FA WR Market Values

[Luke]

I would expect that they take a run, or check in on Landry, but in the end the market will be too competitive.

I think we will see 2 players in the 5-8 range signed.

If I had to pick names right now, Wilson and Richardson.

8+ for Richardson, not a big fan of that considering his injuries and route running. Also going to way over pay to pry Wilson away from Reid, I wonder if Trubs has any say if he likes Wright.

 

[WindyCity]

8+ for Richardson, not a big fan of that considering his injuries and route running. Also going to way over pay to pry Wilson away from Reid, I wonder if Trubs has any say if he likes Wright.

We are going to over pay.

The alternate is not having WRs, which really is not an option. The Bears are desperate, thanks Kevin White.

 

[Luke]

We are going to over pay.

The alternate is not having WRs, which really is not an option. The Bears are desperate, thanks Kevin White.

and the unfortunate AJ situation. I know the Bears are desperate and will have to over pay, will be interesting to see who wants to come here as most will have several suitors. If I'm Wilson and the money is anywhere near equal, I'm staying put with Reid and PM who has been in that system a year now. Richardson is a left coast guy, does he come here if money is similar? I'd guess there will be major bitching and moaning whoever they end up signing but that's the CCS way right.

 

[Adipost]

8+ for Richardson, not a big fan of that considering his injuries and route running. Also going to way over pay to pry Wilson away from Reid, I wonder if Trubs has any say if he likes Wright.

WR at #8 is looking more and more likely.

 

[satchice]

No one does.

Being realistic we are not adding a dominant player to the group in 2018.

I think it is realistic that they add a couple of number 2s and strengthen the unit and try and develop someone more impactful.

Where do you realistically see Landry going ? I think Cousin is going to take to money and sign in Cleveland. Even with Jimmy and Cousins taking up around 30M in cap is Landry still in play for both of them?
What other teams would be able/willing to give Landry 14M per?
Who has the best odds of signing Landry?
Bears
Colts
Titians
Saints

 

[dennehy]

Where do you realistically see Landry going ? I think Cousin is going to take to money and sign in Cleveland. Even with Jimmy and Cousins taking up around 30M in cap is Landry still in play for both of them?
What other teams would be able/willing to give Landry 14M per?
Who has the best odds of signing Landry?
Bears
Colts
Titians
Saints

I heard on the radio that Washington is likely to tag Cousins and then trade him.

As far as Landry: SF, Cle, NYJ will all have plenty of $ to go after him. A few others too if they want.

 

[Luke]

WR at #8 is looking more and more likely.

Still don't think so, although I'm one of the bigger Ridley fans. I believe that potential stud edge rusher like Edmunds or Davenport will be too hard to pass up.

 

[WindyCity]

and the unfortunate AJ situation. I know the Bears are desperate and will have to over pay, will be interesting to see who wants to come here as most will have several suitors. If I'm Wilson and the money is anywhere near equal, I'm staying put with Reid and PM who has been in that system a year now. Richardson is a left coast guy, does he come here if money is similar? I'd guess there will be major bitching and moaning whoever they end up signing but that's the CCS way right.

Where is the money going to be similar?

The Bears can make it so the Chiefs cannot re-sign Wilson from a financial standpoint. I doubt Richardson has many west coast suitors.

The WR additions are going to be at first glance underwhelming.

 

[remydat]

I was on Spotrac this morning and noticed that they released some more market values for the Free Agents. Some of them are pretty interesting.

Name / Age / Market Value / Projected Contract
Sammy Watkins / 24 / 5.9M avg / 3 years $17,991,258
Marqise Lee / 26 / 7.5M avg / 4 years $30,007,580
Paul Richardson / 25 / 6.3M avg / 4 years $25,410,164
Allen Robinson / 24 / 13.6M / 5 years $68,060,485
Jarvis Landry / 25 / 13.8M / 5 years $69,013,570

I have been following Spotrac over the last 3 years and I think Spotrac is really good at project market values. If Watkins market value is only 5.9M do you really think the Rams will slap a Franchise tag that in 2017 was worth $15.682 Million? Likely the franchise tag this season will be 10M more than Watkins market value. If we could get Watkins for under 7M I would be interested.

As a huge Landry fan it is also nice to see that 14M avg would be in line with his market value. I thought it was silly that a lot of poster were saying he would only be worth 12M max. I think if he was in the same position he is a better player than Davante Adams. As I have said in multiple threads he should be the Bears #1 FA target regardless of price based on his talent, need, and current draft class.

I think Lee and Richardson are both just guys, like mid to low end #2 WRs. They are both inconsistent and they just remind me of Mike Wallace light. Lee is hands down the better of the two, but I don’t think he will live up to his contract. If we miss out on Landry and Watkins then I think he is the best available. I think Jags will keep Robinson and with the emergence of a younger and cheaper UDFA Cole Keelan makes Robinson expendable. These guys would be solid starters in Chicago but should be thought of as last option emergency bridges that will need to be upgraded, similar to the Wheaton or Royal signings.

We don't just need one WR. We need a **** ton of them. If these numbers are true why would I pay Robinson or Landry around 14 million a year when I can get Watkins and Richardson for 12.3 million combined?

To me, Watkins, Richardson and draft pick is much better than Robison/Landry and draft pick. The former spreads the risk on injury around whereas the latter means you are likely one Robison/Landry injury away from your WRs being shit again.

 

[WindyCity]

I heard on the radio that Washington is likely to tag Cousins and then trade him.

As far as Landry: SF, Cle, NYJ will all have plenty of $ to go after him. A few others too if they want.

They really cannot do.

The y would have 52 million assigned to QBs and the minute he signs it he would have to be traded or they would need to cut serious people off their roster. Teams would also not be willing to part with what you would think because if I am Cousins I would not negotiate a long term deal. Just play for 34 million and then cash in on 150 million the next year.

There would also be a guaranteed NFLPA grievance filed because the tag is meant for teams to retain a player and Washington has no intention of doing that. The grievance will take weeks and if Cousins signs the tag in that time it would cripple them.

It is an empty threat.

 

[WindyCity]

We don't just need one WR. We need a **** ton of them. If these numbers are true why would I pay Robinson or Landry around 14 million a year when I can get Watkins and Richardson for 12.3 million combined?

To me, Watkins, Richardson and draft pick is much better than Robison/Landry and draft pick. The former spreads the risk on injury around whereas the latter means you are likely one Robison/Landry injury away from your WRs being shit again.

One could argue that based on history there is a better chance that both Watkins and Richardson get injured than Landry getting hurt, but I understand the point.

The real question is how much does Nagy plan on spreading the ball around. In Kc they were more balanced in their targets than other teams. If that continues that 14 million in one WR spot would seem like a poor investment.

 

[WindyCity]

WR at #8 is looking more and more likely.

I do not think it is. A less than incredible free agent WR haul shouldn't force a reach in the draft.

 

[Luke]

Where is the money going to be similar?

The Bears can make it so the Chiefs cannot re-sign Wilson from a financial standpoint. I doubt Richardson has many west coast suitors.

The WR additions are going to be at first glance underwhelming.

One thing, Nagy will definitely have back channels to let Wilson know what they would pay and as I mentioned before he's not a given back to KC.

 

[Luke]

I do not think it is. A less than incredible free agent WR haul shouldn't force a reach in the draft.

it depends on how Pace grades Ridley. NFL.com has him 6th, scouts inc, 15th Jeremiah 22nd, never pay attn to CBS. What we don't know is how closely these rankings are.

 

[remydat]

One could argue that based on history there is a better chance that both Watkins and Richardson get injured than Landry getting hurt, but I understand the point.

The real question is how much does Nagy plan on spreading the ball around. In Kc they were more balanced in their targets than other teams. If that continues that 14 million in one WR spot would seem like a poor investment.

Well I mentioned Robinson as well but one injury to Robison/Landry and your WR core is likely shit for every game they miss. With Richardson and Watkins, it only hurts if their injuries end up overlapping. So sure Landry's risk of injury is probably lower overall from the perspective of Watkins and Richardson being injured at some point during the season. It is probably much closer though once you factor in the chances of Watkins and Richardson being injured at the same time for an extended period of time.

There is also the fact, teams can gameplan a lot easier to try and stop a single WR as opposed to two WRs particularly when the single WR has limited deep speed.

 

[dennehy]

They really cannot do.

The y would have 52 million assigned to QBs and the minute he signs it he would have to be traded or they would need to cut serious people off their roster. Teams would also not be willing to part with what you would think because if I am Cousins I would not negotiate a long term deal. Just play for 34 million and then cash in on 150 million the next year.

There would also be a guaranteed NFLPA grievance filed because the tag is meant for teams to retain a player and Washington has no intention of doing that. The grievance will take weeks and if Cousins signs the tag in that time it would cripple them.

It is an empty threat.

We'll see. If a deal could be worked out that was acceptable to all three parties, no reason why it couldn't happen. Although you're correct that the chances are probably against it.

 

[Chicago4Life]

We'll see. If a deal could be worked out that was acceptable to all three parties, no reason why it couldn't happen. Although you're correct that the chances are probably against it.

why would he do the redskins a favor? there is nothing in it for cousins...by reaching free agency with multiple bidders his price tag will only increase.

 

[dennehy]

why would he do the redskins a favor? there is nothing in it for cousins...by reaching free agency with multiple bidders his price tag will only increase.

It's a good point.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

They really cannot do.

The y would have 52 million assigned to QBs and the minute he signs it he would have to be traded or they would need to cut serious people off their roster. Teams would also not be willing to part with what you would think because if I am Cousins I would not negotiate a long term deal. Just play for 34 million and then cash in on 150 million the next year.

There would also be a guaranteed NFLPA grievance filed because the tag is meant for teams to retain a player and Washington has no intention of doing that. The grievance will take weeks and if Cousins signs the tag in that time it would cripple them.

It is an empty threat.

If he signs it I believe it makes the contract fully guaranteed so it would still kill the cap if he is traded. Now if it’s not signed they can trade him with no penalty to the cap. Anyone know for sure about this?

 

[iffybiz]

Even if they end up eyeing Ridley, they still will have to get a FA or two. Can’t go into the draft needing a particular player and then have another team take him. Ridley (if taken) would be the icing on the cake, not the whole cake


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