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[dabynsky]

Padres extended Houston Street with a 2 year 14 million dollar deal. So much for the Pads being big sellers.

 

[Rice Cube]

So this Cespedes guy is pretty good.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/29/yoenis-cespedes-continues-to-shine/

 

[dabynsky]

So this Cespedes guy is pretty good.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/29/yoenis-cespedes-continues-to-shine/

This year and the next five would have looked a lot different if the two biggest international free agents had been signed by the Cubs. What might have been...

 

[dabynsky]

Astros have traded 3B Chris Johnson to the D'Backs. We really are going to have to work hard to get caught up with the Stros.

 

[2SeamHeat]

This year and the next five would have looked a lot different if the two biggest international free agents had been signed by the Cubs. What might have been...

Yes, the Cubs would be much better if they had signed Darvish and Cespedes. The again, you can say the same thing if they managed to sign Fielder, Wilson, Cuddyer, and traded for Headley as well.

 

[dabynsky]

Yes, the Cubs would be much better if they had signed Darvish and Cespedes. The again, you can say the same thing if they managed to sign Fielder, Wilson, Cuddyer, and traded for Headley as well.

Except those guys are 3 or more years younger than those guys is the big difference as well. Having two mid 20 impact players would be nice.

 

[2SeamHeat]

Except those guys are 3 or more years younger than those guys is the big difference as well. Having two mid 20 impact players would be nice.

True, and losing them in 5 years to free agency wouldn't have made things any different. Except, the other guys are actually MLB proven commodities and neither Darvish nor Cespedes were. But, in the grand scheme of things, I'd like to have both of them with hindsight being in their favor for the moment. At the time, however, I didn't want the team to really get involved with risking that much cash for two guys that had a 50-50 chance of panning out and washing out.

 

[dabynsky]

True, and losing them in 5 years to free agency wouldn't have made things any different. Except, the other guys are actually MLB proven commodities and neither Darvish nor Cespedes were. But, in the grand scheme of things, I'd like to have both of them with hindsight being in their favor for the moment. At the time, however, I didn't want the team to really get involved with risking that much cash for two guys that had a 50-50 chance of panning out and washing out.

I wanted Darvish badly and said so many times during the bidding process. I just want more talent in this organization right now, and it is fun, heartbreaking, to think about what migth have been if the Rangers didn't put a Dice-K bid in and the A's didn't offer Cespedes free agency after 4 years.

 

[DewsSox79]

Yes, the Cubs would be much better if they had signed Darvish and Cespedes. The again, you can say the same thing if they managed to sign Fielder, Wilson, Cuddyer, and traded for Headley as well.

the plan of spending big money on FAcy was never in the plans. guys like wilson, fielder,pujols,cuddyer,kubel were never even a thought for theo, it was media driven.

 

[dabynsky]

And the Cubs finished second in spending big money on Darvish and Cespedes.

 

[DewsSox79]

And the Cubs finished second in spending big money on Darvish and Cespedes.

which was a part of the plan. spending on guys from international leagues. not MLB players already established.

 

[dabynsky]

which was a part of the plan. spending on guys from international leagues. not MLB players already established.

Acquiring as many guys not in their physical peak yet would be the way I would phrase it.

 

[Rice Cube]

Damn Dodgers :fist:

 

[ZDemp34]

Astros have traded 3B Chris Johnson to the D'Backs. We really are going to have to work hard to get caught up with the Stros.

We won't have that cushion next year :lol:

 

[Rice Cube]

We won't have that cushion next year :lol:

It'll still matter in the draft race, I'm afraid.

 

[DewsSox79]

masterson now available wow.

 

[2SeamHeat]

the plan of spending big money on FAcy was never in the plans. guys like wilson, fielder,pujols,cuddyer,kubel were never even a thought for theo, it was media driven.

So not the point... but thanks for playing.

The point I was making was that it would be a bit more reasonable to go with available vets of that manner and expect a strong return in performance than spend pretty close to the same amount of cash per year (on average, including bidding fee) for Darvish and Cespedes. I understand that Theo and Hoyer were looking at things from a different angle. They were willing to take more of a risk with the younger internationals and pray for them to reach their upside.

 

[2SeamHeat]

And the Cubs finished second in spending big money on Darvish and Cespedes.

They also low-balled when only 4-6 teams total put in bids... and came at least $35M from getting the job done. In other words "We're gonna offer up chump change to a guy that was said to be generating enough interest to get a $50M posting price.... so we can say we tried." Real exciting effort there, Dab.

At least with Cespedes, they did seem to put up a real effort.

 

[dabynsky]

They also low-balled when only 4-6 teams total put in bids... and came at least $35M from getting the job done. In other words "We're gonna offer up chump change to a guy that was said to be generating enough interest to get a $50M posting price.... so we can say we tried." Real exciting effort there, Dab.

At least with Cespedes, they did seem to put up a real effort.

They were second. Most experts didn't seem to think that we would get a Dice-K bid for Darvish because of the way Dice-K turned out. The Rangers did and good for them. The Blue Jays didn't bid more than us and they were hot and heavy for him as well.

Cespedes would have been a Cub if the A's hadn't offered free agency at the end of 4 years.

 

[2SeamHeat]

They were second. Most experts didn't seem to think that we would get a Dice-K bid for Darvish because of the way Dice-K turned out. The Rangers did and good for them. The Blue Jays didn't bid more than us and they were hot and heavy for him as well.

Cespedes would have been a Cub if the A's hadn't offered free agency at the end of 4 years.

A month before the bidding took place, most of the "experts" in the media were making statements that they expected Darvish to get as much, and possibly more than Dice-K. This is actually a big reason why most teams stayed out of the bidding, and he got a surprisingly low number of bids. The Blue Jays are said to be hot and heavy about a number of players every year, and yet they rarely pony up the cash or specs to acquire them.

And, I said that the FO did at least make a real effort to land Cespedes. That deal, apparently, was actually a tough decision for Cespedes. I saw one report at the time that said he debated over the two offers for two days or the like. However, I don't think the A's lose control of Cespedes after 4 years. Isn't he still young enough to qualify for the 6 years of control? Not sure on that at all. If so, then he only got the right to arbitration and a new contract after 4 years.