Educating Our Children, Private Schools Doing More With Less

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I agree it comes down to Parent accountability 100%, when you have kids having kids, it's gotta be hard to focus on your childs education when you probably haven't finished yours.



Which is a huge point of controversy in both public and private schools. Sex education.

I don't want to derail the main point.
 

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I do. It's against a fundamental right granted in the Constitution. I would not give my consent without very valid reasoning and again my consent.



**** that, let them drug test my kid, that way I don't have to pay for it. It's not against anything that I consent to.
 

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I knew that some would take this in a direction of religion and that was not its intent. Ironically my daughter is in the Catholic system but if I had read a similiar article regarding chartered or private schools and the cost difference then I would have shared that. You give up liberties to attend a private school. One of those is random drug testing and as parents it is disclosed up front. I like it, I condone it and was glad to see my daughter was tested for something that is illegal and should not be part of the system. Let's face it, at the teenager age if there are drugs it is because of the school enviroment. You don't agree with drug testing and/ or your public school provides the education that you desire for your child then by all means enjoy it and be thankful that you are not paying a small fortune in addition to the taxes we already pay.



Again, my reasoning for posting is that the conversation should be about the cost of educating our children and why we should have more tax advantages for those who wish to take advantage of it. The fact is simple and proven, the private school system produces an education that exceeds a public system and at a substantially less cost per student.
 

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Ahhh, I thought you 'edited" his post, like a FIFY... haha. Nevermind.



Well I could have deleted it-- but that would have meant 10 people would have left the site due to my personal censorship.
 

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I knew that some would take this in a direction of religion and that was not its intent. Ironically my daughter is in the Catholic system but if I had read a similiar article regarding chartered or private schools and the cost difference then I would have shared that. You give up liberties to attend a private school. One of those is random drug testing and as parents it is disclosed up front. I like it, I condone it and was glad to see my daughter was tested for something that is illegal and should not be part of the system. Let's face it, at the teenager age if there are drugs it is because of the school enviroment. You don't agree with drug testing and/ or your public school provides the education that you desire for your child then by all means enjoy it and be thankful that you are not paying a small fortune in addition to the taxes we already pay.



Again, my reasoning for posting is that the conversation should be about the cost of educating our children and why we should have more tax advantages for those who wish to take advantage of it. The fact is simple and proven, the private school system produces an education that exceeds a public system and at a substantially less cost per student.



Is this becoming common practice in many private schools?
 

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Is this becoming common practice in many private schools?



If you are asking about random drug testing, I can not answer that. I know at her high school parental meeting

prior to starting their freshman year it is discussed and it is also in the high school information disseminated to the parents and students. I would also add that their are still drug issues at her high school as in every school. You will never get away from it and quite frankly if you can afford private schooling then you probably have money available to purchase as well.
 

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Is this becoming common practice in many private schools?



When I was at Brother Rice they didn't do it but if I remember correctly they instituted it the year after I graduated (2008) so I believe they have it now and I believe most schools do.



I'm not that upset about drug testing, they make you sign a waiver for that stuff at the start of each year usually anyway. I still get drug tested up here in college by the aviation department. I think it's just something to get used to because your probably going to pee in a few cups if you want to have a good job, it's just the world we live in right now.
 

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I knew that some would take this in a direction of religion and that was not its intent. Ironically my daughter is in the Catholic system but if I had read a similiar article regarding chartered or private schools and the cost difference then I would have shared that. You give up liberties to attend a private school. One of those is random drug testing and as parents it is disclosed up front. I like it, I condone it and was glad to see my daughter was tested for something that is illegal and should not be part of the system. Let's face it, at the teenager age if there are drugs it is because of the school environment. You don't agree with drug testing and/ or your public school provides the education that you desire for your child then by all means enjoy it and be thankful that you are not paying a small fortune in addition to the taxes we already pay.



Again, my reasoning for posting is that the conversation should be about the cost of educating our children and why we should have more tax advantages for those who wish to take advantage of it. The fact is simple and proven, the private school system produces an education that exceeds a public system and at a substantially less cost per student.

That's because they don't have to deal with kids that don't want to be there. They don't have to teach kids whether they like it or not. If a kid can't afford to go there, or doesn't want to be there, or they don't want to be there, guess what. THey aren't. he public school system has to put up with every kid. You don't think it's cheaper to teach kids who want to be taught? OF course it is. But the public school system has to take on the costs of teaching millions of kids that don't give a shit, don't want to be there, and are dragging down the test scores. Of course it's going to be cheaper to teach a private school kid. They don't have to waste any money on the kids who don't give a shit. They don't have to waste money on school lunch programs, they don't have to waste money on special education programs, they don't have to waste money on private security forces, and ESL, and a lot of times they don't have to waste money on sports that aren't popular. It's not apples to apples. I'm happy that you can afford to send your kid to private school. But the reality is it's maybe cheaper because it's exclusionary, but that doesn't mean that you should have to pay for the welfare programs for students just like everyone else. What's next? You shouldn't have to pay for roads because you only take toll roads? You shouldn't have to pay for parks because you and your family only go to your gym for exercise? You should pay less for water because you have a culligan guy come in for your drinking water?



Just a ridiculous argument. Private schools are better. I can afford to send my kids to private schools and other can't. I shouldn't have to pay taxes because I can afford to send my kids to private school. Can you imagine if everyone did that? How fucked would the public school system be then. You don't take advantage of welfare and dozens of other programs but guess what you pay taxes for them too. Can you imagine if parents started pulling their kids out of school because it was cheaper than sending them?
 

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Well I could have deleted it-- but that would have meant 10 people would have left the site due to my personal censorship.



Fucking gestapo mods...oh wait I am a mod and I cant delete this....well shit.
 

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That's because they don't have to deal with kids that don't want to be there. They don't have to teach kids whether they like it or not. If a kid can't afford to go there, or doesn't want to be there, or they don't want to be there, guess what. THey aren't. he public school system has to put up with every kid. You don't think it's cheaper to teach kids who want to be taught? OF course it is. But the public school system has to take on the costs of teaching millions of kids that don't give a shit, don't want to be there, and are dragging down the test scores. Of course it's going to be cheaper to teach a private school kid. They don't have to waste any money on the kids who don't give a shit. They don't have to waste money on school lunch programs, they don't have to waste money on special education programs, they don't have to waste money on private security forces, and ESL, and a lot of times they don't have to waste money on sports that aren't popular. It's not apples to apples. I'm happy that you can afford to send your kid to private school. But the reality is it's maybe cheaper because it's exclusionary, but that doesn't mean that you should have to pay for the welfare programs for students just like everyone else. What's next? You shouldn't have to pay for roads because you only take toll roads? You shouldn't have to pay for parks because you and your family only go to your gym for exercise? You should pay less for water because you have a culligan guy come in for your drinking water?



Just a ridiculous argument. Private schools are better. I can afford to send my kids to private schools and other can't. I shouldn't have to pay taxes because I can afford to send my kids to private school. Can you imagine if everyone did that? How fucked would the public school system be then. You don't take advantage of welfare and dozens of other programs but guess what you pay taxes for them too. Can you imagine if parents started pulling their kids out of school because it was cheaper than sending them?



Boy, you are ranty............. Hahaha



The question that I love to be discussed is the funding and cost of the public system that appears to be degrading even while more and more dollars per student are added. $10,000 per student per year? Wow



I also believe this is where the discussion could be in regards to charter schools. Those individuals do not need to fund the tuition like a traditional private school but yet get many of the advantages of a private education. Are any of you aware of what the primary difference is between a charter and public school?
 

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Well I could have deleted it-- but that would have meant 10 people would have left the site due to my personal censorship.





At least 10.



Public education verses private education would have sufficed. You put "Catholic" in there which last time I checked was a Religion.



Again **** that. My parents were products of Public Education. My wife and I, both have SEVERAL degrees, were products of Public Education, and my children will be products of Public Education.



If you deem that it's neccessary to WASTE more money, other than the taxes you automatically pay whether you like it or not, that's up to you. To me it's Private verses Public. Since the post you originally typed said "Catholic" it brought in religion. You did it. And expect people not to voice thier opinion?



As for the Charter Schools I'm aware of what they are. And again I'd stick Stevenson High School, a PUBLIC school, against ANY of them. Along with SEVERAL other Subruban Public High Schools.
 

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1. I'm from South Bend.

2. I worked at Burkhart Advertising (the company that produces this billboard) for almost 5 years.
 

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Charter schools are independent public schools that provide families an alternative to their traditional neighborhood schools. They offer options particularly in areas where a large number of public schools have been identified as needing improvement, corrective action or restructuring. Charter schools are commonly founded by educators, parents and community leaders or they may be existing schools converted to charter status. They often feature innovative approaches to instruction. Since the first charter school opened in Minnesota in 1992, the charter school movement has grown to more than 3,600 schools nationwide serving more than 1 million students.



Charter schools are primarily characterized by their agreement to be accountable for academic results in exchange for increased autonomy. While they operate with freedom from many of the regulations that apply to traditional public schools, they must meet the academic standards set forth in their charter--the performance contract that establishes the school. In addition, charter schools must satisfy, as other public schools, the same accountability requirements outlined in the No Child Left Behind Act. And, as public schools receiving taxpayer dollars, they must offer open admission and enrollment free of charge.



Most charters are granted for three to five years and are subject to renewal by the entity chartering them, usually a state or local school board. As of the 2005-06 school year, 40 states and the District of Columbia have passed laws to authorize the establishment of charter schools.
 

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Public education verses private education would have sufficed. You put "Catholic" in there which last time I checked was a Religion.



Again **** that. My parents were products of Public Education. My wife and I, both have SEVERAL degrees, were products of Public Education, and my children will be products of Public Education.



If you deem that it's neccessary to WASTE more money, other than the taxes you automatically pay whether you like it or not, that's up to you. To me it's Private verses Public. Since the post you originally typed said "Catholic" it brought in religion. You did it. And expect people not to voice thier opinion?



As for the Charter Schools I'm aware of what they are. And again I'd stick Stevenson High School, a PUBLIC school, against ANY of them. Along with SEVERAL other Subruban Public High Schools.



You took it as religion based discussion. I clearly stated from the onset it was about funding and Catholic schools are the example brought by the article written. I will even extract the Catholic word from this thread title since that seems to fire some people up. I never bashed all public schools either. The discussion was about funding education and the huge difference and performance of private educations. This is very relevant in todays world of budgets that are out of control.
 

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Charter schools are independent public schools that provide families an alternative to their traditional neighborhood schools. They offer options particularly in areas where a large number of public schools have been identified as needing improvement, corrective action or restructuring. Charter schools are commonly founded by educators, parents and community leaders or they may be existing schools converted to charter status. They often feature innovative approaches to instruction. Since the first charter school opened in Minnesota in 1992, the charter school movement has grown to more than 3,600 schools nationwide serving more than 1 million students.



Charter schools are primarily characterized by their agreement to be accountable for academic results in exchange for increased autonomy. While they operate with freedom from many of the regulations that apply to traditional public schools, they must meet the academic standards set forth in their charter--the performance contract that establishes the school. In addition, charter schools must satisfy, as other public schools, the same accountability requirements outlined in the No Child Left Behind Act. And, as public schools receiving taxpayer dollars, they must offer open admission and enrollment free of charge.[/b]Most charters are granted for three to five years and are subject to renewal by the entity chartering them, usually a state or local school board. As of the 2005-06 school year, 40 states and the District of Columbia have passed laws to authorize the establishment of charter schools.




The bold areas are key.
 

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You took it as religion based discussion. I clearly stated from the onset it was about funding and Catholic schools are the example brought by the article written. I will even extract the Catholic word from this thread title since that seems to fire some people up. I never bashed all public schools either. The discussion was about funding education and the huge difference and performance of private educations. This is very relevant in todays world of budgets that are out of control.





No I didn't. I took it as Public Schools verses Private schools.



I could care less if it's a religious school or not.
 

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