Educating Our Children, Private Schools Doing More With Less

[Pez68]

You sure like to put words into people's mouths.

 

[IceHogsFan]

So,I thought the situation in Wisconsins was relevant to this discussion about budgets and paying for public education even though the media is promoting it nationally as being against teachers and schools. It is really about all government funded entities in Wisconsin and the unions.



Rockford even made national headlines last night and today. On CNN this morning they were discussing the 14 Democrats who came here to avoid the vote in Madison. All of these teachers are calling in "sick" and leaving schools to be closed throughout the state. I find that disgraceful... oh to the Reagan days when the air traffic controllers pulled the same stunt.



The people in Wisconsin voted this governor in with him campaiging about being serious about the budget and going after the unions and bloated spending. I have to wonder of all those protesting, how many are getting a union backed paycheck even while not showing up for the jobs they are supposed to be doing?

 

[R K]

Indiana teachers would walk out right now if not for it being ILLEGAL for them to strike.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Indiana teachers would walk out right now if not for it being ILLEGAL for them to strike.

I am pretty certain that Wisconsin teachers can not strike either. They are actually all calling in

sick which appears to get around that.



No chance of anything like this EVER happening in Illinois.

 

[supraman]

I am pretty certain that Wisconsin teachers can not strike either. They are actually all calling in

sick which appears to get around that.



No chance of anything like this EVER happening in Illinois.

actually when i was in the 4th grade the teachers had a strike

 

[IceHogsFan]

actually when i was in the 4th grade the teachers had a strike

My next door neighbor was the school superintedent for the district we reside in.

Pretty certain that he stated IA, WI and IN were all states around us that do not

allow teachers to strike. Whether that has changed or maybe implemented since your

4th grade appearance, I do not know.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Indiana teachers would walk out right now if not for it being ILLEGAL for them to strike.

Very true. You want quality teachers? Pay them. This may help those that get into education not to bail in their junior/senior years when they get the opportunity to work in the field, and realize the system is in shambles.



I know at least a half dozen teachers that are either out of work, or finding a new field to enter due to the problems in the Indiana school system.

 

[R K]

Very true. You want quality teachers? Pay them. This may help those that get into education not to bail in their junior/senior years when they get the opportunity to work in the field, and realize the system is in shambles.



I know at least a half dozen teachers that are either out of work, or finding a new field to enter due to the problems in the Indiana school system.

No argument from me there. Although teachers around here are paid fairly well.

 

[R K]

My next door neighbor was the school superintedent for the district we reside in.

Pretty certain that he stated IA, WI and IN were all states around us that do not

allow teachers to strike. Whether that has changed or maybe implemented since your

4th grade appearance, I do not know.

come on. It was only 3 years ago!

 

[Tater]

come on. It was only 3 years ago!

ZING !!!!!!!

 

[IceHogsFan]

" .......President Eisenhower on Unions. President Dwight D. Eisenhower to the AFL-CIO, December 5, 1955:



You of organized labor and those who have gone before you in the union movement have helped make a unique contribution to the general welfare of the Republic–the development of the American philosophy of labor. This philosophy, if adopted globally, could bring about a world, prosperous, at peace, sharing the fruits of the earth with justice to all men. .....



.



One principle of this philosophy is: the ultimate values of mankind are spiritual; these values include liberty, human dignity, opportunity and equal rights and justice.



Workers want recognition as human beings and as individuals-before everything else. They want a job that gives them a feeling of satisfaction and self-expression. Good wages, respectable working conditions, reasonable hours, protection of status and security; these constitute the necessary foundations on which you build to reach your higher aims.



Moreover, we cannot be satisfied with welfare in the aggregate; if any group or section of citizens is denied its fair place in the common prosperity, all others among us are thereby endangered.



The second principle of this American labor philosophy is this: the economic interest of employer and employee is a mutual prosperity.



Their economic future is inseparable. Together they must advance in mutual respect, in mutual understanding, toward mutual prosperity. Of course, there will be contest over the sharing of the benefits of production; and so we have the right to strike and to argue all night, when necessary, in collective bargaining sessions. But in a deeper sense, this surface struggle is subordinate to the overwhelming common interest in greater production and a better life for all to share.



The American worker strives for betterment not by destroying his employer and his employer’s business, but by understanding his employer’s problems of competition, prices, markets. And the American employer can never forget good wages and progressive employment practices for his employee are good business."..........



The words of a true leader...

 

[IceHogsFan]

No argument from me there. Although teachers around here are paid fairly well.

As far as I know locally, teachers are paid a very competitive wage especially in the case of higher

education earned. You can reference earlier in this thread for a site that lists every teachers wage

in the state public school system. What the concern is in Wisconsin is what they pay towards their

benefits including health insurance and towards their retirement plan both of which are unquestionably

not realistic in todays world.

The local teachers were expected to join other public employees in Madison to protest Gov. Scott Walker's proposal that would force them to pay 12.6 percent of their health insurance premiums and 5.8 percent of their annual salaries into a retirement pension. The bill also would strip most public employees of their ability to negotiate over benefits and working conditions.



http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/ar...02180635/Students-teachers-Dems-stage-walkout

 

[MassHavoc]

I know teachers don't get paid all that well in some places, but man do they get a lot of vacation.

 

[Ymono37]

I know teachers don't get paid all that well in some places, but man do they get a lot of vacation.

There's a little bit of a trade off here though - (hypothetically) you or I could could just decide to take a Friday off because there was nothing big going on and we wanted a vacation day. Teachers don't always have that luxury. Unless they are sick, they're pretty much expected at work between August and June.



And then many have to work summer jobs to supplement their income.

 

[IceHogsFan]

And then many have to work summer jobs to supplement their income.

Full time teachers that have to work in summer? The ones that I know do it to make additional

income but certainly are not financially bound to do so.

 

[IceHogsFan]

Nope, there is no bias in media reporting...

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Lots of state officials are pressing public employees to shoulder more of their health care and pension costs.



But in some places -- notably Wisconsin and Ohio -- officials are looking to go one step farther. Governors and lawmakers there are trying to limit or end public workers' collective bargaining ability, effectively neutering the unions.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/18/news/economy/union_protest/index.htm?hpt=T1

 

[CLWolf81]

I also don't think public high schools have the kind of alumni allegiance that catholic high schools have. Might not be a huge deal when your younger but as you get older looking for jobs and such, it's a great networking tool.

Creepy thought, but I have been experiencing that for the past few years thanks to Facebook.



I went to a Catholic school from 2nd grade all the way to graduating High School. I've been talking with more of them lately and I do agree with you on that part.

 

[bookjones]

Eh, I don't see what all the hullabaloo is about---one can get a fine public school education and one can get a fine private school education. Period. Parents either way need to make it their mission to not raise stupid children if they want smart children because there most certainly are dumbasses who still matriculate through both systems. I am a product of 13 years of a CPS education and my intellect turned out fine.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Eh, I don't see what all the hullabaloo is about---one can get a fine public school education and one can get a fine private school education. Period. Parents either way need to make it their mission to not raise stupid children if they want smart children because there most certainly are dumbasses who still matriculate through both systems. I am a product of 13 years of a CPS education and my intellect turned out fine.

Game.

Set.

Match.

 

[phranchk]

Eh, I don't see what all the hullabaloo is about---one can get a fine public school education and one can get a fine private school education. Period. Parents either way need to make it their mission to not raise stupid children if they want smart children because there most certainly are dumbasses who still matriculate through both systems. I am a product of 13 years of a CPS education and my intellect turned out fine.

Says you.