DRose Getting The Shaft On Projected MVP Voting

[FirstTimer]

What you are commenting on is a little side point I made to illustrate the point that the MVP award is based on regular season wins combined with individual performance.

ZOMG! You cracked teh code!

So..Lebron James and the Heat could win a shit ton of games................and James could put up crazy stats......and win the award.........and that has NOTHING to do with him playing with Wade and/or Bosh.

If surrunding talent was such an issue you'd have really great players on crappy teams winning the award or finishing higher in the voting..which you don't.

Hell even Dirk had a really damn solid surrounding cast the year he had a really fucking good supporting cast.

Value is measured by number of regular season wins caused as a direct result of one player's presence on a given team.

Which there is no way to measure. In any sport.

Ever.

And, by your own interpretation of what the MVP award is (bullshit by the way), you should also be inquisitive as to how Zach Randolph is placed in front of Derrick Rose. And Carmelo Anthony, for that matter.

Congrats on missing the point of what I was saying.

Jesus Christ you are a certified Special person.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

There might be some people who need to reevaluate their postings.

 

[FirstTimer]

The two generally go hand-in-hand. You need a solid team surrounding a top tier player in order to rack up wins, generally speaking.

No shit?!

This coming from the guy trying to discount James winning while on the Heat.

However, when you have a team SO dominant like the Miami Heat, who would already be dominant even without their best player,

LOL at the Heat as constructed be nearly "as dominant" with out James.

You're a fucking loon.

On one hand..the Heat have no depth. On the other take James off the teams and they are still dominant.

If LeBron James and Dwyane Wade have better seasons than Derrick Rose (as they did last year by most accounts),

:smh:

No.


By "most accounts" who the hell was saying that?

Heat minus James = probably the 1st or 2nd seed in the East.

Heat minus Wade = probably the 1st or 2nd seed in the East.

This is laughable.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

James and Wade are similar players. If one was gone, the other could step up and carry on a main scoring role. (They also have Bosh, by the way, who is a top 20-ish player and very capable of picking up points as well).

Anthony and Stoudemire aren't very similar players in how they score, but they generally score from the same spots on the floor and they both eat into each other's touches. If one was gone, the other could easily step it up (much like in the Heat scenario).

Randolph and *** (like the Knicks) have two scoring forwards as their best players. They are essentially the poor-man's Melo-Amare combo. At least Anthony and Stoudemire are somewhat willing passers; neither of these two are. The idea that Randolph is going to mean more wins for MEM than Rose will for CHI is ridiculous.

Rose.
Nowitzki.
Howard.

And, also likely to be, Paul.

Those are the players who's value are going to be a given.

Wade-James, Randolph-***, Melo-Amare... none of these players are even a lock for the most valuable player on their own team. It makes it that much harder for them to be taken seriously as MVP of the entire league.

And what about balanced teams like the Spurs? They had the best record for the vast majority of last season. Nobody was saying that Ginobili was MVP (except Dr. Jack Ramsay :shrug

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Is it really a big deal if Rose doesn't win the MVP?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Is it really a big deal if Rose doesn't win the MVP?

Not really. I just disagree with Anthony, Randolph, Griffin, and Wade being "projected" over him. It makes zero sense to me.

 

[FirstTimer]

Anthony and Stoudemire aren't very similar players in how they score, but they generally score from the same spots on the floor

The idea that Randolph is going to mean more wins for MEM than Rose will for CHI is ridiculous.

Still not getting the point.

Try again fuckwad.

And what about balanced teams like the Spurs? They had the best record for the vast majority of last season. Nobody was saying that Ginobili was MVP (except Dr. Jack Ramsay :shrug

Because Ginobli isn't a standout player. I never said some sabover average player off an exception team like the Spurs could win it. I even noted there were exceptions earlier you brain dead schmuck.

I also love how a lot of people's preseason MVP favorite(Durant) isn't even on your list yet if the Thunder get the #1 or #2 seed out West he's a pretty good lock to win it as well.

You time and time again exhibit a complete and utter lack of knowledge about anything basketball related.

 

[Chi-Town Brahma]

Well, the writers who vote still have the heads far up James' ass....so he's their projected MVP always. That's just the way it is. The writers with common sense that act independently are the ones giving Durant the MVP nod.

I for one don't care if Rose loses out on the MVP this year. He earned his repect as an elite star last year. He's focusing on one thing....an NBA title. Whatever comes along for him in the process is only a plus.

 

[FirstTimer]

Is it really a big deal if Rose doesn't win the MVP?

Yes. End of the world.

Rose>>All.

I think it's hilarious as well that Rose is a contender in part because he seemingly or implied doesn't have as much to work with...yet when people bring up in other threads how overpaid or how marginal guys like Noah and Deng are it's swatted down and those two are defended at "Top defensive centers" or not overpaid because they are really good all around players.

Pick a story and stick with it clowns.

Not really. I just disagree with Anthony, Randolph, Griffin, and Wade being "projected" over him. It makes zero sense to me.

I think it's dumb there are projections out this early in the year at all. hell you had LA fans chanting MVP for Kobe the other night.

You and other people's logic for going after this projections is laughable at best.

 

[FirstTimer]

Well, the writers who vote still have the heads far up James' ass....so he's their projected MVP always. The writers with common sense that act independently are the ones giving Durant the MVP nod.

I for one don't care if Rose loses out on the MVP this year. He earned his repect as an elite star last year. He's focusing on one thing....an NBA title. whatever comes along for him in the process is only a plus.

I hate to break this to you but Lebron James is really fucking good at basketball. he's the best player on the planet by a pretty wide margin. Him being a preseason MVP favorite isn't really the result of having your head up someone's ass...It's just kind of knowing the game and knowing what the guy is capable of doing.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Kevin Durant isn't included on the list with

Howard
Rose
Nowitzki

because he isn't a solo superstar on his own team.

There is a reason I didn't make a big fuss about LeBron being ahead of Rose. It is possible to have a secondary star player and still be the rightfully MVP of the league. It just makes it that much harder.

Paul and Durant are both going to be high-caliber value players because their secondary stars complement them somewhat better than James' complementary star (Wade) and Anthony's complementary star (Stoudemire)... and (if you want to include them)... Randolph's complementary star (***).

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

James Worthy > Lebron James

'Nuff said.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

If I had to guess who the rightful MVP is going to be, I'd go with either Durant, Nowitzki, or Paul. If Howard stayed in ORL the entire year, I'd be more inclined to go with him. But I doubt that he will because he is bound to get traded.

Once you get traded, it obviously kills your MVP chances.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Rose will probably be at least slightly less valuable to the Bulls this season because of the addition of Richard Hamilton.

 

[FirstTimer]

Durant, Paul, James

Top 3 contenders. Dallas won't be good enough for Dirk to garner votes.

 

[houheffna]

Everybody in the Bulls forum should have to read that book before posting in here again.

I will look into it, I plead total ignorance but want to learn more. Especially if you two have read it.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yes. End of the world.

Rose>>All.

I think it's hilarious as well that Rose is a contender in part because he seemingly or implied doesn't have as much to work with...yet when people bring up in other threads how overpaid or how marginal guys like Noah and Deng are it's swatted down and those two are defended at "Top defensive centers" or not overpaid because they are really good all around players.

Pick a story and stick with it clowns.

I said right off the bat that James and Wade had better regular seasons than Rose last year, in my opinion. Yet, I still believe Rose was more valuable in the regular season and more deserving of an MVP award.

And saying that Noah is a nice player to get back, if you are forced to part ways with Dwight Howard, does not imply that I believe Noah eased the pressure off of Derrick Rose offensively somehow.

Only one player was arguably as valuable to a team's offense as Rose was to the Bulls- Dirk Nowitzki.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Durant, Paul, James

Top 3 contenders. Dallas won't be good enough for Dirk to garner votes.

I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that LAC > DAL.

 

[FirstTimer]

I said right off the bat that James and Wade had better regular seasons than Rose last year, in my opinion.

You also said by all accounts....

Who the **** were these other accounts?

 

[FirstTimer]

I wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion that LAC > DAL.

I would.

Obviously.