FA WR Market Values

[WindyCity]

The Watkins number is light, he will get 10-12 million.

 

[satchice]

Miami will probably cut Wake and Julius Thomas to free up about $15mil. Still not a lot of cap space, though, unless the cap number is significantly higher than what's being projected.

If I'm reading this right Wake and Thomas would only free up 9M

 

[Chicago4Life]

Jarvis Landry is a pipe dream too. I'll be very surprised if Miami lets him hit the open market, amid their tight cap situation. Just under 6 million in cap space at the moment, but a couple cuts like Julius Thomas (useless 6.6 million), Ja'Waun James (presumed career threatening injury and 9.2 mil), and Lawrence Timmons (grossly underperforming saving 5.75 mil) and they just opened close over 20 million additionally in cap space And if he does hit the market, a ton of teams will bid on him, giving him the upper hand. He's a great talent, but he's not worth Demaryius Thomas kind of money or more AND convincing that Chicago should be his prime years' destination.

Paul Richardson intrigues me the most. He's better than any bears WR and probably wont cost double digit millions per year. He's clearly a #2 guy, and I see him in the right situation putting up numbers like Marvin Jones, which I'd welcome here. And while I hate Pete Carroll, I love that he coaches all of his WRs to be aggressive right back with DBs at the LOS. Tate, Kearse, Richardson, Baldwin, and Lockett may not be true #1 WRs or elite by any standards, but they're efficient, effective, and don't get bullied at the LOS by opposing DBs.

Richardson is the most realistic to hit the market on this list. The seahawks sit with 17 mil in cap space and Sheldon Richardson to resign, because like with Watkins; I don't expect a team to give up Jermaine Kearse and a 2nd round pick for a young talent in the name of being a rental player. I also see Seattle blowing it up because their window, for now--appears closed or just about, but regardless of whether they blow it up or not, like Watkins--its been well reported Sheldon Richardson is a priority to the Seahawks' offseason.

landry will be free, cutting timmons doesnt save them 5.75 mill...he signed a 2yr 12 mill deal 11 gtd, he got paid ~3 mill last year meaning hes due ~8 in 2018, thomas will save 4.5 and james had surgery for a hamstring nothing career threatening and his 5th yr option was picked up so if hes still injured, miami is on the hook. their best chance is to cut wake and save themselves 5 mill giving them about 17 mill in space, 7 goes to draft class leaving them with 10 mill.

richardson is not looking as intriguing anymore...he reminds me of wheaton just with better acrobatics on making catches. he's virtually a 1 trick pony that runs go routes, he has run some hitches and dig routes but rarely gains separation because of poor route running/footwork and has to make contested catches more often than not... I can see the seawhawks passing on richardson and using that money to extend lockett who's a better route runner and is more versatile than richardson. I wouldnt hate having richardson but he's def not worth 5-7 mill, just look at wheaton

 

[dennehy]

If I'm reading this right Wake and Thomas would only free up 9M

I'm going by this:

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins

$14.725m

 

[Natedogg8023]

If those numbers were to hold true, and the players get to FA, the Bears could sign Landry & Watkins. Which I would be totally for, especially with front loaded contracts that will heave less cap numbers in the out years.

 

[satchice]

I'm going by this:

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/miami-dolphins

$14.725m

That is very different from Spotrac. They say Wake has 3.5M and Thomas has 2M in dead cap.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap/

 

[satchice]

That is very different from Spotrac. They say Wake has 3.5M and Thomas has 2M in dead cap.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/cap/

Just confirmed that Wake is guaranteed (signing bonus + 2017 salary + $3M of 2018 salary)
1M signing bonus is broke into $500,000 each year + the 3M for this year which makes hi dead money 3.5M . Cutting Wake would only save 4.625M

Thomas' contract had a guaranteed 7.5M and $200,00 bonus. He was payed 5.6M last year so he is owed 1.9M plus the $100,000 bonus makes 2M
Cutting Thomas saves 4.6M I think he will be cut.

 

[WindyCity]

Having 15 million in cap space is not a functional amount to re-sign someone to a 14 year deal. 6 of that is going to go towards the draft class.

They will barely have enough to fill out their roster let alone keep Landry.

The Dolphins are cap screwed.

 

[satchice]

Having 15 million in cap space is not a functional amount to re-sign someone to a 14 year deal. 6 of that is going to go towards the draft class.

They will barely have enough to fill out their roster let alone keep Landry.

The Dolphins are cap screwed.

Tell me the truth, you are starting to warm up to Landry aren't you?

 

[WindyCity]

Tell me the truth, you are starting to warm up to Landry aren't you?

I am. I still do not like the price point.

But the argument of just adding the most talented guys is growing on me. It grows on me even more when you look at what Pace has done in free agency when targeting the #2 tier guys.

I really want to fix 2 positions before the draft so that we do not have 3 desperate needs before we head into the draft.

OL
OLB
WR-best free agent possibilities here
CB-hopefully with the resignings of our guys

 

[WindyCity]

Tell me the truth, you are starting to warm up to Landry aren't you?

The key will be getting the 2016 version of him, which I think is reasonable with non-shit QB play.

 

[Myk]

what isn't speculation at this point, lol. They did give up a 2nd rounder and Gaines who was the 13th best CB last year. Its not impossible to believe that they wont let him hit the open market.

That. They didn't give what they did for a 1yr contract to let him walk unless he really screwed up in that 1yr.
According to CSS sources they could've used that 2nd on a WR this year and done better if they didn't think he'd work our. Deep WR draft in the 2nd but crap WR draft in the 1st.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I am. I still do not like the price point.

But the argument of just adding the most talented guys is growing on me. It grows on me even more when you look at what Pace has done in free agency when targeting the #2 tier guys.

I really want to fix 2 positions before the draft so that we do not have 3 desperate needs before we head into the draft.

OL
OLB
WR-best free agent possibilities here
CB-hopefully with the resignings of our guys

The fact that they're meeting with a CB today already makes think at least one of the two starters doesn't come back. Prince more likely.

 

[WindyCity]

The fact that they're meeting with a CB today already makes think at least one of the two starters doesn't come back. Prince more likely.

Amerson is not a replace a starter guy.

He is a replace Marcus Cooper guy.

 

[SugarWalls]

Amerson is not a replace a starter guy.

He is a replace Marcus Cooper guy.

I see this to be exactly it. Cooper looked like shit. Amerson will replace cooper but he has the potential to play his way into CB2.

 

[satchice]

That. They didn't give what they did for a 1yr contract to let him walk unless he really screwed up in that 1yr.
According to CSS sources they could've used that 2nd on a WR this year and done better if they didn't think he'd work our. Deep WR draft in the 2nd but crap WR draft in the 1st.

I laugh every time I think about that.

 

[Myk]

I laugh every time I think about that.

Value, man. If we get a good WR at #8 that's bad, but if we get an average WR at #39 we'll be going places because it's all about getting the best value not the best players in positions where you have needs. :bowrofl:

 

[Viciousjay]

I would love to give Josh Gordon a prove it contract! Then CCS can stop crying about losing AJ.

 

[RochBear]

The Watkins tag stuff was just speculation from a reporter.

Yup. Lots of reports just need to say something definitive. Being right, when the event occurs weeks later is probably secondary for most. Watkins tag may be stopped by his injury history. Too big a gamble. When he's healthy he is very good indeed.

 

[TheWinman]

I've seen numerous reports that the rams will, google it. I think the phins would lean towards the transition tag for landry if they cant come to a deal. Of course, that gives the Bears and about 6 other teams the chance to make some crazy deal that they think the phins wont match.

You don't tag a guy that is worth maybe up to 10 million less than the tag.