He is grooming her to be a formidable player in the game. It is clear he is a teacher per the showrunner and it is clear he is her weakness per the showrunners. Now you seem to want me to just completely disregard everything the showrunners said simply because you said so. That's rubbish. I'm not going to simply believe the showrunner is lying about LF being her teacher or her being his weakness imply because you say so. Present actual evidence because you are not George Martin. Your opinion is meaningless here.
More Remyzone bullshit. Grooming her for the game my ass. Why did he give her up to the Boltons in the first place? Something that had more than just a little chance of her ending up dead. So what's the point of her being groomed under those circumstances? I will answer that question for you, none. It was only a ploy to gain enough trust to get her to go along with his plan, and convince her there was some other reason for him wanting her to do it. George Martin has nothing to do with this argument, as the whole Sansa to the Boltons scenario never even happened, it was Jeyne Poole, a fake Arya. So spare me your ignorant GRRM namedrop.
Also quit with the straw man bullshit. No one said, he was a teacher/good guy. That's absurd. You literally just made up the good guy comment because you are trying to get around what the showrunner said about him being a teacher. I love how you are claiming Sansa is one of his prizes and acting like I haven't already said that is what she is. It's like you are ignoring completely my point that he is teaching and manipulating her so that she could be a worthy prize for him. To try and transform that into he is a good guy is flat out Special person.
Teachers, by most of those posting on here (except of course you) believe by definition teachers are good guys, thus my straw man argument. It's not absurd, it's a traditionally held view. Now you might want to come in and spin your remyzone bullshit, and that's fine, but you have taken things out of context and tried to school everyone here on what the definition of a teacher really is. Yawn, and more yawn. He isn't teaching her shit, except not to trust him, a lesson that she is painfully starting to learn.
Little fingers plan: send Sansa to the Boltons, conspire with Cersie to let Ramsay and Stannis fight a battle, and then he swoops in and claims the North for himself, giving him both the Vale, and the North. You don't think that is a little dangerous a scenario for Sansa if he gave a flying **** about her? Come on dude, use your head. He used Sansa to weaken the Boltons position, and give him reason to invade the North with the Vale forces, as The Boltons wedding a Stark guaranteed The Lannisters would no longer support them. All the teaching (lol) he did up to that point were to gain her trust, so he could betray her, just like he has done everyone else. he assumed the role as mentor as a ploy, nothing else.
As for the redemption arc, I said you didn't provide proof.
IIRC it is in one the D&D "inside the episode" videos, I don't have time to re-watch them all tonight, maybe later this weekend, if your so insistent, but I did clearly lay out what would be commonly accepted as a redemption arc, and I have gret confidence in how it will play out. Just as I have confidence in things being brought to light in the next few episodes that will show I was right all along, so, let me think; two hours of googling and show watching to try to prove a point, or simply just let things play out the next three weeks and wait for the "I told you so" moment........hmmmm
I provided proof of what the show-runner said that supported my argument. You made some bullshit claim that Funny how I only use that logic to suit my argument and I responded that no one provided any evidence that a show-runner said Jamie was on a redemption arc. Do you have that evidence? If the showrunner didn't explicitly say it then don't try and compare me providing evidence of what the showrunner explicitly said with you trying to tell me what you think the showrunner was trying to do in a given scene. That's disingenuous.
And no when he actually turns his back on his monster of a sister then it would be growth. That's my entire point.
And my point is that such a moment has been foreshadowed and clearly laid out for most of us, you being the exception.
We are seven seasons in and the dude is still wrapped around Cersei's finger even as she's driving their children to suicide and promising other dude's some pussy right in front of him. So he's exactly where he was in season one ie he's Cersei's toyboy and *****.
Not exactly as those things are clearly starting to take its toll on him. And for the record, I don't think Cersei has any intention on living up to her promise to Euron, nor do I think jamies believes he is a significant threat in that way. But honestly that is a moot point.
Any character actually experiencing growth would have killed that crazy ***** a long time ago or at a minimum slapped some fucking sense into her. Instead the dude continues to act like Cersei has the penis. I'm waiting for the scene where Cersei pulls out a big black dildo and fucks him in the ass because she's been doing it figuratively for the whole show. Like at what point do you think any reasonable man would have been like WTF? If I had to guess, I would say most dudes would have abandoned Cersei about 2 dead fucking children ago. The dude is the very definition of the word cuckold.
I don't really disagree with most of this, and yes, D & D are taking the whole "love is blind" thing a bit to far. I am not going to sit her and defend some of the show runners writing, but understand the condensation of multiple characters into one has altered certain story arcs.
On the third book, Jaime is going through a change, affected mainly by Brienne's positive influence and his maiming. Although he enjoys mocking Brienne for her naive perspective, he learns a lot about honor and decency from her, the woman who is the exact opposite of Cersei of all aspects. His conscience finally awakes, and opens his eyes to see the corruption, injustice and wickedness that he was indifferent to: he saves Brienne twice from gang rape, and from death at the bear pit. As a part of the change in Jaime's personality, he severs relationship with the two people who always had negative influence on him - first his father, then Cersei. He has sex with Cersei near Joffrey's body in the Great Sept (clearly presented as consensually in the novels, but poor camerawork in the TV series unintentionally gave the impression it was not - see "Jaime/Cersei sex scene in Breaker of Chains" in the "Season 4" section, above). This turns out to be the last time that Jaime and Cersei have sex, as afterwards they grow increasingly distant, as Jaime becomes gradually more disgusted by Cersei's brazen and self-defeating actions.
After Jaime releases Tyrion, Tyrion is so enraged to hear the truth about Tysha that he tells Jaime "You poor stupid blind crippled fool. Must I spell every little thing out for you? Very well. Cersei is a lying whore, she's been fucking Lancel and Osmund Kettleblack and probably Moon Boy for all I know." Jaime wants to believe Tyrion lied to him, but Tyrion's words are confirmed by what Cersei told Jaime earlier "He's [Tyrion] lied to you a thousand times, and so have I". Throughout the fourth book, he is haunted by doubts.
On the way to Riverrun, Jaime pays a visit to his cousin Lancel at Darry. Lancel, who has become pious and deeply regets his past sins, tells Jaime tearfully the whole truth about his part in Robert's death and that he was Cersei's lover. That confession clears any doubts Jaime had about what Tyrion told him, and enforces his decision to stay away from his sister. Jaime also realizes why the High Septon (the one who preceded the High Sparrow) was killed, and that Cersei is responsible."
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http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Cersei_and_Jaime_Lannister
your "show runners" have steadfastly said that the end game (for the five major characters) will be the same as it is in the books, as jamie clearly has a redemption arc in the books, it makes sense that the show will follow suit, and while they admittedly could have been doing a better job of it, the clues have always been there, and only those oblivious to it would be in denial.
