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Nobody projected him to be MVP last season at all.
Projections are only that...projections.
Projections are only that...projections.
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These projections are garbage. Zach Randolph? Are you freaking serious? I can understand Durant, CP3, Howard, and even Lebron to an extent, but those other guys...not a chance. That said, it's only 3 games into the season. We'll let DRose speak for himself whether or not he deserves the MVP again.
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Melo is the best player on the Knicks, no question. And he's better than Stat. Stat could not put the team on his back the way Melo can & did ALOT while he was in Denver. Not to mention he is the best clutch player in the league. And that's a certified fact.
As for these projections, they don't amount to dogshit because we've barely played 3 games thus far.
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He needs to work on his post-game & mid-range game too. Basically, he needs to learn how to score without it being a dunk or a put back.
Griffin is one of the most overrated players in the league, imho. Kevin Love is a much, much better player but you don't here about him (despite getting 30-20 the other day) because he doesn't jump 4 feet over the rim.
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This is for all Chicago sports fans: Please stop being so damn thin-skinned about perceived slights by national media outlets. I stopped caring about that stuff long ago and have had a much happier sports life since then.
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I stand by the fact that neither LeBron or Wade can win MVP while playing together. Neither can be the most valuable player in the league because you take one away and the team is still good.
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lol @ having 2 superstars doesnt mean you cant win the MVP..
LeBron is the best player currently playing, but since he has Wade, he can't win the MVP?
How about Melo, one of, if not the best scorer in the league...he can't win cause he has STAT?
So we might as well give Rose and Howard the MVP's every year since they are the only Superstars on their team.
LeBron is the best player currently playing, but since he has Wade, he can't win the MVP?
How about Melo, one of, if not the best scorer in the league...he can't win cause he has STAT?
So we might as well give Rose and Howard the MVP's every year since they are the only Superstars on their team.
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That is not a joke...its the norm. And why is it you can't see Wade as a better candidate, when he is a better player on a better team?
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You just nullified half of Jordan's MVP awards. The most valuable isn't pigeonholed to one definition...the criterion is different.
Jordan, Shaq, Kobe...all won MVP awards with top 10 players on their team. Yet they all deserved the award. Having "help" doesn't necessarily mean that the significance of a player to his team lessens. Bird and Magic played with all time greats...6 MVPs between them. Jordan would win a couple as a one man gang, but not all. Malone won 2 with Stockton on his team.
Durant has Westbrook, who is as close to Derrick Rose as it gets. Rose is not expected to have a repeat performance of last year. That may be why he is down on the list so far.
And for the record...Melo trumps Amare...shouldn't even be an argument.
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Last year Rose put himself into the mix by sending the hype signals out. This season he was asked if he plans on repeating, he just backed away like "no way man".
Which doesn't mean he doesn't think he can be the MVP, but he doesn't want to insert himself into that mix. So he's gotta get onto the train of NBA politics first to throw up enough buzz around him, and with LeBron's crazy post-turn-around off the glass shot... LeBron is going to be hyped all regular season long, for 198 of the 264 quarters, ect LOL.
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And the Dirk Nowitzki's. Yep.
And this idea that Anthony should be ahead of Rose is a joke.
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That is horrible logic and a stereotypical interpretation about what the MVP award is.
If one team in the NBA had the 5 best players in the Conference, and another highly seeded team had the 6th best player in the NBA with nearly the same regular season record, who do you think should be MVP?
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If the "MVP" award was actually the "Best Player of the Year" award:
a.) Jordan would have had won about 10 of them.
and b.) Carmelo Anthony could still never win one.
a.) Jordan would have had won about 10 of them.
and b.) Carmelo Anthony could still never win one.
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You accuse me of horrible logic, and then use horrible logic.
You need to learn what the criterion is for deciding who the MVP is, something I have been over time and time again. "Winning with less" is not the only focus of the MVP.
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And what is your point? Who said Randolph was a better player than Rose? The argument can be made for Melo and Wade being better than Rose, but not Randolph.
And what you don't seem to get, is this is the LEAGUE MVP. So again, the criterion is a lot more diverse than you make it out to be.
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That is lazy analysis at its finest. Dirk should win MVP because his team didn't have any other superstars?
Go over the list of MVPs in the league and tell me who would win without having a top level player on their team. Go back to 1980. You totally lose sight of the concept of NBA MVP.
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It is very simple how to measure value: wins.
As an extreme example: if your team goes 60-6 and your average team margin of victory is 15 points then one player on that team is, in all likelihood, not going to be responsible for many of those 60 victories.
The team that is closest to this example would be the Heat. Even if you took off LeBron James, that team still might finish with the best record in the conference because they still have Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and good depth in the middle of their line-up.
Another example would be a team like the Knicks, who have two pure scorers as forwards in their line-up. If you remove one of those two scorers, it will undoubtedly hurt the team. But, at the same time, if Stoudemire or Anthony all of the sudden was not apart of that team then, by default, the remaining star scorer would get more touches and scoring opportunities (which the player who left had once cut into).
A player like Rose, Howard, or Nowitzki is built around their presence on the floor. If one of them were to leave all of a sudden, the team would lose a LOT more than a team like the Knicks or Heat losing their best or most valuable player.
As an extreme example: if your team goes 60-6 and your average team margin of victory is 15 points then one player on that team is, in all likelihood, not going to be responsible for many of those 60 victories.
The team that is closest to this example would be the Heat. Even if you took off LeBron James, that team still might finish with the best record in the conference because they still have Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and good depth in the middle of their line-up.
Another example would be a team like the Knicks, who have two pure scorers as forwards in their line-up. If you remove one of those two scorers, it will undoubtedly hurt the team. But, at the same time, if Stoudemire or Anthony all of the sudden was not apart of that team then, by default, the remaining star scorer would get more touches and scoring opportunities (which the player who left had once cut into).
A player like Rose, Howard, or Nowitzki is built around their presence on the floor. If one of them were to leave all of a sudden, the team would lose a LOT more than a team like the Knicks or Heat losing their best or most valuable player.
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That list is fairly consistent with deserving MVP winners. Rose deserved it last year, and won.
Kobe Bryant was robbed one year by Steve Nash, but Nash deserved it in the other.
Nowitzki won it in 2007 and deserved it.
Kidd was robbed in 2002.
Malone and Jordan was a legitimate toss-up in 1997 and 1998. Yes, both players had a secondary great player, but Jordan and Pippen's offensive roles were far from interchangeable (unlike Wade and James).
Robinson was a solo superstar on his team in 1995 and won it. Barkley wasn't the best player in the league in 1993, but his team was way more dependent upon him that year than the Bulls were upon Jordan. He deserved that MVP.
From what I can tell, since I can remember, the MVP award doesn't always go to the best player on team with the best record during the regular season. Look at the Spurs most of last year- nobody was saying Manu deserved the MVP more than LeBron besides who? One old bat voter, Jack Ramsey? And their team had the best record for the vast majority of the season. Most people were smart enough to see the Spurs for what they were- a balanced offensive team with quite a bit of depth on their perimeter.
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While it is true that Rose may not have as great of a season as he did last year, I still feel confident predicting that Rose (a player who's defensive/rebounding-oriented team is built around his play-making [be-it scoring or facilitating] to keep his team's 12th ranked offense afloat])
...will be more valuable in terms of tacking on wins for his respective team than Carmelo Anthony (a player who adds some solid rebounding, great all-around scoring [already have Stoudemire who he's taking shots away from], and adds nothing defensively to a team that desperately needs it.
and more valuable than Zach frickin' Randolph...
...will be more valuable in terms of tacking on wins for his respective team than Carmelo Anthony (a player who adds some solid rebounding, great all-around scoring [already have Stoudemire who he's taking shots away from], and adds nothing defensively to a team that desperately needs it.
and more valuable than Zach frickin' Randolph...
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If there was a player on a 21-61 team that was responsible for nearly every one of those 21 wins, I'd consider that player an MVP candidate of the highest order.