, it's all still very much up to them.



The Penguins play was very surprising in the fact their player, the best player in the world is not only facing circumstance caused by a concussion, but also very vocal against those actions. Then his team partakes in the exact thing that ultimately has HIM on the sidelines.



The same organization that continuously protected one of the biggest hacks in the league until finally caving by the pressure and the rather odd comments of their owner, probably the best two way player in the history of the game.